RTX 3080 performing as poor as my old GTX 1070 Ti

[GoldMichi]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

was about to say that it's kind of low, but then i remembered it didnt need to work hard so it probably didnt boosted

 

people are having issues when 3080 is running full tilt now

 

interesting. I've noticed, that in NZXT cam the maximum clock speed for the gpu is between 1.7ghz and 1.8 ghz, since the bar displaying the clock speed seems maxed out. I was kind of confused, since the rtx 3080 should be going up as far as 2.1 Ghz. Not sure if it is a NZXT cam bound issue or if it's actually limited by the gpu. good thing theres warranty, if there should be anything wrong with the hardware. And if it's a known issue, the chances of a refund rise.

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, GoldMichi said:

since the displaying the clock speed seems maxed out

the base clock is around that, so it showing it as max seems normal even though the card can definitely go higher

[GoldMichi]

ah okay, makes sense. ^^

[GoldMichi]

Update:

I've calculated my cpu bottleneck and found out that the cpu, at least by the calculator, should work perfectly fine on 1080p with a Titan RTX (There were no RTX 30-series models yet, but the Titan RTX performs equally, if not better, than the 3080). https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i7-8700/TITAN_RTX/0NZ12Zlu/32/100/ 

Maybe the calculator is wrong. But if not, I'd be quite confused.

I know it says, that you shouldn't take it as a reference point, but rather as a tool to understand how components work together, but I'm still confused...

@Moonzy

Edited September 24, 2020 by GoldMichi

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, GoldMichi said:

Maybe the calculator is wrong.

what does it calculate based on? I can name a few things i can do on a rtx 3090 + core 2 duo system

i can also name a few things i can do on a 3900x + gt 710 system

 

it depends on what you do, and what you're doing is limited by your CPU as shown in the benchmark

if you dont believe me, download MSI afterburner, include RTSS (rivatuner statistic server) and enable the overlay to show your GPU and individual core usage

at 0% gpu bound, your GPU usage shouldnt be pinned at 99%, it'll fluctuate below that (i suspect 60-90%, depending on scene)

[GoldMichi]

Just now, Moonzy said:

what does it calculate based on? I can name a few things i can do on a rtx 3090 + core 2 duo system

i can also name a few things i can do on a 3900x + gt 710 system

 

it depends on what you do, and what you're doing is limited by your CPU as shown in the benchmark

if you dont believe me, download MSI afterburner, include RTSS (rivatuner statistic server) and enable the overlay to show your GPU and individual core usage

at 0% gpu bound, your GPU usage shouldnt be pinned at 99%, it'll fluctuate below that (i suspect 60-90%, depending on scene)

I do absolutely believe you. I'm just trying to figure out if I maybe I did something wrong, when installing the card, have driver issues, hardware issues, if the card itself is faulty, etc... The bottleneck calculator just adds to my confusion. But if the card is performing as expected and I know that the cpu is the one holding it back, then that's fine by me. It's just that I wanted to find out, what the issue was, why my PC wasn't performing as expected. I thank you for your kind help!

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, GoldMichi said:

I'm just trying to figure out if I maybe I did something wrong, when installing the card, have driver issues, hardware issues, if the card itself is faulty, etc...

there's no harm in trying to squeeze out every single bit of performance from your system

you can use the overlay method to determine what kind of bottleneck you're facing in any other games/tasks

it's just that SOTR presents its data to you, so i didnt need an overlay and look at your usage to determine what's wrong.

 

you could try closing some background tasks, or even doing a clean windows install to get rid of background tasks and accumulated junk

but you wont see much difference (maybe ~5-10fps uplift)

you can also look at turning some settings off, as i have noticed my FPS dropped by ~10% in ultra compared to lowest settings, even when GPU wasnt a factor (some setting is loading up the CPU)

 

but overall, your system is fine as is, should run the game just fine.

[GoldMichi]

2 hours ago, Moonzy said:

there's no harm in trying to squeeze out every single bit of performance from your system

you can use the overlay method to determine what kind of bottleneck you're facing in any other games/tasks

it's just that SOTR presents its data to you, so i didnt need an overlay and look at your usage to determine what's wrong.

 

you could try closing some background tasks, or even doing a clean windows install to get rid of background tasks and accumulated junk

but you wont see much difference (maybe ~5-10fps uplift)

you can also look at turning some settings off, as i have noticed my FPS dropped by ~10% in ultra compared to lowest settings, even when GPU wasnt a factor (some setting is loading up the CPU)

 

but overall, your system is fine as is, should run the game just fine.

Yeah and now I know what the "issue" is  and can plan on upgrading my cpu. Again thank you for your help!

[Stockholmes]

It was stated earlier that for 1080p gaming the 3080 is complete overkill, you will be CPU bound in any game. You should only buy a 3080 if you're playing on 1440p/4K. That's where you will see the cards potential. So yeah, basically your CPU is holding you back, and even if you upgrade to a 10900K you will still be CPU bound @ 1080p.

[Mister Woof]

3 hours ago, GoldMichi said:

Update:

I've calculated my cpu bottleneck and found out that the cpu, at least by the calculator, should work perfectly fine on 1080p with a Titan RTX (There were no RTX 30-series models yet, but the Titan RTX performs equally, if not better, than the 3080). https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i7-8700/TITAN_RTX/0NZ12Zlu/32/100/ 

Maybe the calculator is wrong. But if not, I'd be quite confused.

I know it says, that you shouldn't take it as a reference point, but rather as a tool to understand how components work together, but I'm still confused...

@Moonzy

These don't mean anything. The results I showed you were a good approximation of GPU limitation in that game. If you can get someone to run a 9900k at 4.3ghz, you could see specifically just how much the extra cores would help, and then again at full speed to see how much extra you'd gain from extra frequency, you'd have a better idea.

 

As we've said a few times, it depends on the games, and SotTR is just one of those games that does benefit from more cores, unlike many many others.

 

I find it odd you are getting results so much lower than mine at 4.3ghz when you are also running at 4.3ghz.

 

What RAM do you have, and is it dual channel?

[-rascal-]

I would not put a high power draw CPU into that motherboard (e.g. i9-9900K).

The MSi Z370 PC Pro motherboard only has a 4-phase CPU VRM.

Annnnd MSi also commented:

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/ryan-martin/msi-z370-pc-pro-motherboard-review/11/

Quote

MSI commented to us that this motherboard has by default a “95W Power Limit and 200A Current Limit” which it implements on all its “four phase CPU Core VRM” Z370 motherboards when using “95W CPUs”. It does so to prevent VRM overheating which it says can happen when using 4.8GHz and 1.275v vCore or higher under extreme stress tests like Prime 95 small FFTs.

 

By applying some “potentially unsafe in the long-term” modifications to the power limit we were able to circumvent MSI’s restrictions and achieve normal 5GHz performance results in Cinebench (see above right). This is, however, not recommended as MSI sets these power limits for a reason – it knows what the VRM implementation is capable of.

 

[GoldMichi]

12 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

I would not put a high power draw CPU into that motherboard (e.g. i9-9900K).

The MSi Z370 PC Pro motherboard only has a 4-phase CPU VRM.

Annnnd MSi also commented:

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/ryan-martin/msi-z370-pc-pro-motherboard-review/11/

 

yeah, I would need to upgrade my motherboard as well...

[GoldMichi]

 

So here's my taskmanager when playing on max settings in Wow classic. I'm getting around 170 Fps, depending on where I am... I'm getting the feeling, that my GPU is busted. What do you guys think?

@-rascal-

@Mister Woof

@Moonzy

[GoldMichi]

3 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

These don't mean anything. The results I showed you were a good approximation of GPU limitation in that game. If you can get someone to run a 9900k at 4.3ghz, you could see specifically just how much the extra cores would help, and then again at full speed to see how much extra you'd gain from extra frequency, you'd have a better idea.

 

As we've said a few times, it depends on the games, and SotTR is just one of those games that does benefit from more cores, unlike many many others.

 

I find it odd you are getting results so much lower than mine at 4.3ghz when you are also running at 4.3ghz.

 

What RAM do you have, and is it dual channel?

I'm using the corsair vengeance RGB Pro 32 Gb 4-channel 3.6Ghz. I enabled them manually in Bios

[Moonzy]

show the CPU tab, change graph to logical processor

 

not all task will use all cores, sometimes it only uses 1 or 2 threads, and when those threads are max (or near max most of the time), the game wont run any faster, therefore the gpu wont have to work any faster

 

i believe WoW only uses few threads, since it's such an old game

[GoldMichi]

Just now, Moonzy said:

show the CPU tab, change graph to logical processor

 

not all task will use all cores, sometimes it only uses 1 or 2 threads, and when those threads are max (or near max most of the time), the game wont run any faster, therefore the gpu wont have to work any faster

 

i believe WoW only uses few threads, since it's such an old game

But I get 80 °C on my gpu which is about 170 degrees Fahrenheit lmao. There must be something wrong, right?

[Moonzy]

Just now, GoldMichi said:

But I get 80 °C on my gpu which is about 170 degrees Fahrenheit lmao. There must be something wrong, right?

can we get a photo of your computer

[Moonzy]

and how did you measure temp? maybe download msi afterburner, im more familiar with that

[GoldMichi]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

show the CPU tab, change graph to logical processor

 

not all task will use all cores, sometimes it only uses 1 or 2 threads, and when those threads are max (or near max most of the time), the game wont run any faster, therefore the gpu wont have to work any faster

 

i believe WoW only uses few threads, since it's such an old game

 

[Moonzy]

right click the graph, change to logical processor

[GoldMichi]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

and how did you measure temp? maybe download msi afterburner, im more familiar with that

 

[Moonzy]

how close is it from side panel? vertical mounted GPU can have high temps if it's very close to the glass

less than 4 inch is too close

can we also get a photo of the front of the casing?

[GoldMichi]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

right click the graph, change to logical processor

[GoldMichi]

Just now, Moonzy said:

how close is it from side panel? vertical mounted GPU can have high temps if it's very close to the glass

less than 4 inch is too close

can we also get a photo of the front of the casing?

it's about 4 inches away from the glass panel

 

[Moonzy]

this thread is limiting you, as i've mentioned before