Should I get 10700k?

[maizenblue]

The 10600k has hyper threading but still has 2 less cores and 4 less threads than the 10700k so theres no guarantee you wouldn't wind up in the same situation you're in now. Having to upgrade a couple years early because u listened to the i5 crowd. 
 

For me it depends on how much cheaper a 10600k is. If you can save over 150 dollars it might be worth it. If its just 100 Its a little iffy as the new consoles are 8c 16t so its logical to assume game devs would use those xtra threads and cores in upcoming games. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, maizenblue said:

The 10600k has hyper threading but still has 2 less cores and 4 less threads than the 10700k so theres no guarantee you wouldn't wind up in the same situation you're in now. Having to upgrade a couple years early because u listened to the i5 crowd. 
 

For me it depends on how much cheaper a 10600k is. If you can save over 150 dollars it might be worth it. If its just 100 Its a little iffy as the new consoles are 8c 16t so its logical to assume game devs would use those xtra threads and cores in upcoming games. 

Like how the 7700K is outdated now and can't play any game at all?

 

Devs are limited by the lowest common denominator for who will buy their product.

 

 

[maizenblue]

29 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Like how the 7700K is outdated now and can't play any game at all?

 

Devs are limited by the lowest common denominator for who will buy their product.

 

 

For the first time ever new consoles are coming out that have high end pc hardware, including 8c 16t cpus. In a competitive game market u can bet some will take advantage of those cores and threads to make their games stand out. 
 

Theres something to be said about saving money on a 10600k that equals a 10700k in games out now and using the savings to upgrade later, but 8c 16t will be the new standard for a while as console generations last many years, so why not just get a cpu that will last through this console generation since gpu upgrades are more important. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, maizenblue said:

For the first time ever new consoles are coming out that have high end pc hardware, including 8c 16t cpus. In a competitive game market u can bet some will take advantage of those cores and threads to make their games stand out. 
 

Theres something to be said about saving money on a 10600k that equals a 10700k in games out now and using the savings to upgrade later, but 8c 16t will be the new standard for a while as console generations last many years, so why not just get a cpu that will last through this console generation since gpu upgrades are more important. 

You make good points if your assumptions are infact correct.  Like 8c/16t being the new standard.  Tho in 10 years maybe.  

 

AMD just came out with 4c CPU's that were lauded as really good and smart call.  They sorta knew what was coming up since they were supplying said PS5 and Xbox internals.  

 

I simply disagree that buying now to forestall future issues is a good idea.  Buy then.  Or would you buy the 3090 now, since in 5 years 8K gaming may be much more mainstream?  Or just wait for a 24GB GTX5070 that does as much but is much cheaper?

 

I'm just not a fan of buying more than you need or will need realistically forseeably.  I think you're looking too far out is all.  My opinion of course.

[Mister Woof]

52 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Like how the 7700K is outdated now and can't play any game at all?

 

Devs are limited by the lowest common denominator for who will buy their product.

 

 

 

And lets be real here, consoles have had 8 core CPUs (well kind of) for a long time now, and yet most triple A games still are poorly optimized for multi-threaded hardware.

 

Things move slow and then fast and then slow again. We've moved on from the 4 core chips, but even now, a quad core with SMT will still be quite competent in most scenarios. A 6/12 is going to last a while longer yet, and 8/16 will last longer than the useful lifespan of the architecture.

 

Sure consoles have 8/16 chips, but they will take a very very long time to fully tap that out, if they ever even do.

[maizenblue]

I base a lot of this on my own experience. People said buy a 4690k, by the time youd need the extra 4 threads of a 4790k itll be way too slow to matter. 
 

They were wrong. The 4690k was struggling by 2016 in cpu intensive games like bf1, while my 4790k was still going strong in 2020 before my mobo had issues so i upgraded. 
 

He just pointed out his 8600k was struggling already while the 8700k is still going strong.

[rpalmz46]

7 hours ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

What's your monitor specs?

 

I'm playing at 1440p 165hz monitor. IDK my cpu seems to always be an issue in every game its hitting like 70-100% on the cores and then i start experiencing extreme stutters its just not very fun to play like that like look at gta 5 here ill post an image. My gpu usage is super low my fps is still good but i get stuttering once the cores go a bit higher.

[rpalmz46]

28 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

I base a lot of this on my own experience. People said buy a 4690k, by the time youd need the extra 4 threads of a 4790k itll be way too slow to matter. 
 

They were wrong. The 4690k was struggling by 2016 in cpu intensive games like bf1, while my 4790k was still going strong in 2020 before my mobo had issues so i upgraded. 
 

He just pointed out his 8600k was struggling already while the 8700k is still going strong.

THIS DUDE everytime ive got a new cpu i always just go for the i5 because its cheaper my first cpu was a 4690k and i got it because my friend said a i7-4790k was pointless and useless if you are just gaming. I didn't know anything about pcs around then. Now this i5-8600k is struggling super hard now, like in assassins creed odyssey I had a fps drop to 4 with the cpu cores hitting all 100% and my gpu usage went down to 2% at that time as well. I just want a strong ass cpu that has smt or hyperthreading that doesnt ever go above high usages so i dont have to worry about my gpu not being able to be fully utilized.

[rpalmz46]

Lol look at this gta 5 menu stutter its so bad i cant even move my mouse it just teleports around lol.

[rpalmz46]

Sometimes i start questioning with how much people swear by these i5's if something in my system has been fundamentally wrong but its happened over multiple different psus and mobos and cpus at this point so i think its just i5s are below the performance i always want.

[rpalmz46]

7 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Good point, I take for granted I have a 360mm AIO on mine.

 

OP, what cooling are you using on the 8600K?  

Using a hyper 212 evo thermals are decent never go about 65c gaming.

 

[Mister Woof]

51 minutes ago, rpalmz46 said:

I'm playing at 1440p 165hz monitor. IDK my cpu seems to always be an issue in every game its hitting like 70-100% on the cores and then i start experiencing extreme stutters its just not very fun to play like that like look at gta 5 here ill post an image. My gpu usage is super low my fps is still good but i get stuttering once the cores go a bit higher.

GTAV specifically has an i5 problem, when it hits the framerate cap and bounces off and screws up performance.

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2878-gta-v-stuttering-mystery-on-i5-r5-cpus-part-2

 

 

[rpalmz46]

6 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

GTAV specifically has an i5 problem, when it hits the framerate cap and bounces off and screws up performance.

 

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2878-gta-v-stuttering-mystery-on-i5-r5-cpus-part-2

 

 

hmm well i dont know i just notice everyone always saying to me that an i5 is enough but how is it that all my cores are always maxed out and my gpu usage goes hella down in a lot of titles.

[Mister Woof]

What's your memory configuration

[rpalmz46]

52 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

What's your memory configuration

I've got some g skill ddr4 2400mhz ram i believe not sure what channel or whatever its running in never really bothered with that.

 

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, rpalmz46 said:

I've got some g skill ddr4 2400mhz ram i believe not sure what channel or whatever its running in never really bothered with that.

 

find that out - run CPUZ and show us the memory tab

[rpalmz46]

27 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

find that out - run CPUZ and show us the memory tab

Okay here is what it is showing. 

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, rpalmz46 said:

Okay here is what it is showing. 

That's some pretty slow memory. IDK if that's the cause of your stuttering issues, but it certainly isn't helping.

 

If try to look at your running processes when gaming to see if anything unusual is eating up cpu cycles

[rpalmz46]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

That's some pretty slow memory. IDK if that's the cause of your stuttering issues, but it certainly isn't helping.

 

If try to look at your running processes when gaming to see if anything unusual is eating up cpu cycles

How do i go about that exactly?

[Mister Woof]

Just now, rpalmz46 said:

How do i go about that exactly?

Actually do it at idle

 

Ctrl alt delete

Task manager

Processes

 

Click to sort by usage

[rpalmz46]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Actually do it at idle

 

Ctrl alt delete

Task manager

Processes

 

Click to sort by usage

Actually i was looking at this the other day and the only abnormal thing i really seen was windows audio device graph isolation was taking up between 8-20% cpu usage its not present now but its only there when i start gaming and especially when i join a discord call. 

[rpalmz46]

Have my i5-8600k overclocked @1.2volts 4.5ghz fixed 

[maizenblue]

2 hours ago, rpalmz46 said:

THIS DUDE everytime ive got a new cpu i always just go for the i5 because its cheaper my first cpu was a 4690k and i got it because my friend said a i7-4790k was pointless and useless if you are just gaming. I didn't know anything about pcs around then. Now this i5-8600k is struggling super hard now, like in assassins creed odyssey I had a fps drop to 4 with the cpu cores hitting all 100% and my gpu usage went down to 2% at that time as well. I just want a strong ass cpu that has smt or hyperthreading that doesnt ever go above high usages so i dont have to worry about my gpu not being able to be fully utilized.

So here's the thing. Everyone's talking about background processes and apps. If you have an I7 or an 8 core Ryzen it doesnt matter because u have threads to spare. That's the beauty of it. Worse case scenario if u go 10700k u spend extra money for extra multi tasking ability, so it still wouldnt be a total waste. I can have as many apps running as I want and it doesnt affect my gaming, whereas with an 8 thread CPU I had to be a lot more conscious of it. 

 

Really it boils down to how much u save by going 10600k and if you are on a tight budget. If you can save 150 dollars or more then go for it. U can use that money to upgrade later when new gen CPUs come out. I look at it this way. It's just a PITA upgrading your CPU if its not performing well because u have to get a new CPU, mobo and usually ram, and u do all that just to stop stuttering problems but the FPS doesnt really change. So I go big on CPU and skimp a little on a GPU, since I can always just lower settings if my GPU isnt cutting it, and lowering settings doesnt affect things much whereas stuttering issues wrecks the experience. 

 

If you can wait for zen 3 then prices of both the 10700k AND Ryzen 3700x/3800x will probably drop. The 2700x was dirt cheap after the 3700x dropped. I think it dropped to 140 dollars at microcenter, so I would imagine the 3700x is going to drop as well. If it dropped to like 200 USD on black friday U could just get that and save 200 dollars over a 10700k for a cpu that will perform almost the same at 1440p and the same at 4k. Plus who knows, the 5800x might even beat the 10700k in gaming for less money, although I wouldnt count on it.

[rpalmz46]

5 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

So here's the thing. Everyone's talking about background processes and apps. If you have an I7 or an 8 core Ryzen it doesnt matter because u have threads to spare. That's the beauty of it. Worse case scenario if u go 10700k u spend extra money for extra multi tasking ability, so it still wouldnt be a total waste. I can have as many apps running as I want and it doesnt affect my gaming, whereas with an 8 thread CPU I had to be a lot more conscious of it. 

 

Really it boils down to how much u save by going 10600k and if you are on a tight budget. If you can save 150 dollars or more then go for it. U can use that money to upgrade later when new gen CPUs come out. I look at it this way. It's just a PITA upgrading your CPU if its not performing well because u have to get a new CPU, mobo and usually ram, and u do all that just to stop stuttering problems but the FPS doesnt really change. So I go big on CPU and skimp a little on a GPU, since I can always just lower settings if my GPU isnt cutting it, and lowering settings doesnt affect things much whereas stuttering issues wrecks the experience. 

 

If you can wait for zen 3 then prices of both the 10700k AND Ryzen 3700x/3800x will probably drop. The 2700x was dirt cheap after the 3700x dropped. I think it dropped to 140 dollars at microcenter, so I would imagine the 3700x is going to drop as well. If it dropped to like 200 USD on black friday U could just get that and save 200 dollars over a 10700k for a cpu that will perform almost the same at 1440p and the same at 4k. Plus who knows, the 5800x might even beat the 10700k in gaming for less money, although I wouldnt count on it.

Honestly like id pay like 6-800 dollars for a new cpu mobo combo at the moment even if my fps increase is minor but it makes my frametimes consistent and removes my suttering its so aggravating. Having 160 fps but stutters to like 60 or 80 here and there is worse than playing at a fixed like 60 or 80 i swear.

 

[Mister Woof]

2 hours ago, rpalmz46 said:

Honestly like id pay like 6-800 dollars for a new cpu mobo combo at the moment even if my fps increase is minor but it makes my frametimes consistent and removes my suttering its so aggravating. Having 160 fps but stutters to like 60 or 80 here and there is worse than playing at a fixed like 60 or 80 i swear.

 

Even with more threads this won't go away 100%, that's why on all benchmarks you see the average, 1%, and .1% lows.

 

So just temper your expectations. Wider chips will give you more headroom for background processes sure, but it's important to understand that engine, storage access time, computational events in real time game, etc., all affect your experience.

 

Either way you'll want faster ram. 2400 is very slow and can make a pretty noticeable difference in gaming, depending on the game. GTAV iirc is one of the more memory sensitive games. Although I do not believe this is your primary issue.

 

I haven't personally experienced any such issues on my 5ghz 8700k, and I guess I'd have to ask my son if he has any problems with his 9400 but he doesn't really seem sensitive to it much.