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Return your RTX 3080 while you can

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Aside from the FE and Asus models, all other RTX 3080 cards seem to be consistently crashing at 2000Mhz+ core clock speed. Actually, people here in the forum are already complained about crashes on the FE model. To add salt to the injury, a leak from the GALAX roadmap shows that a 3080 with 20gb VRAM is coming, and likely very soon (as well as a RTX 3060).

 

Now... ask yourself, once these cards are out, how much do you think your 10gb model will be worth? Not to mention that it will be bottlenecking your card's raw power rather sooner than later. The new consoles are raising the graphical bar, so don't go expecting to be safe with 8-10gb VRAM, because you won't be. It's the 1060 3gb and 6gb dilemma all over again. Thinking that you may need the extra VRAM more in 2 ore 3 years only, once 4000 series are released, is just wrong, because you shouldn't buy a product and expect it to be good for just a couple years. 

 

Also, for all of you who say that the card is good enough, I tell you this: you don't buy a high end product to settle for good enough. And hey, the RTX 3080 is not even that.

 

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10gb has been shown to be enough for games for the foreseeable future many times. as for the 20gb versions, i still dont understand why theyre going to exist because A) 10gb is enough for games and B) a 20gb card will cut into 3090 sales very hard. even then, its unlikely these cards will be priced the same as the 10gb on launch, unless amd forces them to cut costs in which case it doesnt matter whether that there were 20gb versions coming out anyways, the 3080 will lose value either way in that situation. seems like people want the 3080 to solve world hunger or something, its a good card at a normal price point with some first batch issues which have plagued basically every gpu launch. 


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11 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

once these cards are out, how much do you think your 10gb model will be worth?

depending on their price and overall availability, maybe higher than MSRP

covid sure drove up my 2070 super's 2nd hand price, higher than my purchasing price.

 

11 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

The new consoles are raising the graphical bar, so don't go expecting to be safe with 8-10gb VRAM, because you won't be.

sooo.... is turning down graphic settings not an option anymore or am i missing something?

don't give me the BS about "i paid for it", you paid for the GPU, not for the promise that it can run everything at max settings

 

11 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

you don't buy a high end product to settle for good enough. And hey, the RTX 3080 is not even that.

you're right, that's why the 3090 has 24gb of vram


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6 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

10gb has been shown to be enough for games for the foreseeable future many times. as for the 20gb versions, i still dont understand why theyre going to exist because A) 10gb is enough for games and B) a 20gb card will cut into 3090 sales very hard. even then, its unlikely these cards will be priced the same as the 10gb on launch, unless amd forces them to cut costs in which case it doesnt matter whether that there were 20gb versions coming out anyways, the 3080 will lose value either way in that situation. seems like people want the 3080 to solve world hunger or something, its a good card at a normal price point with some first batch issues which have plagued basically every gpu launch. 

Even at 200 dollars more, which I don't think will be the case, that's a no brainer to me. The first batch issue is a given, that I agree. Beta testers First buyers are there for it.

 

5 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

depending on their price and overall availability, maybe higher than MSRP

covid sure drove up my 2070 super's 2nd hand price, higher than my purchasing price.

 

sooo.... is turning down graphic settings not an option anymore or am i missing something?

don't give me the BS about "i paid for it", you paid for the GPU, not for the promise that it can run everything at max settings

 

you're right, that's why the 3090 has 24gb of vram

Once all cards are "buyable" and everything in the market is stabilized, nobody will care for the 10gb model. And having to lower down graphics not because of the card can't handle it, but for lack of VRAM, is just bad. There's no other way to put it, and NVIDIA knows it very well, or they wouldn't already have a 20gb version on the horizon.

 

About the 3090, I'm with you there. I totally don't mind people buying it, not because of bad price for performance, but just because it's the only one I'd consider right now, even though there's more VRAM that I'll ever use before switching to another card.

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21 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Now... ask yourself, once these cards are out, how much do you think your 10gb model will be worth? 

around the price that i would have bought it. maybe a little less or a little more.

 

i dont get the point of this thread. 


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2 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

around the price that i would have bought it. maybe a little less or a little more.

 

i dont get the point of this thread. 

Er...to ask people to return an incomplete product, so NVIDIA drop the bullshit next time?

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29 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

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i'm waiting for better pcb and better bins on the 3090, the 3080 problems is bad enough for a return, worst, you undervolt it, take a 5% cut and save  on the power bills. I can see ppl that get annoyed by the problem and return it regardless.

 

Anyone who buys the cheaper models know what they are getting into (personally wouldn't), but this isn't nearly as bad as the turing alien invaders.

 

Regarding the 3080 launch in general, it's a very good but gimped card, i wouldn't hesitate to recommend certain models if someone's doing a new build.


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15 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Once all cards are "buyable" and everything in the market is stabilized, nobody will care for the 10gb model.

need some crystal ball for that because

1) we dont know if the 20gb are even launching

2) we dont know when they're launching, if it's soon then i dont see it or the 10gb being available anytime soon

 

15 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

And having to lower down graphics not because of the card can't handle it, but for lack of VRAM, is just bad.

isnt lack of vram = card cant handle it? they're the same thing no?

 

9 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Er...to ask people to return an incomplete product, so NVIDIA drop the bullshit next time?

for the wrong reason

people should return it because it's a shit show now

 

we don't even truly know what's wrong yet, though the capacitor is a good speculation with theories to back it up.

and how AIB are mis-advertising their cards with false capacitor layout photos, some of the model even have different capacitor config among itself, so it's the luck of the draw


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20 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

sooo.... is turning down graphic settings not an option anymore or am i missing something?

don't give me the BS about "i paid for it", you paid for the GPU, not for the promise that it can run everything at max settings

I get what you mean but nvidia claimed the 3080 as being "2x faster" and for a gpu that sells for $800 because good luck getting one close to msrp, i think the high end gpu should be capable of running max settings. 

20 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

you're right, that's why the 3090 has 24gb of vram

The 3090 makes no sense as a gaming card, the 3080 would've been better as a 12gb card, IMO.

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Just now, Blademaster91 said:

nvidia claimed the 3080 as being "2x faster"

Only in raytracing with DLSS on, only in certain games, and only when compared to the RTX 2080 non-Super. Individual components of the GPU were promoted as "2.4x", but those are only specific parts of the card, not all of it. The "1.9x" was specified as a performance per-watt increase at 240W, not at the card's functional wattage.

4 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

i think the high end gpu should be capable of running max settings. 

And it currently is, apart from 8K. Since it's not the highest-end, it's not doing the 8K well. (though it is technically capable of it)

5 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

the 3080 would've been better as a 12gb card, IMO.

That appears to have been their original intent, but chip yields were too low to be able to handle it.


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8 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The 3090 makes no sense as a gaming card

why? just because you dont think it's worth it doesnt mean others wont

just look at the queue for it

or 2080Ti sales.


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6 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

why? just because you dont think it's worth it doesnt mean others wont

just look at the queue for it

or 2080Ti sales.

Because you won't be using 24gb on games in a good while. It also lacks features that you need when working with 3d rendering, so it's a weird card in the end.

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1 minute ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Because you won't be using 24gb on games in a good while

so, why wouldnt that make sense in gaming? does having more vram hurt performance?

 

technically yes, more bits = more chance to go wrong = more correcting needed = more processing but like this isn't even noticeable


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1 hour ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Aside from the FE and Asus models, all other RTX 3080 cards seem to be consistently crashing at 2000Mhz+ core clock speed. Actually, people here in the forum are already complained about crashes on the FE model. To add salt to the injury, a leak from the GALAX roadmap shows that a 3080 with 20gb VRAM is coming, and likely very soon (as well as a RTX 3060).

 

Now... ask yourself, once these cards are out, how much do you think your 10gb model will be worth? Not to mention that it will be bottlenecking your card's raw power rather sooner than later. The new consoles are raising the graphical bar, so don't go expecting to be safe with 8-10gb VRAM, because you won't be. It's the 1060 3gb and 6gb dilemma all over again. Thinking that you may need the extra VRAM more in 2 ore 3 years only, once 4000 series are released, is just wrong, because you shouldn't buy a product and expect it to be good for just a couple years. 

 

Also, for all of you who say that the card is good enough, I tell you this: you don't buy a high end product to settle for good enough. And hey, the RTX 3080 is not even that.

 

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1 minute ago, LOST TALE said:

How much gb do the consoles have available for vram?

16gb of shared ram and vram if I remember right. My point here is that every time a console launches, games start getting much heavier and better looking on PC. It's been like that for years.

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1 hour ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Er...to ask people to return an incomplete product, so NVIDIA drop the bullshit next time?

just cuz you may be salty you didn't get one doesn't mean you can force everyone else to get rid of theirs.

its not right to ask people to do this unless you are the proper authority. The most you can do is make a statment and declare reasons for returning it.

this post isnt right. you have no power over others


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I'd be more interested in updated models in that they will be more robust/fixed problems that exist on the current ones, than the memory size increase.


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3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

than the memory size increase.

yea, who needs more than 8gb vram at 1080p

 

"who needs a 3070 at 1080p"

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People who need more than 8-10GB of VRAM are probably not even looking at the 3080 or lower, since driving that much needs a pretty dedicated application. Some edge cases like lone developers might be in the category, but the average gamer does not need the extra besides flexing peen because they couldn't afford to flex a 3090.


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12 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

just cuz you may be salty you didn't get one doesn't mean you can force everyone else to get rid of theirs.

its not right to ask people to do this unless you are the proper authority. The most you can do is make a statment and declare reasons for returning it.

this post isnt right. you have no power over others

I didn't try to get any of the cards, as they don't make sense to me. You are just assuming things. And who said anything about forcing people to do something?

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1 hour ago, eeeee1 said:

i dont get the point of this thread. 

 

Same here... ;)


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lmao i didnt even say you DID i said you Might have. and i never said you were forcing. you WERE asking but still in my eyes, this still isnt right. you cant just ask or even demand that people return what products they bought


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3 minutes ago, eeeee1 said:

lmao i didnt even say you DID i said you Might have. and i never said you were forcing. you WERE asking but still in my eyes, this still isnt right. you cant just ask or even demand that people return what products they bought

I didn't actually ask anything on the post, although I wrongly mentioned it in one of the answers. The idea is really to bring awareness to a problem. This is my last answer here, since people clearly don't care. 

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2 hours ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

I didn't actually ask anything on the post, although I wrongly mentioned it in one of the answers. The idea is really to bring awareness to a problem. This is my last answer here, since people clearly don't care. 

bye :)

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