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What do people hate about Apple?

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1 hour ago, Taja said:

Most Apple buyers are blind, fanboys and/or ignorant - and they fund this company with bad practices and bad philosopy. If Apple was a small brand, like so many luxury brands out there (which every segment of the market has), I would be fine. But that "luxury mainstream" vibe is what gets me.

That's why I think people should buy used models instead of new ones directly from Apple. Of course if you buy used/refurbished ones and you want one that is a more recent model, you'll still need to pay a lot. I think there are a few retailers out there that sell refurbished macbooks or macs in general that are known. Just make sure you get it from a trusted place/source.


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Dongles, lack of ports support and sky high price for what little you get. What else is there? Sure it's an easy to use OS, and has some great apps but that's about all. That and the company is, well I'll just say different. Like not wanting to pay other companies for goods and yet still charging ridiculous prices for their own products. 


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"Hate" is a strong word, i would say Im unhappy with some of their current business practices and how they treat customers, i can appreciate some of their products but they do not suit my needs.


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Let me just say this, I worked for Apple for a few years, I do not under any circumstances, like Apple.  I despise them, to the point that I reverse Hackintosh'ed my Mac into a regular PC at the firmware level (Insyde H20).

 

A couple of the technology I worked on are used by Apple customers now daily.  But Apple by no means, made it easy even for us, it was a major case of "I understand xx year Mac can support this software, but please find a reason to require the newer model, we can't have customers not being repeat customers".  That logic made me quit.


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2 hours ago, Taja said:

Well, you have your reasons. I may not agree with them, and I DONT, but you are well informed to make your own decisions (considering you are in this forum), unlike most apple buyers. As for reliability, I do agree, but its just not worth it. As for build quality... idk, they have lots of compromises. Every notebook has its pros and cons, and I for one dont like the macbooks cons. I'm a desktop guy anyway, so not a lot of opinions there.

 

The reality is that you do have a mac because you LIKE IT. You obviously have money, so why not spend it with stuff you care about? I would never buy a 1Tb m.2 SSD, because it is crazy expensive and does not boots performance for most applications, but people here still buy them like hot cakes, and that is fine. The thing that pisses so many people (like me) is that Apple can do whatever and still get away with it.

Most Apple buyers are blind, fanboys and/or ignorant - and they fund this company with bad practices and bad philosopy. If Apple was a small brand, like so many luxury brands out there (which every segment of the market has), I would be fine. But that "luxury mainstream" vibe is what gets me.

I don’t have any money lol. I’m actually $200 in overdraft and have $33,000 in student debt. It’s just a better machine that will last me longer and be supported for as long as I’m going to use it (5+ years).

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Eh, no it won't.  Let's see, my MacBook Pro, which lived a life on the desk at Apple while still working for them, failed to the following:  Magsafe wire melted, GPU failed, battery buldged and popped out the touchpad.

 

Enjoy the machine though, even WE were getting tired of the quality issues.  ;)


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Their operating system is heavily overhyped.

 

Half of their machines are overpriced and/or outdated, looking at the Mac Pro, Mac Mini, and MacBook Air.

 

At stock, their OS is too dumbed down for most power users.

 

And moving away from widespread ports, towards ports that are either inferior or have no reason to be a replacement instead of a supplement.


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It's sad, the old Mac Pro's weren't bad and quite capable machines.  Mine is a 2008, and after Reverse Hackintosh'ing it back to a regular PC, it's quite the capable machine, and don't get me started on the crippled MacPro 4,1's.  I think the last of the good ones were the 3,1's, which is why I've kept mine for 10 years, going on 11.


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1 hour ago, Inx said:

It's sad, the old Mac Pro's weren't bad and quite capable machines.  Mine is a 2008, and after Reverse Hackintosh'ing it back to a regular PC, it's quite the capable machine, and don't get me started on the crippled MacPro 4,1's.  I think the last of the good ones were the 3,1's, which is why I've kept mine for 10 years, going on 11.

The old Mac Pros have become collectibles. 

 

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All, I need help. I swear there is a LinusTech Tips (or other Linus Sebastion) video where Linus commented that the 2017 Macbook Pro, while running Windows 10 through bootcamp, has issues with running off the power brick. I thought he said that the MBP runs off the battery, rather than the power brick when plugged in. I'm having this issue and the "genius bar" employees claim its a software (windows) issue.

 

Yes, I know. Apple sucks. I know. And yes I know that I should have never bought it in the first place. But I'm hoping to get some information on it so I can fix the issue and at least pretend I have a good laptop that runs windows.  Thanks in advance!

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I must say that originally I used to be an apple hater, but once you look into the non-general use type cases but more like professionals and creators, for the price of the same build quality that they have now, the quick access to applications, the light OS and the just damn good displays, you can't disagree from a professional outlook that apple wins hands down. For the price to what you get now days from apple is supprisingly good. The price lines between apple and other companies has been blurred. Anything other than those who are professionals or creators, apple just throws them under the bus stealing their money for something that won't benifit them at all. 

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Apple's products really suck and their ethos is totally like not cool. They have:

- Opt-In Telemetry

- Based on UNIX, very stable.

- The best and most advanced mobile operating system

- Best Laptop and Mobile design. Simple and minimal. 

- Leading Cloud integration for any application. 

- Syncs across all your devices in a real-time manner

- Runs Minecraft better than Windows (oof)

- An App Store that isn't garbage. 

- An interface that doesn't take 4 cores and 4GB of RAM to look smooth (on mobile devices)

- iTunes on Mac is much, much better than PC.

- FaceTime is more integration, as is calling and texting. 

- Everything is much more convenient. 

- Better memory management. 

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I grew up around Apple products and I think that they have some amazing products and have good innovation. The build quality and design Ethos of the company is magnificent, They're OS (both for the phones and the laptops) is super easy to use and just works without much of a hitch. Even thought they are a little pricey, I personally think it is worth it. Furthermore I have had experience with both MacOS and windows and but I must say MacOS is so much prettier and easier to use and there is little to no hassle on the users end. On the other hand, they really limit the ability of external parties to do things on an Apple computer, for example; As Rossman said, Apple policy on repairs to macs is super tight and makes it so that going to the apple store is the more efficient way to go. The Warranty and the BS apple care thing is quite a scam as we always end up paying for something if it breaks anyway. These tactics allow for Apple to rake in the sweet sweet cash money from the consumer's misfortune.

 

In conclusion, Apple has great innovation which really shape the way Technology develops (smart phones, the absence of optical disk drives and now the move to make everything wireless), but they really need to work on their outward appearance to the public. Although, the PC's community unreasonable hate for Apple is usually jumping on the band wagon instead of their opinions being backed by facts and experience 

 

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All right, let's start why I hate this company:

  • Their products are expensive and overrated. With their prices they in short say: "You should buy our products with such price because we are much better and than any other company in the world, we are revolutionary company and you can't get anything near like our products" which we all know isn't truth, but people still get deceived.
  • I hate this brand because of their fanbase which more like they act like a cult. To not go far away, I'll give one clear example: Few weeks ago I told my sister that after reading reviews of comparing smartphone cameras seems like Huawei P20 had better photos than Iphone and I think it was great phone. Her answer: "There is only one great phone and it's called Iphone! Nothing is best than Iphone." And I'm pretty sure you all have people like her around you among friends, family, coworkers... They are all like fanatics. They buy Iphone because it's Iphone. It's like a Status. And they don't even change ringtone (oh God how I hate that apple ringtone), so everyone around them knows that they have Iphone. These people make me to hate Apple company even more.
  • I don't like Apple's closed ecosystem by making their products "incompatible" with third party brands.
  • You can't upgrade and customize your Apple computer as your desktop PC & yet you pay twice or tripe more for that.
  • You can't even game normally with your "expensive luxury" Apple, because there ain't much games for their OS.
  • I hated like Steve Jobs.
  • I don't like their products design, mostly with their same boring white color.

Of course they have their pros too, like better security and etc, but by above reasons & their politics I hate that company and will never buy anything from them.

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On 27.8.2018 at 6:08 AM, SamBkamp said:

Apple has great innovation which really shape the way Technology develops

No, they're popular to the oblivious customer. What they try to set is not innovation, but a trend. And the trend is not necessarily the best way to go.

Here's why I hate apple; copy/pasting from my comment from another post

Anti-consumer policies: 
1. Basically always releasing their product with an inherent flaw. Anyway here's how the cycle goes, every single time: 
- Apple releases product with inherent flaw
- People complain about said flaw
- Apple denies the existence of said flaw and brushes the complains away
- A class-action law-suit is made against Apple because of said faulty design
- 4 years after, the case settles and Apple accepts to release a warranty (that repairs the faulty design for free, or at a reduced cost)
- That warranty will repair all phone purchases 3 years prior to the case's settlement; So people who bought the product on release don't get a right to get it repaired.
- Since everyone had already forgotten about the design flaw, Apple does not learn.
- Because Apple doesn't learn and people keep buying their crap, they keep releasing their products with the same flaws as 4 years ago.

That's how it happened for the Iphone 4 losing reception "when holding it wrong", Iphone 6 & 7 Bendgate, the faulty butterfly keyboard on the Macbooks and many many many other previous products and for many products to come, I bet.

2. Their absolutely toxic relationship with the AASPs ("Apple Authorized Service Provider") based on the culture of fear. 
- AASPs are shops that are officially affiliated with Apple that sell & service Apple products
- Those AASPs pay horrendous amount of money to get the certifications, to get the "training" and the machinery (e.g Horizon Machine) to service Apple products officially.
- They are extremely restricted in what they can do for you

Example of screen repairs:
If your screen is broken and you want to get it repaired in an AASP, it will take several days for them to replace it. Most people can't do without a phone for several days. By contrast, a 3rd party repair-shop like the Rossman Group or iDoctor (in my region) will replace your screen in 30mins to 2hours.
- Why is that? Because AASPs are not allowed to own spare Iphone screens. Apple wants them to send in your broken screen first, then when Evilcorp - sorry, I mean Apple gets the screen; only then will they send a new Apple Phone screen - ONLY THEN can the AASP start working on your phone. That's why it takes so long
- If the AASPs do not comply to such dumb, restrictive and inefficient rules - they risk to get all their certifications (for which they worked so hard and paid so much) revoked by Apple and they'll be basically out of business (if they don't manage to convert to a 3rd party repair shop)


3. Lobbying/Corrupting the Government in order to prevent the better service by the competition
- Who is the competition? 3rd Party repair shops that don't need to comply to the stupid Evilcorp/Apple rules
- Why do they do that? Apple does not want any parts/components of their product on the market, they wanna have control over all the circulating spare parts in order to monopolize the "Customer (not really-) Service" so they can charge you too much for a repair and thereby encourage you to buy new stuff. Which has huge environmental repercussions, but that's another discussion...
- How do they do it? For example; they corrupted the US customs into seizing incoming packages from China containing refurbished Apple Screen phones that were ordered by a 3rd Party repair shop. OR they just try to sue every 3rd Party repair-shop for "copyright infringement" which doesn't make any sense since the 3rd Party shops aren't infringing anything. They just use refurbished authentic Apple screens (so no fake screens with an Apple logo on it) on which they do not claim to be the creator off (didn't put their brand on a product that isn't their's, and why would they? People want genuine Apple screens)

There is just so much wrong with this company but somehow they still manage to convince the innocent consumer, that they're the best and that's why they're so expensive.
Reality is: It's a bad company, with bad overpriced products for which they do not or poorly provide any service at all. 


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On 8/6/2018 at 11:59 PM, CallOfSnowgolem. said:

I say all of this knowing that not ALL people hate apple but it is a very common trait among our community

 

I find it really annoying when people say they are anti-apple for the most BS reasons like if you can't give an actual reason to be anti-apple, then don't, they aren't this evil company that wants the downfall of everyone, they make some amazing products, and have done some amazing innovation (they did make the smartphone), and I'm not an apple fanboy, far from it. I carry a pixel 2 and think it is many times better than any iPhone, but that's my personal taste,  I say all of this because of this  that I find apple fanboys annoying af also, I think what Louis Rossman said that when an apple fanboy says they are the problem and Apple isn't is also very annoying, but I am saying all of this because I got some much hate for saying on another forum page that I really wanted a MacBook Pro. I say all of this out of love, I love the computer building community, we are some of the most  passionate communities, but from the outside we look like a bunch of assholes, bc it seems like we hate almost every other community other than ours, for example, Apple, counsels, non-android, people who buy pre-built systems. I want this community to grow, but it just doesn't look very appealing from the outside. Sorry if this seems really hateful, I just wanted to address this. so Thanks for reading!   

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Such an original idea for a topic... 5 minutes of research before posting couldn't have hurt. Every time there's a topic like this, people go on for dozens of pages repeating the same things as always and getting nowhere. The reality of it is that the question itself is framed in the wrong way - everyone has their own reasons to like or dislike Apple and/or their products. Sure, some people are just on one side or the other without a real reason other than fitting in with their social circle or, vice versa, to stand out - do we really need a topic to discuss that? What is there even to discuss? Whose mind are you going to change?

 

Sorry if I'm late to the party, I hadn't noticed this until now...

 

Either way, while I'm here I might as well give my own answer on what I think of Apple and their products:

Apple is a greedy and morally bankrupt company that sells heavily overpriced hardware, profits off of slavery, rushes their products to market without proper testing and blames the customer when something goes wrong due to THEIR bad design. All this while claiming to be innovative and selling their products as luxury items. They sometimes have the odd product that I consider acceptable and reasonably priced, but it's the rare exception rather than the rule. That is my opinion and I'm not speaking for anyone else.


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The only things I like are the Mac Books, that too, I feel are bloated, I can't say if they are cause I haven't used any, but I think they are okay, Nothing too great, nothing too bad.

The only reason apple gets hate is because it's huge, other companies do the almost things, but they slip unnoticed. We can debate on particular products but not the whole company.

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To put it bluntly I don't feel like they value their customers. I think OS lock in and iOS being more important has led them to just take Mac customers for granted.

 

I see this in how they do not support their products, routinely denying issues, like with the terrible butterfly keyboards failing, and then them adding a dust filter with the next generation, but won't fess up the reason was to fix the dust breaking the keyboard. 

 

I also see it in the lack of options in the Mac space. Mac Mini abandoned for years. Mac Pro abandoned for years. MacBook Pro reduced to a machine no longer really suitable for pro work. As the LTT video pointed out, you can't even trust in being able to recover your data if your logic board goes out. In a pro machine. That's insane!

 

Then you have the pricing. Why does the entry level MacBook Pro cost $2400 to get a 15 inch? To move up 2 inches in display size your base cost increases by $1100. And even then, that $15 inch is so underspec'd compared to PC makers products. 1/2 the ram, 1/4 the storage of a Dell XPS15. 

 

Limited options, all overpriced. 

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I can't get used to the software, I don't like the design focusing only on aesthetics  and they're too expensive and too incompatible for my taste 

 

I don't hate Apple, I'm just not their target market. I want to be able to take my things apart and run whatever I want on them. 


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On 2018-08-25 at 12:34 AM, RorzNZ said:

Apple's products really suck and their ethos is totally like not cool. They have:

- Opt-In Telemetry

- Based on UNIX, very stable.

- The best and most advanced mobile operating system

- Best Laptop and Mobile design. Simple and minimal. 

- Leading Cloud integration for any application. 

- Syncs across all your devices in a real-time manner

- Runs Minecraft better than Windows (oof)

- An App Store that isn't garbage. 

- An interface that doesn't take 4 cores and 4GB of RAM to look smooth (on mobile devices)

- iTunes on Mac is much, much better than PC.

- FaceTime is more integration, as is calling and texting. 

- Everything is much more convenient. 

- Better memory management. 

The laptop design is very questionable from a business/power user perspective. These MacBooks are just too thin for their own good. So they lack effective cooling, ports and comfortable keyboards. And the person who thought that replacing function keys for a touch bar is an idiot. 

 

But I do agree that iOS is awesome. And Apple should be praised for their long support. I can’t believe that other smartphone companies are getting away with supporting their devices for only 2 years. 

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31 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

The laptop design is very questionable from a business/power user perspective. These MacBooks are just too thin for their own good. So they lack effective cooling, ports and comfortable keyboards. And the person who thought that replacing function keys for a touch bar is an idiot. 

 

But I do agree that iOS is awesome. And Apple should be praised for their long support. I can’t believe that other smartphone companies are getting away with supporting their devices for only 2 years. 

The touchbar is actually pretty nice. I get a lot more done with it.

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Apple locks you into its ecosystem with overpriced, overrated, un-repairable products that use invasive programs and OS. 

 

The legion of idiots who swear by the idiotic "expensive brand = quality" is just a cherry on top. 

 

EDIT: I used an ipod mp3 player for some years, and an iphone 4 for about a year. This is what I personally hated about it and why I'll never buy another one:

 

- can't access my files on it the way I can access them on android

- have to access my files via the horrible itunes program that decides what files I can and can't copy to my phone and is annoying to use

- itunes actually hijacks my computer virus-style and actually tries to prevent me from doing stuff like downloading torrents

- iOS is rigid and nowhere near as customizable as android

- itunes is godawful

 

To top it all off, the iPhone 4 wasn't actually any better or faster than equivalent android phones as far as I could tell. I think maybe it was a bit more stable? Not that android is unstable, from my experience, unless you're using a really really really crappy one. 


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I'm a long time apple user before even apple was popular, and I want to talk about several things about Apple company. Apple was one of the best companies the offer excellent reliable laptop. I used to have most of the Macbooks Pro's and iMacs along with several other products. The experience of using OSX at the time was really enjoyable and I really enjoyed. All of the sudden Apple started to be obsessed with Thinner and lighter which is a good thing to get me wrong but it's not a good thing one you sacrifice ports, performance, and keyboard quality. I was waiting for the new MacBook's Pro's to be released just to buy one, when I saw the event I didn't like what I was seeing but I told myself to give them a chance maybe it's not that bad after getting used to it, so I bought the device and it was the worst experience of my life the OSX is changed a lot that's it's more like an IOS, I was promoted with all the stupid features about linking my iPhone with the laptop and getting everything synced, and the big problem that people are promoting this as an excellent feature and that the Apple eco-system is unbeatable which is not true I prefer to separate my Computer and my iPhone I don't want them to be linked and I don't care about linking them. The other issue that I was facing with the new devices are the lake of ports, you never know when you are going to need a USB or an Ethernet or any other useful port. The fact that I need to get over-priced adapters and keep taking them with me is not acceptable and it's a hassle. Now to talk about the biggest issue that I faced with the Apple MacBook Pro's is the keyboard, it's really one of the worst experience in my life I just couldn't type anything I tried to adapt to the keyboard over 3 months and I couldn't type comfortably it's really has the worst keyboard on the planet. I couldn't deal with all of this so I got another laptop with a better keyboard and forced my self to use Windows 10 and now I'm much happier. I hope Apple stop this and try to care about consumers.


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