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3080 benchmarks are in! Are they good?

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3 minutes ago, porina said:

I laugh at the so called bottlenecks. It was never a great way of thinking unless you're ludicrously unbalanced, but any consumer 6 core since coffee lake or zen 2 should be fine for any regular gamer with a 3080. I propose the "good enough" decision on if if you should pair a CPU and GPU together. In short, both have to be good enough to do what you want it to do. That's it. It doesn't matter if one is limiting the other as long as it reaches the performance target.

You can have bottlenecks though that aren't desirable (for ex 2200g and gtx 1060) but in the case of 3xxx I'd rather see it as "reserve" as long you have a decent CPU (3600 and up)


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16 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

900 series -> 1000 series

Nah this is never coming back, not with conventional tech. Moore's law (or rather the inevitable death thereof)  is a real thing and not just a meme .


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1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Nah this is never coming back, not with conventional tech. Moore's law (or rather the inevitable death thereof)  is a real thing and not just a meme .

I mean...is this not already happening with 2000 -> 3000.  The 3080 is already about 30% better than a 2080Ti so 50-60%  that happened from the 980Ti to the 1080Ti) is plausible for 2080Ti vs 3090?


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2 hours ago, Consul said:

Wouldn't my CPU bottleneck the 3080 though? Why would it also be the other way around?

If we're talking macro level performance, there is ALWAYS a bottleneck somewhere. It's impossible to have every frame rendered with equal load on every part. 

Most of the talking about "bottlenecking" came from people pairing a top end part with a lower end part. If you have a midrange CPU (think 6C/12T) it's perfectly fine to pair it with a high end card. Sure, you're leaving some of the card's performance on the table, but not THAT much. 
 

 

 

The very fact that there's a 60-100% uplift in benchmarks with the faster video cards means that the CPUs aren't the main slow part in most cases. 

 

 

As an experiment - take your CPU, underclock it to 2Ghz and tell me if it's not still usable. 


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My 2-cents.

You can't just compare the TFLOPS numbers; 2x TFLOPS =/= 2x real life performance.

RTX 3070 > RTX 2080 Ti because TFLOPS numbers...cuz nVidia said so...

 

RTX 3080 still a decent card, though.


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3 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

You can have bottlenecks though that aren't desirable (for ex 2200g and gtx 1060) but in the case of 3xxx I'd rather see it as "reserve" as long you have a decent CPU (3600 and up)

I guess the biggest things I hate about "bottleneck" posts are two fold:

1, the same "bottleneck" wont happen in all possible variations of settings. You have to define the test case.

2, for some reason it is better for the GPU to be limiting, not the CPU.

 

I can kinda understand #2 if you're doing a tight budget build, where you probably want to overspend on one part or the other.  The first part is usually not well defined, and varies enough with game title even if you pick a resolution and quality class target.

 

While on the topic, the other one people have been flooding the forum with is the PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 question. It was linked somewhere earlier in the thread, but TechPowerUp did the testing, and we're looking around 1% difference. It is really not something to be concerned about. They have also done testing putting red and blue CPUs against each other, specifically 3900XT and 10900k. In short, red is still behind on average. 10% down at 1080p, 7% down at 1440p, and near enough parity at 4k. The PCIe speed difference is nothing in comparison.


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2 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

My 2-cents.

You can't just compare the TFLOPS numbers; 2x TFLOPS =/= 2x real life performance.

RTX 3070 = RTX 2080 Ti because TFLOPS numbers...smh

 

RTX 3080 still a decent card, though.

I think it's a much better measurement than reviews or benchmarks because both inevitably will be biased in one way or another (and not even necessarily on purpose).

 

 

The fact that you don't get 2x in-game performance with 2x TF is something one should know though I agree.

 

 (Though, you do, "in theory"). :)

5 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

2080Ti vs 3090?

Shouldn't the 3090 be compared to the RTX Titan though?


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I recently upgraded to a 1440p 144hz monitor, and my 2070 is struggling even without any RTX games yet. I think I might spring for a 3080 and try to get some resell value for my old card, thankfully my CPU isn't a bottleneck at all. 


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1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Shouldn't the 3090 be compared to the RTX Titan though?

I am rather curious as to the VII/2080 Ti/RTX Quadro 6000/RTX Quadro 8000/RTX Titan/3080/3090 differences in pro work like game assest creation via blender and maya with real time workloads rather than synth benches like blenchmark.


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8 minutes ago, Xaiux said:

I recently upgraded to a 1440p 144hz monitor, and my 2070 is struggling even without any RTX games yet. I think I might spring for a 3080 and try to get some resell value for my old card, thankfully my CPU isn't a bottleneck at all. 

A 3080 would do.   I play AAA titles rather well on a 1440p 165hz monitor with a 2080 Ti.


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14 minutes ago, porina said:

I guess the biggest things I hate about "bottleneck" posts are two fold:

1, the same "bottleneck" wont happen in all possible variations of settings. You have to define the test case.

2, for some reason it is better for the GPU to be limiting, not the CPU.

 

I can kinda understand #2 if you're doing a tight budget build, where you probably want to overspend on one part or the other.  The first part is usually not well defined, and varies enough with game title even if you pick a resolution and quality class target.

 

While on the topic, the other one people have been flooding the forum with is the PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 question. It was linked somewhere earlier in the thread, but TechPowerUp did the testing, and we're looking around 1% difference. It is really not something to be concerned about. They have also done testing putting red and blue CPUs against each other, specifically 3900XT and 10900k. In short, red is still behind on average. 10% down at 1080p, 7% down at 1440p, and near enough parity at 4k. The PCIe speed difference is nothing in comparison.

just adding on this, i think for last gen we were able to somewhat recommend a 3300x/3600 up to a 2070S. For this gen it's important to note that every cpu can bottleneck a 3080 under 4k, and even sometimes at 4k. We need faster cpus, waiting for zen 3 will make your 700usd gpu run faster.

 

Here's some key point i saw

 

In general performance was ~20% faster

RT on it jumps to about 25-30%

CPU bottleneck is severe in some cases

PCIE bottleneck =1%

If doing a new build, wait for zen 3.

I looked at the 3090 specs again and am now expecting the 3090 to be 25% faster than a 3080

3070 will take the price to performance crown, but the 3080 is king for now

 

Just waiting on the hero that buys a 3080 to use with a 1080p/144hz monitor to play RT on/DLSS off.

 


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36 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

You can't just compare the TFLOPS numbers; 2x TFLOPS =/= 2x real life performance

For gaming? no

compute? yes

I have programs which scale perfectly with memory speed all the way from a HD6970 to a GTX1080. Partly the reason why the failed Radeon VII was for some applications good value.

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2 hours ago, Consul said:

 

I guess that makes sense. Would it look any good though?

 

Wouldn't my CPU bottleneck the 3080 though? Why would it also be the other way around?

No, your CPU is fine enough. No need to worry. Just use DSR and crank up the resolution to 1440p or even 2160p if your GPU can handle it.

Currently using my i7 4770 and GTX1080Ti and I too use DSR. No problems.

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3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Would be nice if they compared RTX 3080 to GTX 1080Ti since those people are most likely to be doing upgrades, realistically...

You can reuse the 2080 numbers for that. Either that or 5700. 


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Part of me wants to just grab RTX 3080 and call it a day and my other part of me wants to wait for RX 6000 series and better general availability. The only problem is Cyberpunk 2077 getting released in the meanwhile and I'd really like to play it all maxed out with ray tracing and all that stuff. Also given the amount of raw compute horsepower should help me run RTGI ReShade shader easier on non RTX games since it's done through regular shaders. Argh.

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5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Would be nice if they compared RTX 3080 to GTX 1080Ti since those people are most likely to be doing upgrades, realistically...

GN compared it in their review. 3080 is about 70-90% faster at 1440p and 4k. Looking like a nice upgrade for those of us on 1080Ti that smelled the 20 series scam from a mile away. I'll just be kicking back and waiting to see what AMD does and for stock to stabilize.

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I haven't followed the entire conversation on bottlenecks but what @xg32 said makes me want to chime in. 

 

The way I understand bottlenecking to work is as follows. If your CPU can push X amounts of frames to the GPU, you only need a GPU that can render that many frames. At higher resolutions and graphical fidelity, the impact on the CPU's ability to push frames and on the GPU's ability to render those frames is disproportional (with the impact being greater on the GPU). As a result, the CPU is almost always the limiting factor at 1080p and the GPU at 4K.

 

Add to this that game development over time will generally push graphic card requirements more than CPU requirements. This means that GPUs are generally outdated faster than CPU's and a significant CPU bottleneck today will be reduced over time. 

 

Finally, each game and genre has different priorities and is optimized differently. So what is a bottleneck in one AAA game is not necessarily as much of a bottleneck in another AAA game.

 

Finally, most CPU bottleneck occur in the high end of framerates. While a 3080 could do 120 fps in a hypothetical game, your 7700K may only let it hit 90 fps. That is not great, but you are still above 60 fps. While if you were pairing a 1080 with a 10900k, the 1080 will likely perform much worse than the 3080. 

 

All of this leads me to say that if someone is worried about bottlenecking, they need to keep in mind that there is no way to predict a bottleneck. In my opinion, if you have a half decent CPU, a GPU upgrade will give you more performance in gaming over the long run and in most games. Whereas a top-end CPU with only a half decent GPU will likely do worse in the long run.


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15 minutes ago, DutchGuyTom said:

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for last geni don't have the detailed math anymore but if there's a budget limit then 3600 was almost always the choice as a better gpu will give more performance, once we go into a 2080S territory, it gets very interesting on whether u wanna go from a 3600 to a 10600k for the extra performance for 150usd~ more (cpu cooler+cpu cost diff), i almost never recommended a 3700x but that's just me. There's also a meme that a 3600+2080 ti is about the same as a 10600k +2080S in some use cases.

 

Another to look at bottlenecks is to base off the top cpus atm, most of the time 10600k/10700k has the same gaming performance as a 10900k, so for most people those are enough, when i talk about bottlenecks in those scenario it's really how much slower X cpu is compared to at least a 10600k on a given resolution/frame rate, for a 700dollar gpu i'd really not skip the 150usd difference between a 3600 and a 10600k and lose ~10% performance. For older cpu, just compare them to a 10600k or 10700k to see the % bottleneck, at least with a number users will get an idea of how much they lose instead of just "fine, a little bit, severe"

 

The tom's link is awesome, thanks @SolarNova 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-cpu-scaling-benchmarks

 

It's good that we now know the pci-e 3.0 bottleneck is 1-2% so we can throw that out the window for the 3080 at least.

 

I'm excited for zen 3 now that we know that the current cpus are all too slow for the 3080 in some ways. 


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9 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

They do every time. Hence why I tell people Wait for the goddamn benchmarks.

 

Now people may or may not get appropriately hyped for these cards. 

i have exactly 0 sympathy for people that preordered any of the 30xx cards and now feel like they don't live up to the hype because they listened to the marketing, stop listening to the marketing, WTF


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You know what even more interesting...

 

Ethereum hash rates.

 

The 3080 is roughly the same as a Radeon 7, but the R7 uses slightly less power and will have already paid for itself for those that have them now.

 

So this worry about miners buying up the 3080's may not be as big a problem as we may think. If they are smart ..which is ...questionable.. .they would stick with their current R7's.


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Can’t lie I’m disappointed with the numbers at 1440p. A 2080 super avg 107 fps vs 3080 154fps. I can’t see spending $700 when I’m already over 100fps in most of my games already. 
 

This is a good improvement that we needed to see with 4k trying to be the thing now a days. I’m happy that we are seeing playable framerates at 4k instead of the 40-60 numbers we had before. 
 

 I’ll stick with my $250 rtx 2080 super that I bought when people panic sold cards after the reveal. It still does the job just fine on my 1440p 144hz monitor. 
 

To everyone that buys this, I hope you enjoy your card. I myself can’t spend the money and will wait til the rtx4000 series comes out when ray tracing should really be a thing in games and not some random ass add on some developers put in games 


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4 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

$250 rtx 2080 super

Wow! That is one incredible deal right there


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22 minutes ago, Hymenopus_Coronatus said:

Wow! That is one incredible deal right there

Yeah it’s an evga xc ultra that was purchased in November so it still has over 2 years of warranty on it. I went from a 2060 super to the 2080 super. I play games that ran fine on the 2060 super so I don’t need to upgrade. 
 

Maybe in the next year or two we’ll get affordable 4k 144hz monitors. 


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