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Posted · Original PosterOP

So, I have recently made and upgrade from a 1060 to a 2070 super. This was because I dont have enough money for a 3080 or 3070 but managed to get a really good deal on a 2070 super second hand. The issue is that I have an i5 7600k. Paired with a H170 chipset. Again, got a decent second hand deal. Been running an i5-6500 for years but cost me 30€ to upgrade to a 7600k. The 7600k to no suprise is a massive bottleneck in most games. Eventho it's single core rating is quite good. So im really looking to boost it's performance.
The issue I have found is the following.
The processor: i5 7600k 3.8 base 4.2 boost, is constantly running at 3997mHz or something around there. In that state it reports 40 watts of power usage. And since it's water cooled only stays on about 50C. I was wondering why it doesn't go any higher. Since I assume there is more performance to be had. 

 

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Motherboard Asrock H170 Pro4 hyper.

Temps usage and clocks measured with HWmonitor.

Stress tested with: Aida 64, p95, Rainbow 6 siege, Counter strike.

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1 minute ago, Allard said:

The processor: i5 7600k 3.8 base 4.2 boost, is constantly running at 3997mHz or something around there. In that state it reports 40 watts of power usage. And since it's water cooled only stays on about 50C. I was wondering why it doesn't go any higher. Since I assume there is more performance to be had. 

As Intel says:

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Max turbo frequency is the maximum single core frequency at which the processor is capable of operating using Intel® Turbo Boost Technology and, if present, Intel® Thermal Velocity Boost.

If you are using more than one core, it can't reach that 4.2Ghz and has to default to its "all core" boost, which I would assume that (almost) 4Ghz is.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Ah oke, that sounds logical. Would you have any idea why it's only using 40 watts tho under 100% load?

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1 minute ago, Allard said:

Ah oke, that sounds logical. Would you have any idea why it's only using 40 watts tho under 100% load?

The opwer usage depends on load, and games foften aren't hte most power usage of loads.

 

THat number seems right.

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Base clock is what it will hit if turbo is disabled and Intel guarantees that it can maintain TDP at that clock speed. Turbo is how high it can go with TDP ignored. Note that max turbo limit depends on usage, you only get that 4.2GHz peak when the CPU is barely used and 4GHz is the all core turbo


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

The opwer usage depends on load, and games foften aren't hte most power usage of loads.

 

THat number seems right.

but even p95 wont push it over 40, eventho tdp is 91w

 

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10 minutes ago, Allard said:

it's only using 40 watts tho under 100% load?

Package power? Maybe it's running at really low voltage, also 100% usage doesnt mean it's a stressful workload

 

Or maybe the sensor's broken, that can happen as well


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Jurrunio said:

Package power? Maybe it's running at really low voltage, also 100% usage doesnt mean it's a stressful workload

I am doing p95 small fft now. Thats giving me a more realistic Wattage, 57 package. 1.195v. Seems like this is truly all the performance i will get :C.

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1 minute ago, Allard said:

but even p95 wont push it over 40, eventho tdp is 91w

TDP =/= chip power consumption

 

although chip power consumption should be higher than TDP(?)

 

but yea, different instruction have different power requirements


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, Moonzy said:

TDP =/= chip power consumption

 

although chip power consumption should be higher than TDP(?)

 

but yea, different instruction have different power requirements

just seems weird there is nothing that can even comes above 60W. And ive tried a lot of programs.

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7 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

TDP =/= chip power consumption

 

although chip power consumption should be higher than TDP(?)

 

but yea, different instruction have different power requirements

Intel's pretty much using TDP as power draw, PL1 is the same as TDP by default


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thanks all for the good reply's, 
If you got any other tips on how i could get more performance please let me know.
I now know that there is nothing wrong with the CPU at least.

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3 minutes ago, Allard said:

Thanks all for the good reply's, 
If you got any other tips on how i could get more performance please let me know.
I now know that there is nothing wrong with the CPU at least.

with a H170 chipset, nothing much you can do

it's plug and play pretty much

 

if there's something wrong you'll BSOD or it wont even boot

unless thermal throttle


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