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64-Bit Smartphones Coming By Christmas

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ARM's VP of corporate strategy, Tom Lantzsch, says that 64-bit Smartphones are coming by Christmas. Device makers have shown a lot of interest in 64-bit, more so than the company had anticipated, particularly to the low-power ARM Cortex A53 CPU core.

 

According to Lantzsch, partners will be ready with a plethora of 64-bit Smartphones by Christmas this year. Together with 64-bit software, which would help unlock the maximum performance of these upcoming devices, the Smartphone industry has never been more happening and exciting.

 

"We've been surprised at the pace that 64-bit is now becoming mobile centric. Qualcomm, MediaTek, and Marvell are examples of public 64-bit disclosures. Even existing 32-bit code will run more efficiently on [the] v8-A architecture than on native 32-bit ARM architecture"

 

 

http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/8419/64-bit-smartphones-coming-by-christmas-arm-exec.html

 

i always thought 64 bit on phones was stupid but it seems that the new arm v8 runs 32bit software more efficiently


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What's the difference?

More money for phone manufacturers because "Hey,this is 64 bit!You gonna pay more money for it".Also some small performance improvements,but it will take a while for the phone market to really make use of the 64 bit architecture.


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More money for phone manufacturers because "Hey,this is 64 bit!You gonna pay more money for it".Also some small performance improvements,but it will take a while for the phone market to really make use of the 64 bit architecture.

 

no it doesn't necessarily. this is a good thing. that means 64 will come in at current top prices, and 32 will drop.


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no it doesn't necessarily. this is a good thing. that means 64 will come in at current top prices, and 32 will drop.

or they'd be like, Fuck you consumers, £200 more. although the Oppo OnePlus One could push others to use this as a reason for charging less for 32 bit

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no it doesn't necessarily. this is a good thing. that means 64 will come in at current top prices, and 32 will drop.

Most people buying phones don't know what the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit is, so they'll probably get away with just charging higher for 64 bit and keep it the same for 32 bit. People that don't know what it means will probably buy them anyway, because bigger numbers are better. 

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32 more bits... and a brand new instruction set.

 

What that translates to a very big performance increase. Just switching to ARMv8 alone will give us a ~20% performance increase (and in certain situations like some crypto things we will see an 800% performance increase).

The move to 64bit ARM processors will be a big leap. Not just "wow more RAM!" like a lot of people think.

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It's time to stop the bullshit and develop a cheap NAND with proper speeds for phones because this is the actual bottleneck!


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Great, then phones will have 8gb of ram and still lag.


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I don't see the point for 64 bit consumer phones. Can I make phone calls with a 32 bit phone? Can i surf the web and watch video while I'm waiting at the doctors office or at the airport? Cell phone or smart phone proliferation has gotten completely out of control. Too the point where cell phone manufactures are using more gimmicks sell their products.


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It's time to stop the bullshit and develop a cheap NAND with proper speeds for phones because this is the actual bottleneck!

We already have that. It's just that manufacturers doesn't care.

SanDisk for example has an eMMC solution for phones which does 6K IOPS random read, 3K IOPS random write, 300MB/s sequential read and 80MB sequential writes. Available in up to 64GB capacity.

It probably doesn't even cost that much either. It's probably like 40 dollars for the 64GB version and 30 dollars for the 32GB version.

Not sure about you, but I would definitely pay 40 dollars extra (which means the manufacturer makes ~10 dollars from the NAND alone) for a 64GB model of a smartphone that high performance NAND.

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So yeah... this didn't come out like over a year ago with the iPhone 5s 

 

Anand did an interesting article showing the improvements of this over 32bit

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4


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Apple's had one for nearly a year.

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More bits means better. DON'T QUESTION THIS LOGIC, PEASANT!


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I don't see the point for 64 bit consumer phones. Can I make phone calls with a 32 bit phone? Can i surf the web and watch video while I'm waiting at the doctors office or at the airport? Cell phone or smart phone proliferation has gotten completely out of control. Too the point where cell phone manufactures are using more gimmicks sell their products.

People said the same thing about desktop CPUs. "baww it's gotten out of hand, who actually needs a 1GHz CPU on their desktop and over 128MB of RAM?".

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no it doesn't necessarily. this is a good thing. that means 64 will come in at current top prices, and 32 will drop.

I think currently most phones use a 58 bit processor

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Awesome. Support for more RAM usage.


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People said the same thing about desktop CPUs. "baww it's gotten out of hand, who actually needs a 1GHz CPU on their desktop and over 128MB of RAM?".

From a end user standpoint. I can't see a lot of benefits here with this new tech. Also I'm not against moving tech forward on a mobile scale. But at this point where wireless speed are slow. Having more processing power is a moot point. Mobile or small form factor devices are heavily dependent on wireless speeds. The mobile space as it stands now lacks innovation. The avg consumer don't really care are specs when it comes to smartphones. 


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From a end user standpoint. I can't see a lot of benefits here with this new tech. Also I'm not against moving tech forward on a mobile scale. But at this point where wireless speed are slow. Having more processing power is a moot point. Mobile or small form factor devices are heavily dependent on wireless speeds. The mobile space as it stands now lacks innovation. The avg consumer don't really care are specs when it comes to smartphones. 

How is a big performance increase not beneficial? Everything simply gets faster. Loading web pages, it can save power (race to idle) so you get longer battery life, apps start faster, apps obviously performs better, etc.

The average consumer might not care about the CPU that's in the phone, but they still benefit from it.

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Mobile hardware becoming more and more powerful makes it that much more certain that they'll replace consumer-grade desktops for the vast majority of users. Plug your phone into a dock and get the full desktop experience. 

 

Regardless of how we might feel about the enthusiast-desktop not disappearing for a long time to come, the majority of consumers aren't us. The majority doesn't need what we need; all they need is a small, portable device which will cover all of their needs, and with the potential to be a desktop device should they desire to use it that way. 


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-cough- iPhone 5s -cough-

 

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The difference is that Apple's A7 64-bit chip, a 1.3GHz dual-core SoC can compete with the high-end Snapdragon 800 32-bit chip, running at 2Ghz (average) and being quad-core.

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What's the difference?

 

I will let this nice Atari sponsored teacher explain:

 

 

In all seriousness though, only a few years back we started to use 64bit OSes to take advantage of more than 3gb of ram (though on the servers side this goes a lot further back) Apparently it has been (arbitrarily) decided that 32 bit it's too slow for mobile apps and games that still look like fucking flash games and thus, we need to upgrade the architecture. What will it do? Well it will support a lot more Samsung fucking bloatware! Never again must you settle for the slick and elegant stock android look, now you can add so much more thacky shit on top to make the experience all around worst with capabilities for 4gb of ram and beyond! 


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I need my 32 gigs of ram for my 50 chrome tabs!! gimmme


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