[AMD @ Computex] "So Far Ahead Of Its Time That We're Launching It At The Edge Of Space"

[Fetzie]

I don't really see the point of a more powerful APU if we don't have DDR4 deployment across the board. Even the previous generation APUs are all so obviously bottlenecked by the data throughput rate of DDR3 memory (with performance increasing almost linearly when you increase the speed of the RAM).

 

Of course, the "ahead of its time" may well refer to DDR4 memory, but that is going to be well out of the price-range of somebody that can't afford a dedicated GPU for at least a year after its adoption in consumer products.

[Accursed Entity]

Sigh...

Let's be honest, none of us were excited anyways. Plain and simple marketing for the hype, maybe I'm getting "old" but I don't get "hyped" by these marketing ads anymore. 

[Kobz360]

OMG THEY CHANGED THE SOURCE CODE TO "Don't be so impatient" TROLLS I TELL YOU! Hahahahaha :')

[Victorious Secret]

AMD really draws wood over APUs whereas Intel just shoves in whatever integrated solution they don't give a shit about and fully expect anyone serious about gaming to already blow 150-250 on a card.

I trust Intels mentality a lot more.

Who the hell actually halfway games and makes use of a APU. Honestly. All or none.

[StingBull]

A graphics card so overpowered that you will need the infinite coldness of space to cool it.

[yourma2000]

R9 290X based on GlobalFoundries improved silicon current leakage reduction + High Bandwidth Memory?

[Dylan522p]

unlikely they are apparently on 14nm finFet which isnt ready yet

"14nm" is actually just 20nm with FinFets.

[yourma2000]

It could be early demos of the Excavator based Carrizo APU with quad channel DDR4, I'm not sure what they can do with the Kaveri chip now to improve it to the point of being called "AMDs most advanced APU ever". If it's just the mobile APUs then that's pretty lame and misleading of AMD but I'm hoping it could be actual desktop FX APUs (hence the FX logo in one of the thumbnail images pulled from the site). AMD could be bring HSA to the performance market for AMD users.

[Ren]

AMD really draws wood over APUs whereas Intel just shoves in whatever integrated solution they don't give a shit about and fully expect anyone serious about gaming to already blow 150-250 on a card.

I trust Intels mentality a lot more.

Who the hell actually halfway games and makes use of a APU. Honestly. All or none.

I'm assuming it's going to be an APU with R9 graphics and not R7. The reason why they had R7 250/260X compatibility with the Kaveris is because of the limits of their HSA shit.

To give people a clearer view of what I mean, this is what I expect:

- Mid-high range AMD performance - not comparable to Intel - on the CPU side. This can be summed up to be a rehashed Kaveri release; dissapointment incoming.

- R9 graphics cores in the processor with HSA/Mantle/dual-graphics compatibilities. The questions that arise because of this are what type of graphics cores they'd be, the clock rate of the cores, the number of cores, etc.. What exactly can they fit into a 28nm design..?

- Possibility of Tonga debut. This is even worse than Kaveri in some ways because Tonga, despite being rumored by really ignorant tech sites and people spreading said rumors, will likely not be the successor to Pitcairn nor Tahiti GPU architectures. The oldest atm is Cape Verde and Bonaire, R7 250/260 GPUs, or the HD 7700s. You can expect Tonga to be an R9 250/260, not an R9 275X.

There's a lot of stuff here that sounds pretty bad but we can look at it more positively and see a different outcome with the debut. What if it's an A12-8600k, with 6 CPU cores, 12 GPU cores from an R9 270 (or the R9/R10 260 - which would be close to R9 270 performance), 4MB L2 and 6MB L3 caches? 4.3ghz effective clock rate?

That is an insane APU, borderline competitive with Intel's unlocked CPUs regardless of how you look at it. And then the integrated graphics would be enough to handle 1080p quite well on high. There's a lot of value in a CPU like that even if it sat at ~$280-$340 launch price. Also, consider the fact that even if it isn't quite that fast and lacks a solid L2/L3 cache just like Kaveri, it will still be able to dual graphics with a solid midrange GPU that I can guarantee will have Mantle/DX12 support.

If you go 50/50 with the good and bad, but assume they realize how terribly priced Kaveri is, it's a compelling APU.

I'm not quite ready to say I'm excited, but I'm hopeful. If they screw this up though, it's the last time I hype an AMD processor.

[ItsComrade]

I hope it's Space Core.

 

I need this in my life...

[AllstaRawR]

do u think this will be their equivalent of the GPU 780ti?

 

I'd be thrilled. NVidia is making me annoyed with their LACK OF SUPPORT FOR DAISYCHAINED U2414H's.

 

Stupid DP thinking it's a TV signal. DP doesn't even EXIST as a TV signal!!!

 

/endrant

[Opcode]

I am still laying my cards on mobile Kaveri. There are also three new desktop Kaveri SKU's to be released including one unlocked dual core (A6-7400k). The mobile APU's from AMD are already looking very impressive. The FX-7600P comes clocked in at 2.7 GHz with a 3.6 GHz turbo, R7 Radeon Graphics (GCN) at 600 MHz with a 686 MHz boost clock, all coupled with native DDR3-2133 MHz support. So we are talking about a laptop APU that could offer near performance to a desktop A10-7700k in gaming. That is pretty impressive if AMD prices these just right. This could be a big step forward for budget gaming laptops while not forgetting it also brings HSA capabilities into the mobile market.

[Altecice]

It will be an APU as in the Main.js file had shown it was an APU. They have since removed the line of code though.

[Misanthrope]

I'm assuming it's going to be an APU with R9 graphics and not R7. The reason why they had R7 250/260X compatibility with the Kaveris is because of the limits of their HSA shit.

To give people a clearer view of what I mean, this is what I expect:

- Mid-high range AMD performance - not comparable to Intel - on the CPU side. This can be summed up to be a rehashed Kaveri release; dissapointment incoming.

- R9 graphics cores in the processor with HSA/Mantle/dual-graphics compatibilities. The questions that arise because of this are what type of graphics cores they'd be, the clock rate of the cores, the number of cores, etc.. What exactly can they fit into a 28nm design..?

- Possibility of Tonga debut. This is even worse than Kaveri in some ways because Tonga, despite being rumored by really ignorant tech sites and people spreading said rumors, will likely not be the successor to Pitcairn nor Tahiti GPU architectures. The oldest atm is Cape Verde and Bonaire, R7 250/260 GPUs, or the HD 7700s. You can expect Tonga to be an R9 250/260, not an R9 275X.

There's a lot of stuff here that sounds pretty bad but we can look at it more positively and see a different outcome with the debut. What if it's an A12-8600k, with 6 CPU cores, 12 GPU cores from an R9 270 (or the R9/R10 260 - which would be close to R9 270 performance), 4MB L2 and 6MB L3 caches? 4.3ghz effective clock rate?

That is an insane APU, borderline competitive with Intel's unlocked CPUs regardless of how you look at it. And then the integrated graphics would be enough to handle 1080p quite well on high. There's a lot of value in a CPU like that even if it sat at ~$280-$340 launch price. Also, consider the fact that even if it isn't quite that fast and lacks a solid L2/L3 cache just like Kaveri, it will still be able to dual graphics with a solid midrange GPU that I can guarantee will have Mantle/DX12 support.

If you go 50/50 with the good and bad, but assume they realize how terribly priced Kaveri is, it's a compelling APU.

I'm not quite ready to say I'm excited, but I'm hopeful. If they screw this up though, it's the last time I hype an AMD processor.

 

That's actually damn interesting: a 260 can go toe to toe with a 750ti. Even if the performance isn't as powerful it's still getting damn close to 1080p gaming on an integrated chip, I would definitely build a system around that.

[Vitalius]

Do you guys not realize the potential of an APU? 

Off-loading certain calculations to the APU could potentially give you an FPS boost. That is the hope I imagine. Obviously that means jack-diddly until AMD actually implements something to do it, and who knows when/if that will ever happen.

I'm just saying, theoretically, it could be meaningful to have an APU over a CPU, if done right. 

[Sauron]

Hopefully it's that x86 powerhouse Logan was speculating on.

[juretrn]

Oh silly AMD, always three step behind Nvidia...

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Is that a 480? Nice joke.

[MeltyMoon]

My inner fanboy is throwing a huge rave as the timer counts down

[IPCharger]

[Spongy141]

Please be something good, no more mobile crap, I want more power!

[SkilledRebuilds]

AMD over time prove themselves time and time again that they love working with: More performance x Less Power used

Their APU's have scaled pretty well in the low end markets.

 

I doubt myself this is their new powerhouse, probably some unexpected performance per watt product.

[The Crazed Child]

I think it's a desktop APU that will have lots of eDRAM cache on it like Iris Pro.

[Kamina]

If it's ahead of its time it's probably an APU with HSA support.

[pixeldensity]

Personally i think it's a APU too.

[Eroda]

yeah i wouldnt be getting my hopes up for kellers new x86 arch thats late 2015 early 2016 at earliest