New 5950x vs. TR 3960x?

[B.Rms]

I'm wondering if the new Ryzen 9 5950x will be a better deal (price vs. performance) against an entry Threadripper 3960x.

 

Judging by the price difference between those two, and the gains in performance they announced today for the Ryzen 9 series, I'm wondering if the TR justifies the extra cash for a content creator (mostly DaVinci Resolve, no 3D work, some gaming). Ideas?

[DailyProcrastinator]

Welcome to the forum!

 

1 minute ago, B.Rms said:

I'm wondering if the new Ryzen 9 5950x will be a better deal (price vs. performance) against an entry Threadripper 3960x.

 

Judging by the price difference between those two, and the gains in performance they announced today for the Ryzen 9 series, I'm wondering if the TR justifies the extra cash for a content creator (mostly DaVinci Resolve, no 3D work, some gaming). Ideas?

As always we do not have more info than you do. Wait for reviews for a definitive answer. Everything right now is mostly guess work. 

[Bad5ector]

Jesus, like clockwork whenever a company anounces new product that hasn't yet hit reviewers / retail someone immediately creates an account and asks if unreleased product will be better than such and such current product.

 

LET ME GET MY CRYSTAL BALL AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

[Shimejii]

THey are very different usecases. PCIE Lanes, Platform, Ram etc. Obviously the consumer chip is a better deal generally, but it all depends on what you need to do

[Zando_]

One is a 24c/48t HEDT chip with quad channel RAM and oodles of PCIe lanes and bandwidth. 

3950X is a 16c/32t mainstream chip with dual channel RAM and chopped down PCIe lanes. 

If you're doing core and RAM bandwidth heavy workloads and/or running a shitload of PCIe cards, TR is for you. If not, the 3950X is the better choice. 

 

[B.Rms]

2 minutes ago, Bad5ector said:

Jesus, like clockwork whenever a company anounces new product that hasn't yet hit reviewers / retail someone immediately creates an account and asks if unreleased product will be better than such and such current product.

 

LET ME GET MY CRYSTAL BALL AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

I've been following the forum for a while, I just never needed to post anything. So that explains the new account. I also didn't expect a concrete answer, I expected people with more knowledge and experience than me to make an educated guess based on logic. But there's always someone who will find absolutely anything they can to complain and put others down. Congratulations! You're that guy.

 

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

One is a 24c/48t HEDT chip with quad channel RAM and oodles of PCIe lanes and bandwidth. 

3950X is a 16c/32t mainstream chip with dual channel RAM and chopped down PCIe lanes. 

If you're doing core and RAM bandwidth heavy workloads and/or running a shitload of PCIe cards, TR is for you. If not, the 3950X is the better choice. 

 

Thank you for actually reacting with something useful and to the point regarding what I was looking for. I was just afraid that this was one of those cases where the new, cheaper CPU will pretty much kill the expensive, fancy one (like for example an RTX3080 matching a Titan for much less cash). So I assume that's not the case for AMD now?

[Bad5ector]

1 minute ago, B.Rms said:

Congratulations! You're that guy.

I guess I am... I only have been seeing folks posting similar things all night. If you're content creator, then the obvious choice would be TR for the above reasons. PCIE lanes, Quad Channel RAM, etc. 

 

If you are expecting any of us to magically know how it will perform in any of the software you listed then no, we will not know anymore than you. And I think you knew that. 

[.Apex.]

10 minutes ago, B.Rms said:

I've been following the forum for a while, I just never needed to post anything. So that explains the new account. I also didn't expect a concrete answer, I expected people with more knowledge and experience than me to make an educated guess based on logic. But there's always someone who will find absolutely anything they can to complain and put others down. Congratulations! You're that guy.

The thing about guess work is that it could be completely wrong leaving you with not much more than what you started with which makes it a moot point, though other than the definitive answers like having more PCIe lanes and having the capability to support more RAM, then there's not much to guess for the performance in those specific applications you are looking for, it's completely unknown how they'd compare, all we know that it's better than previous Gen according to the charts AMD have shown but not how the application would perform in the real world, the CPU is only a month away if you were already planning to wait for it then you'd get much better info at that time rather than clogging the forum with the same questions that no one has an answer to which is why people find it irritating

[Zando_]

Just now, B.Rms said:

Thank you for actually reacting with something useful and to the point regarding what I was looking for. I was just afraid that this was one of those cases where the new, cheaper CPU will pretty much kill the expensive, fancy one (like for example an RTX3080 matching a Titan for much less cash). So I assume that's not the case for AMD now?

Not at all, they're entirely different tiers of product. A pickup truck vs a semi. A lot of prosumers have 3900X/3950Xs and will probably get a 5950X since they don't have to pay the HEDT price for the core counts they need, but anyone with a workload that needs HEDT (usually super core-heavy stuff, things that need massive amounts of RAM or huge RAM bandwidth, anything with loads of PCIe cards) or just enjoys it, will still buy it. 

I assume there'll be Zen 3 TR chips in a bit as well, but Zen 3 doesn't look to have a large enough margin over Zen 2 make an 8c/16t advantage useless. 

 

4 minutes ago, B.Rms said:

I've been following the forum for a while, I just never needed to post anything. So that explains the new account. I also didn't expect a concrete answer, I expected people with more knowledge and experience than me to make an educated guess based on logic. But there's always someone who will find absolutely anything they can to complain and put others down. Congratulations! You're that guy.

It's mainly a ree because tons of people ask for direct benchmarks of similar CPUs, I just saw a guy asking about a 10700K (a fully released and benchmarked chip) vs the new Ryzens (chips that just got released and have no 3rd party benches out). 

 

So less anger at your specific question, just it falls under the idiot questions at first glance. For the specific question you asked, we know that no matter what the 5950X will be faster than the 3950X, and for most pros the $50 MSRP difference isn't noticeable at all. So you can pretty solidly extrapolate out from there to form a reasonable conclusion. Comparing it to a TR chip in this specific case is pretty fair given there's some heavy crossover between the top end of mainstream and the low end (hah, as if a 24c monster is low end) of HEDT. 

[B.Rms]

3 minutes ago, Bad5ector said:

And I think you knew that. 

Obviously I knew that. You did read the words "make an educated guess"?

 

4 minutes ago, Bad5ector said:

the obvious choice would be TR for the above reasons. PCIE lanes, Quad Channel RAM, etc. 

I know what the TR does for content creators. As you can see in my reply to Zando Bob, I'm not asking about TR vs Ryzen. I'm asking about what the new CPU's might look like next to the current TR ones. And no, I don't expect you to KNOW this right now. That's why I said "ideas?" instead of "facts?". I'll make sure to add a 25 line disclaimer next time I post something that might upset you. Sorry about that.

[B.Rms]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

So less anger at your specific question, just it falls under the idiot questions at first glance

Then I'm glad you took a second glance  Thanks for the insights though. You make good points.