i7 8700 non k with 3070

[xReqt]

Hi,

 

as title states will this be good gaming. I will have it 1080p until January then il buy 1440p 144.

 

If not is there a good processor using the same chip so I don't have to change mobo as its brand new.

 

thanks

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, xReqt said:

so I don't have to change mobo as its brand new.

the 8700k is the best cpu you can get on that platform so even if it were bad (it isn't) you wouldn't really have a choice

[xReqt]

@Sauron So do you think It could pair together nicely (nothing overclocked)

 

Specs

 

3070

32GB ddr4 @3000

i7-8700 turbo to 4.2

650w bronze corsair psu

 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

the 8700k is the best cpu you can get on that platform so even if it were bad (it isn't) you wouldn't really have a choice

Jayz found that the 2080ti numbers were like 20% higher than his launch day tests that were on that chip.

OP; there will be a cpu bottle neck, but not a big one. In general, you will always have a bottleneck, just the size will depend on what you chose to do. Also, the bottleneck scan be changed depending on the use case. a more cpu bound game will limit how well your gpu can do.

[xReqt]

@HelpfulTechWizard So I will be good on 1080p until I get a 1440p and it'll reduce the bottleneck?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

13 minutes ago, xReqt said:

@HelpfulTechWizard So I will be good on 1080p until I get a 1440p and it'll reduce the bottleneck?

prob.

[Mister Woof]

36 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Jayz found that the 2080ti numbers were like 20% higher than his launch day tests that were on that chip.

OP; there will be a cpu bottle neck, but not a big one. In general, you will always have a bottleneck, just the size will depend on what you chose to do. Also, the bottleneck scan be changed depending on the use case. a more cpu bound game will limit how well your gpu can do.

He also said that there's generally performance uplift as time goes by

 

blamed it all on the 8700k, despite being only one of two variables

 

and failed to test that variable today

 

Given GN's review of the 10600k being more or less even with the 10900k when overclocked to the same frequency, i'm going to go with he's wrong*

 

 

 

 

*unless security mitigations alone are causing it, or unless the original 2080ti review he did was on a stock 8700k

[xg32]

58 minutes ago, xReqt said:

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if i had to put a number on it, it'd be about a 20% bottleneck on a 1080p/144hz monitor and 10%~ on 1440p

[Sauron]

9 hours ago, xReqt said:

o you think It could pair together nicely (nothing overclocked)

Yes. But again, without a new motherboard you don't really have a choice anyway.

[xReqt]

@Sauron Yeah true I plan on selling my 2070 super so il use that money to get started on a new mobo and processor (R5 3600 should do it fine)

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, xReqt said:

R5 3600 should do it fine

The 8700 is faster than the 3600 so don't waste your money. We all told you your cpus is just fine.

[Mister Woof]

Note the 8700 non-k only runs at 4.3ghz, so if you are looking at performance numbers, generally it will be exactly the same as a stock 8700k.

 

So look here at the stock 8700k data

 

 

[xReqt]

@Sauron I was under the impression 20% bottleneck isn't ok. anyhow thanks to all.

[Mister Woof]

12 minutes ago, xReqt said:

@Sauron I was under the impression 20% bottleneck isn't ok. anyhow thanks to all.

idk where the hell this keeps going around, is it just jayztwocents offhand remark with no evidence?

 

because I just posted data that shows there isn't a 20% bottleneck with the 2080ti, even on a stock 8700k(or nonk)

 

The question isn't "Is the 8700 enough", it's "is 6/12 enough", and that applies to every CPU.

 

[xReqt]

@Mister Woof Alright cheers bud. I didn't watch the youtube video as of yet as I am quite busy planning builds/upgrades. I plan on getting the 3070 and calling it at that leaving it for least 3 years I assume for 2 years it shouldn't have issues running the 144fps I need. Then I think nvidia's new cards will come out during the 3rd year in which il sell my build and purchase a new. Once again thanks.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, xReqt said:

@Mister Woof Alright cheers bud. I didn't watch the youtube video as of yet as I am quite busy planning builds/upgrades. I plan on getting the 3070 and calling it at that leaving it for least 3 years I assume for 2 years it shouldn't have issues running the 144fps I need. Then I think nvidia's new cards will come out during the 3rd year in which il sell my build and purchase a new. Once again thanks.

if 3070 == 2080 ti, then you should see similar results as shown in the video.

[xReqt]

@Mister Woof Alright cool

[maizenblue]

If you didnt already buy it I would go with the K version unless theres a huge price difference. The K has a higher base and boost clock speed in addition to whatever you OC, and clock speed matters in gaming for Intel processors.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

If you didnt already buy it I would go with the K version unless theres a huge price difference. The K has a higher base and boost clock speed in addition to whatever you OC, and clock speed matters in gaming for Intel processors.

They're run at exactly the same frequency at stock values - only get the K if you plan to OC (which you should).

[05032-Mendicant-Bias]

I have a i7 8700 too and upgraded the monitor to 1440p144Hz as well. Hopefully my RTX3080 will arrive soon.

I made some research, and the 8700 is still very competent. Six cores/twelve threads are good, not many games take advantage of eight core/sixteen thread. Frequencies are still good too if not stellar. Overall it's a good gaming CPU imo.

 

Bottleneck will depend on the games you play. I expect to become slightly CPU bound in cyberpunk 2077, but I can live with that. Total War Warhammer is CPU intensive, so CPU bottleneck there for sure. Third person shooters tend to be more GPU heavy, but I don't play many of them.

 

For a 3070, I would just keep that CPU. You can make sure you have your DDR XMP profile enabled in the bios to make sure you are getting the full performance if you have more than 2400 of DDR speed.

[xReqt]

46 minutes ago, 05032-Mendicant-Bias said:

I have a i7 8700 too and upgraded the monitor to 1440p144Hz as well. Hopefully my RTX3080 will arrive soon.

I made some research, and the 8700 is still very competent. Six cores/twelve threads are good, not many games take advantage of eight core/sixteen thread. Frequencies are still good too if not stellar. Overall it's a good gaming CPU imo.

 

Bottleneck will depend on the games you play. I expect to become slightly CPU bound in cyberpunk 2077, but I can live with that. Total War Warhammer is CPU intensive, so CPU bottleneck there for sure. Third person shooters tend to be more GPU heavy, but I don't play many of them.

 

For a 3070, I would just keep that CPU. You can make sure you have your DDR XMP profile enabled in the bios to make sure you are getting the full performance if you have more than 2400 of DDR speed.

Yeah ive got a z390 board running the 16gb at 2933 according to task manager thanks for the reassurance I just hope to play games at 144+ on low to medium settings such as warzone.  @05032-Mendicant-Bias

[maizenblue]

21 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

They're run at exactly the same frequency at stock values - only get the K if you plan to OC (which you should).

Really? That's odd, I always thought the non K version of intel processors usually had lower factory clocks and even less cache or something. 

 

Quote

 

The Intel Core i7-8700 is a high-end desktop processor with six cores based on the Coffee Lake architecture and was announced in September 2017. The processor clocks at between 3.2 and 4.6 GHz.

 

The Intel Core i7-8700K is a high-end desktop processor with six cores based on the Coffee Lake architecture and was announced in September 2017. The processor clocks at between 3.7 and 4.7 GHz and can execute

 

Granted thats less a difference than I thought, but still a difference. 

[Mister Woof]

23 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

Really? That's odd, I always thought the non K version of intel processors usually had lower factory clocks and even less cache or something. 

 

Granted thats less a difference than I thought, but still a difference. 

They will never ever run at max single core boost.

 

Both chips at stock run at 4.3ghz all core all the time in real life as long as cooling is sufficient. Using a Z board will further remove any turbo limit durations on either chip and allow fast ram making them perform nearly identically. They also have the same cache size.

 

I have both chips and can confirm. It's always worth getting a Z board for intel chips, regardless if using a k or non k chip.