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BOTS ruin 3080 launch

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I hope I can get a 3070 past the checkout when it launches.


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2 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Why are people angry at Nvidia for something they can't control?

Some shops here in Sweden have limited the number of RTX 30 cards you are allowed to order so clearly shops like Newegg could have done that if they cared about who bought the cards, but they clearly don't. They get paid regardless.

 

And I don't think you can blame Nvidia for not enforcing that type of policy either. 

Nvidia sells cards directly from its own website. 

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Just now, spartaman64 said:

i see microcenter has some in stock in some of their physical stores but the two near me do not.

The doors open in 30 minutes and 1 hour 30 minutes for stores in central and eastern US and I'm sure all of them have a line of more scalpers customers waiting outside accounting for all the cards in stock. All of the ones in western and mountain time are sold out.


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10 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

It's almost like this exact same thing happened during the 20 series launch, and somehow people didn't expect it to happen again.

 

But that would be ridiculous.

Yes, as well as the 10 series. The FE was instantly sold out on Nvidia's website.


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2 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Why are people angry at Nvidia for something they can't control?

Some shops here in Sweden have limited the number of RTX 30 cards you are allowed to order so clearly shops like Newegg could have done that if they cared about who bought the cards, but they clearly don't. They get paid regardless.

 

And I don't think you can blame Nvidia for not enforcing that type of policy either. 

they could maybe have tried to have enough supply for a real launch

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In other news, water is wet. More at 11.

 

Seriously though, anybody who actually expected to get one was being hugely optimistic. The chances of a pleb getting hold of one at launch for retail is astronomical.


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Makes sense with how much tax free money you can make off mining with these cards


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1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

they could maybe have tried to have enough supply for a real launch

That would have been hilarious, watching all the scalpers desperately try to flip the cards while everyone who wanted one was buying it from retailers.

 

It would never happen because warehouse space is a thing, but it would be hilarious.


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2 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Why wouldn't they? Money is money to them and the best part is when the cards do come back in stock they'll have the second wave that couldn't buy them at first and waited for the cards. So only more money.

your right there shouldn't be any criticisms about practices. Never has any store had any bad practices that affect its customers or workers as long as they make money. Predatory pricing or Market manipulation those shouldn't be talked about since the store still made its money amirite? /end lol

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17 minutes ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

NVIDIA and other companies need to start working with Ebay to stop the reselling of their products and absurd prices.

And people who say that this is common sense and that everyone knew this would happen honestly need to shut it. This is IRL, not a game with fixed rules and therefore we can make laws and rules to make the world a little less trash. Using a bot or being lucky to buy one should not entitle you to make $1K profit though I assume most people posting here defending this probably frequently do this at every launch and don't want this to stop.

Ebay should be stopping people from selling pre-orders, because they're just selling a chance at getting one, just because someone pre-ordered it doesn't mean they're guaranteed to get a card. But these companies don't care as long as they're getting money.

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5 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

Nvidia sells cards directly from its own website. 

That's fair criticism. 

If it happened on Nvidia's own store then I get that people are pissed. A lot of people seems pissed at Nvidia for the cards being sold out in other stores though.

 

 

5 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

they could maybe have tried to have enough supply for a real launch

What do you mean? Would you rather they delayed the launch and just had a bunch of cards sitting in a warehouse until the supply reached some arbitrary limit and then released them? That's probably what they already did and they still didn't last. Saying that they should have delayed the launch to try and get a bigger supply is basically just saying "I didn't get one so therefore nobody should be allowed to have one".

You waiting a month until the supply has stabilized or Nvidia having the cards in a warehouse for 1 month more makes no difference to you. 

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10 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

Nvidia sells cards directly from its own website. 

 

3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

That's fair criticism. 

If it happened on Nvidia's own store then I get that people are pissed. A lot of people seems pissed at Nvidia for the cards being sold out in other stores though.

 

 

What do you mean? Would you rather they delayed the launch and just had a bunch of cards sitting in a warehouse until the supply reached some arbitrary limit and then released them? That's probably what they already did and they still didn't last. Saying that they should have delayed the launch to try and get a bigger supply is basically just saying "I didn't get one so therefore nobody should be allowed to have one".

You waiting a month until the supply has stabilized or Nvidia having the cards in a warehouse for 1 month more makes no difference to you. 

nvidia never listed any cards on their own store. a botter told us it went directly from upcoming to sold out LUL

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The launch of every single high demand tech product works exactly that way. Just expected, and there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it.


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In india the card isn't even launching until october according to retailers. 


 

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1 minute ago, GodSeph said:

your right there shouldn't be any criticisms about practices. Never has any store had any bad practices that affect its customers or workers as long as they make money. Predatory pricing or Market manipulation those shouldn't be talked about since the store still made its money amirite? /end lol

That's not even remotely the same thing. Predatory pricing and market manipulation are deliberate acts on the part of the retailer to make money at the expense of their customers. In this case their only fault is having shoddy bot detection. It's basically impossible to distinguish a bot buying a product from a human buying it, and stuff like captcha is spotty at best.

 

I'm not saying retailers shouldn't be criticized, but there isn't much they could have done here.


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6 minutes ago, GodSeph said:

your right there shouldn't be any criticisms about practices. Never has any store had any bad practices that affect its customers or workers as long as they make money. Predatory pricing or Market manipulation those shouldn't be talked about since the store still made its money amirite? /end lol

I'm not saying it's good. I'm just stating their logic as to why without an outside force making them they will not change their practices.

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24 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

It's almost like this exact same thing happened during the 20 series launch, and somehow people didn't expect it to happen again.

 

But that would be ridiculous.

It's almost as if people expect to learn out of mistakes.
But accourding to your comment, thats apparently ridiculous.


 

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14 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

And I don't think you can blame Nvidia for not enforcing that type of policy either. 

The hell I can't!

 

I absolutely blame Nvidia for their poor site design/ bot mitigation/ policy. Its bad business. They would have sold the cards either way but now if their customers want one its double the price. That is shity customer experience.

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37 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

This. Also, part of these flippers are just salty 2080Ti buyers that got shagged way up the tailpipe with a telegraph pole :D

 

Oi, as a 2080Ti owner i resent that comment. Not all of us are super salty. I'd be lying if the 30 series being so much cheaper and faster at the same time didn't sting a touch. But I've got and will continue to get plenty of use out of my 2080Ti and i was willing to pay the price going in so whatever.As the saying goes somtimes you get the bear, somtimes the bear gets you.

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I think this fits here pefectly now, just replace eyePhone with RTX 3080

 

 

Also looking at those ebay prices....

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You can probably now sell your 2080ti for a cheap $3k or $2k for 1080ti :P

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6 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

I'm not saying retailers shouldn't be criticized

my original post was criticizing them where I was told I shouldnt lol. that post was a troll saying that you can...

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1 minute ago, Aspryin said:

The hell I can't!

 

I absolutely blame Nvidia for their poor site design/ bot mitigation/ policy. Its bad business. They would have sold the cards either way but now if their customers want one its double the price. That is shity customer experience.

according to botters the nvidia website never sold any LUL

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7 minutes ago, jaslion said:

I'm not saying it's good. I'm just stating their logic as to why without an outside force making them they will not change their practices.

thats why I posted that. Technically they made their money which is fine business wise but not always best practice. I'm only criticizing allowing every single one from every store being purchased by farms. I dont even have a way to see how to stop this from happening as bot purchases are smart and make it look like normal people buying. As for me Memory express saved some for ONLY in store purchase so im getting a 3080 anyways...

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11 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Ebay should be stopping people from selling pre-orders

They don't care as long as they get a cut from it...

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1 minute ago, GodSeph said:

thats why I posted that. Technically they made their money which is fine business wise but not always best practice. I'm only criticizing allowing every single one from every store being purchased by farms. I dont even have a way to see how to stop this from happening as bot purchases are smart and make it look like normal people buying. As for me Memory express saved some for ONLY in store purchase so im getting a 3080 anyways...

Google captcha + limited purchases for each account + only x a address + session checks would stop a lot of this trouble.

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