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I need some Schooling.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Budget (including currency): I spent probably around $4000 USD for everything.

Country: The States of America...Get it?

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Video Editing, Music Production, 3D Animation, Mostly Gameplay. I built it with Cyberpunk 2077 in mind.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Folks - I need help. I decided it was about time to build a new machine. It's been over 10 years since I last build a Desktop. I've been running Asus ROG laptops that entire time. I went in with no expectation of budget. I wanted to get as high-end of components as I could and put it all together - and I wanted to stay in the Asus ROG Family for every component that I could. So I built what I thought was a monster...and I'm wondering if I need some schooling. Here are the Specs.

CPU - Intel Core i9-9820X (10-core) w/ROG Ryujin AIO Cooler

MB - ROG STRIX X299-E Gaming II

RAM - 64GB DDR4 3200

M.2 - 2x Western Digital Black 2TB Drives. 1 Samsung 960 PRO 1TB

SATA - 10TB WD Drive, (Left overs from external drives 8TB WD Drive, and 4 TB WD Drive)

GPU - ASUS ROG STRIX 2080 Ti

PS - Thermaltake Toughpower 1200w Gold

Case - ROG STRIX Helios GX601

 

So..yeah - went nuts. But I legitimately do a lot with this Machine - on TOP of which I basically wanted it to play my current library of games, and the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077 flawlessly in 4K.

Most of what I do with the machine (internet, Music Production, Graphic Design, Video Editing, even boot up - is lightening-fast.) But Games lag more than I thought they should on max settings. I'm not super stoked on the framerates I'm getting - by all accounts - this thing should be a monster, smooth and excellent. But it feels low for the horsepower I THOUGHT I was paying for.. 3dMark Benchmark scores are in the 13000's and avg FPS is around 80-90.

 

I'm also having issues with the bluetooth controller - I cannot for the life of me - no matter what I do with drivers, get the controller to sync over Bluetooth. It connects to my ASUS ROG Laptop just fine - but to this desktop - I have to be hardwired, or I get nothing.

 

So - I would love some advice - Did I just choose overly expensive, and bad hardware? Do I not know how to get the BIOS dialed in right (highly likely)?

Are these motherboards known for having finicky Bluetooth controllers?

 

Fire away!

 

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If you're going to be extremely productive, I suggest getting a 3950X or it's Zen 3 partnered with a high tier X570 motherboard. I suggest the Crosshair VIII X570. You can get a safe stable OC of 4.4 GHz on ALL CORES at 1.33750v

 

And get the RTX3080 instead of 2080Ti. It supports DLSS 3.0 (I beliecve, correct me if I'm wrong) and you can run it with RTX ON in the same time.

 

That's my suggestion.

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2 minutes ago, EridanusSV said:

If you're going to be extremely productive, I suggest getting a 3950X or it's Zen 3 partnered with a high tier X570 motherboard. I suggest the Crosshair VIII X570. You can get a safe stable OC of 4.4 GHz on ALL CORES at 1.33750v

 

And get the RTX3080 instead of 2080Ti. It supports DLSS 3.0 (I beliecve, correct me if I'm wrong) and you can run it with RTX ON in the same time.

 

That's my suggestion.

He is already built his system so unless he can return his components, I think he is stuck with it.

 

@johnsontylerj can you be more specific?

 

1. What specific 3DMark benchmark? Can you share a link of your results?

 

2. What is your framerate and in what games? Is this your average throughout or in specific areas?

 

3. When you say lag, are we right to assume you mean just low fps.

 

4. What specific Bluetooth controller are you using? And what controller?


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Schooling is required.

 

Major issues:

- CPU is not a cutting-edge platform (it's a few years old at this point), and is handily beat out in every metric by the much cheaper AMD 3900X -- If I were you, I'd get the Ryzen 3950X unless you can stomach the extra cost to upgrade to Threadripper.

 

Minor issues:

- GPU was the best you could get a week ago, but the RTX 3080 Just came out and its much better. If you really want to go balls-to-the-wall, get the RTX 3090 coming out in 3 days.

- Personally, I'd get 3600Mhz RAM at least if I were really going all-out, but this isn't a real issue

- You don't really need a 1200W PSU. 750W is more than enough.

 

if you can, I would return the CPU and Motherboard and get a Ryzen 3950X (or if you're an intel person, the 10900K).

Also keep in mind that new Ryzen CPUs are being announced on October 8th, which will be better than anything else I've mentioned here.

 

With all that considered, here's what I would get: (choices for case, storage, psu are mostly arbitrary)

 

 

 


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If I'm wrong, please point it out. I'm always learning & I won't bite.

 

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Desktop:

Delidded Core i7 4770K - GTX 1070 ROG Strix - 16GB DDR3 - Lots of RGB lights I never change

Laptop:

HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 - I lost my pen so I convince myself I don't need it

 

"Sometimes I just buy computer hardware with no practical use for it, maybe I'm weird"

-Galileo Galilei, 1604

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Game performance is greatly affected by clock speed. The i9-9820X has a max turbo speed of 4.1 GHz. This is on the low side by current standards.

 

Have you overclocked the system? Asus motherboards are generally fairly good at finding safe overclocking settings.

 

You might also look into overclocking the gpu.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thanks for the replies folks!

CPU issue - when I was ordering parts - all the CPU's I wanted were on back-order (probably COVID related)  So I always planned on upgrading that - It's a good call-out.  I won't be switching to AMD any time soon.

GPU - yes - I was worried that when I bought the card a few months ago that the new ones would be coming soon.  I didn't wait - my fault.  I'll probably grab a 3090 just because I want one.

 

@DutchGuyTom - Any help/advice here is appreciated!

1 - I'll post when I re-run.  I'm using the time-spy overall system benchmark and getting ~13,500 score. 

2 - Most games running at 4k with max settings come in between 30-50 fps.  I've tried on a couple different monitors with different refresh rates.  But not even getting 60 as the baseline seems "Off" to me.

3 - Yes - sorry not network lag - low FPS.

4 - The Bluetooth unit on the motherboard is an intel model - don't know exactly which one - but I've grabbed the lastest drivers from intel and from Asus and tried both - it wont allow me to connect to either of my xBox One Bluetooth controllers - which are on the latest drivers./firmware - and work on my other computers fine.  

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56 minutes ago, johnsontylerj said:

Thanks for the replies folks!

CPU issue - when I was ordering parts - all the CPU's I wanted were on back-order (probably COVID related)  So I always planned on upgrading that - It's a good call-out.  I won't be switching to AMD any time soon.

I would try and get a 10900K. The 10900K is a solid upgrade over the 9820X for gaming due to the higher clock speeds and overclocking potential. Nevertheless, I wouldn't say your current processor is an issue.

56 minutes ago, johnsontylerj said:

GPU - yes - I was worried that when I bought the card a few months ago that the new ones would be coming soon.  I didn't wait - my fault.  I'll probably grab a 3090 just because I want one.

The 3090 reviews will be out shortly (some randoms on youtube have already benchmarked the thing but I would wait for Linus and other big techtubers to do it). If you've got the money for it, I am sure the 3090 will be an excellent card. If you want to save some money, I would wait for the new AMD graphics cards to come out and/or the rumoured "super" variant of the 3080 which will have far more memory.

56 minutes ago, johnsontylerj said:

Any help/advice here is appreciated!

1 - I'll post when I re-run.  I'm using the time-spy overall system benchmark and getting ~13,500 score. 

2 - Most games running at 4k with max settings come in between 30-50 fps.  I've tried on a couple different monitors with different refresh rates.  But not even getting 60 as the baseline seems "Off" to me.

3 - Yes - sorry not network lag - low FPS.

4 - The Bluetooth unit on the motherboard is an intel model - don't know exactly which one - but I've grabbed the lastest drivers from intel and from Asus and tried both - it wont allow me to connect to either of my xBox One Bluetooth controllers - which are on the latest drivers./firmware - and work on my other computers fine.  

1. According to 3DMark, your score is average for that CPU/GPU combo. See the link here. Upgrading to a 10900K will, according to 3DMark, give you a small boost to performance, especially in the graphics department. 

2. I think your expectations are, unfortunately, not in line with what the 2080 TI can offer. The 2080 Ti is a great 4K graphics card but it won't be able to do more than an average of 60 fps without lowering the settings down significantly. In many AAA games you will have to lower some settings to hit 60 fps at 4K. This is just the limitation of that year's technology but an upgrade to the 3080 will help.

4. It is the Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 chip and I have done a little googling without too much luck (I would recommend you research yourself a little bit). I did notice there is a place for antennas on the I/O of the motherboard so make sure those are attached. For now, I would try and do some of the following basic troubleshooting: (1) try and connect the controllers while standing behind or near the back of the computer to rule out if the issue is merely bad connectivity and/or interference; (2) disable and re-enable the bluetooth controller in the device manager; and (3) rollback to an earlier driver.

 

One final note for gaming performance is that you will likely be fine playing Cyberpunk 2077 on high settings with RT at 4K if you turn on DLSS. No guarantee though.

 

Best of luck!


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Posted · Original PosterOP

@DutchGuyTom - All of your responses make perfect sense - and the only thing on the controller troubleshooting I haven't tried yet - is connecting the antennas...I didn't even think about that.  I always hardwire my gaming machines, and I thought those were just for wifi - so I didn't connect em.  I'm going to try that and report back.

 

On number 2 - that's the schooling I was hoping for.  I needed a re-alignment on my expectations.

 

Thanks again!!

 

Cheers,

 

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I am glad that worked out!

 

I think there's an option to select a "best answer" which can be helpful for anyone who stumbles upon this thread in the future. 

 

Hopefully when Cyberpunk comes out you can fully enjoy it in all of its glory. 


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