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Suyash Kerkar

New AMD CPU socket?

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AMD had announced support for AM4 till 2020.

So there will be a new CPU socket for Ryzen next year or there's still some more time for it?

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5th gen ryzen ( comming in 2021) will use the (supposedly) am5 socket, which will have support for ddr5


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Who knows, so far rumours Zen 4 (the gen after next gen) will start using DDR5 which will mean new socket and new boards, but no one know exactly what will come between Zen 3 and Zen 4.


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inb4 AM4+ with Zen 4 supporting DDR4 & DDR5.


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11 hours ago, svmlegacy said:

inb4 AM4+ with Zen 4 supporting DDR4 & DDR5.

That'd be dope, if only for the ddr2/3 am2/3 lga775 memories it would bring me. Those boards were interesting but ultimately were not great. Don't remember if there were any of those hybrid board that supported 4gb ddr3 dimms. If there were, i never came across one.

 

Even ddr3 i remember some platforms that supported it had a limit on the size that didn't age well. Even worse, some laptop platforms would only take dual or single rank ddr3 (rank, not channel).

 

These days, that might not be an issue as for most menial tasks we can get by with a single 8gb stick. And recent-ish platforms support more than that per dimm. So space on the board to fit a decent ammount of either ddr4 or 5 would not be a big issue like it ended up being in the ddr1/2 or 2/3  days. On that note, it still boggles my mind that there were 775 cpus could be used in ddr1 ddr2 and ddr3 motherboards that fit the socket.

 

But considering that the memory controller is on the cpu, that the frequency of ddr5 can be 10x more than ddr2 and how oems cheap out on bios rom chips, it may end up being more difficult.

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18 minutes ago, LauRoman said:

But considering that the memory controller is on the cpu, that the frequency of ddr5 can be 10x more than ddr2 and how oems cheap out on bios rom chips, it may end up being more difficult.

In all fairness, when DDR4 came out, it was approximately the same speed as DDR3 at the time. Coffee Lake CPU's also still have a DDR3 controller onboard.

Then AMD Athlon II / Phenom II line also had DDR2 & DDR3 controllers onboard. This it totally within plausibility.


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9 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

In all fairness, when DDR4 came out, it was approximately the same speed as DDR3 at the time. Coffee Lake CPU's also still have a DDR3 controller onboard.

Then AMD Athlon II / Phenom II line also had DDR2 & DDR3 controllers onboard. This it totally within plausibility.

I may be mistaken, but are there boards for it that support regular voltage ddr3? Because i think ddr3L as a weird stop-gap before ddr4.

 

Also isn't ddr5 supposed to read and write to the memory chips in a different paradigm than before?

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1 minute ago, LauRoman said:

may be mistaken, but are there boards for it that support regular voltage ddr3? Because i think ddr3L as a weird stop-gap before ddr4.

Skylake and up are offically DDR3L only, but that only affects the voltage the DIMM's run at. It's still a DDR3 controller. DDR3L isn't a stop-gap, it's for laptops/power optimized solutions. The H310C is a chinese only chipset for 300-series and DDR3L.

 

I can't speak to specifics on DDR5.


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21 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

Skylake and up are offically DDR3L only, but that only affects the voltage the DIMM's run at. It's still a DDR3 controller. DDR3L isn't a stop-gap, it's for laptops/power optimized solutions. The H310C is a chinese only chipset for 300-series and DDR3L.

 

I can't speak to specifics on DDR5.

I was never disputing the fact that it is a ddr3 contoller. I said that "i think of it as a stop gap" because none of the last platforms to support ddr3l have any variant that support ddr3 but do have variants that support ddr4.

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