AMD annouces RDNA2 and Zen3 dates

[VeganJoy]

4 minutes ago, SnakeEater said:

Might be a dumb question, but do they typically release the new motherboards (x670) at about the same time the new CPUs come out?

Just now, GDRRiley said:

yes they do

wait isnt x570 the last series of mobos for am4/ddr4? thought x670 was gonna be a whole new socket on ddr5

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

An announcement of an announcement? So AMD is the Atlus of hardware?

[S w a t s o n]

Fuck off AMD. You make us wait this long just to tease the announcement of an announcement that is long over due. You fucking make us wait a month after zen 3 to get any details on radeon 6000, meanwhile nvidia has launched 3000 series a month earlier.

 

Fuck RTG. Fuck their meme shit. Clearly when they said we'd get the new shit before consoles came out they meant literally days. Because they know that xbox and sony are their real graphics customers. Fuck anyone wanting a discrete card.

 

I'm not waiting for Big Navi at this point. I'll order RTX 3000 and resell if big navi seems worth. Doesnt seem that way yet.

[GDRRiley]

8 minutes ago, VeganJoy said:

wait isnt x570 the last series of mobos for am4/ddr4? thought x670 was gonna be a whole new socket on ddr5

 

I can't remember. MSI will be making X570 max version if they do to show that they for sure have the latest bios

 

4 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Fuck off AMD. You make us wait this long just to tease the announcement of an announcement that is long over due. You fucking make us wait a month after zen 3 to get any details on radeon 6000, meanwhile nvidia has launched 3000 series a month earlier.

 

Fuck RTG. Fuck their meme shit. Clearly when they said we'd get the new shit before consoles came out they meant literally days. Because they know that xbox and sony are their real graphics customers. Fuck anyone wanting a discrete card.

 

I'm not waiting for Big Navi at this point. I'll order RTX 3000 and resell if big navi seems worth. Doesnt seem that way yet.

its a dam paper launch for the RTX 3000. good luck getting any there are ~10k 3090s woldwide. some small countries are getting single digits
its not a month its 2 weeks, they make way more money on every GPU than on the PS5/xbox. they make even more from server GPUs

[S w a t s o n]

13 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

I can't remember. MSI will be making X570 max version if they do to show that they for sure have the latest bios

 

its a dam paper launch for the RTX 3000. good luck getting any there are ~10k 3090s woldwide. some small countries are getting single digits
its not a month its 2 weeks, they make way more money on every GPU than on the PS5/xbox. they make even more from server GPUs

It's more than 2 weeks. This is the announcement we talking about. So Nvidia had their announcement and then launch 2 weeks later. So if we apply similar timeframe, it's at nearly TWO MONTHS  from rtx on markets to big navi on markets or maybe longer? who know yet? Why should I assume big navi will have better avail? Samsung 8nm has lots of capacity but yields aint great. N7P or N7+ are pretty capacity limited but yield great. Seems to even out to me.

[porina]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

its a dam paper launch for the RTX 3000. good luck getting any there are ~10k 3090s woldwide.

Why obsess over the 3090 that is a niche card? The enthusiast masses will get 3070/3080. Also, where is that number even from? 

 

Anyway, I see AMD's "date for a date" in two ways. 1, it was always their plan, and/or 2, it is to encourage those on the fence about which next gen GPU to get to hold out and see their offering than grabbing the first nvidia card before that.

[S w a t s o n]

1 minute ago, porina said:

Anyway, I see AMD's "date for a date" in two ways. 1, it was always their plan, and/or 2, it is to encourage those on the fence about which next gen GPU to get to hold out and see their offering than grabbing the first nvidia card before that.

I think that really backfired. Based on my anecdotal evidence of how it changed my opinion from wait and see to buy rtx 3000 on launch. Doesnt look like the AMD sub is very happy either. I doubt normies care enough either way, i dont think it would make someone wait. If they had announcement this month, before or right after RTX, sure.

[Blademaster91]

11 minutes ago, porina said:

Why obsess over the 3090 that is a niche card? The enthusiast masses will get 3070/3080. Also, where is that number even from? 

 

Anyway, I see AMD's "date for a date" in two ways. 1, it was always their plan, and/or 2, it is to encourage those on the fence about which next gen GPU to get to hold out and see their offering than grabbing the first nvidia card before that.

Well I doubt theres going to be any 3080 cards available for a few months because at launch cards sell out fast, and given the amount of hype 3000 series is getting they'll probably be out of stock for a while, and AIB cards usually come later.

I think it doesn't really matter if AMD launches later, people are going to buy the RTX 3000 cards anyway.

[GDRRiley]

15 minutes ago, porina said:

Why obsess over the 3090 that is a niche card? The enthusiast masses will get 3070/3080. Also, where is that number even from?

because it shows how bad samsungs yields are.

[VeganJoy]

Just now, porina said:

Anyway, I see AMD's "date for a date" in two ways. 1, it was always their plan, and/or 2, it is to encourage those on the fence about which next gen GPU to get to hold out and see their offering than grabbing the first nvidia card before that.

its late enough that ill probably try and get my hands on a 3070 or something, supply should be such that i can resell it easily if rdna 2 turns out to be good. the 3080 only having 10gb vram makes me wary, id prefer not to sell the damn thing in a few months for a ti or super or whatever bs

 

1 minute ago, S w a t s o n said:

I think that really backfired. Based on my anecdotal evidence of how it changed my opinion from wait and see to buy rtx 3000 on launch. Doesnt look like the AMD sub is very happy either. I doubt normies care enough either way, i dont think it would make someone wait. If they had announcement this month, before or right after RTX, sure.

exactly my thoughts, plus nvidia just seems to have a lot invested with developers and such. rtx has a good foothold in raytracing development so games supporting raytracing will probably favor nvidia performance-wise, rtx io seems really nice and im sure theyll incentivise devs incorporating that into games, rtx voice is nice, nvenc is last gen but still good, lots of things that arent specific to games but are still big selling points. ill keep an eye out for whatever the 6900xt ends up being but i find it unlikely that theyll match nvidia's variety of features

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

I'm just saying even if it comes close to 3070 or 3080 but 50$ less, it would be still missing DLSS, raytracing support, shadow play, rtx voice,gsync. the new reflex tech, broadcast and so many things that amd wouldn't have it vertically integrated, at that point i rather spend a 50 more for those features right? 

the way i see it, they have to outperform nvidia and price the same or less if they are missing those many things i use.

[Valentyn]

Looking for that 4950X to replace my 5820K! Gimme gimme!

 

Dwarf Fortress with a million year old world needs it!

[S w a t s o n]

18 minutes ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

I'm just saying even if it comes close to 3070 or 3080 but 50$ less, it would be still missing raytracing support,

No it wont be missing raytracing, they will announce it in October. it's already confirmed to be part of the architecture of the CUs as shown in the consoles. AMD does need to price more aggressively than they did with the 5700xt though. They are missing some features that Nvidia has and the driver stack just isnt as good.

[KaitouX]

Why are people acting like announcing the announcement isn't something that basically every company does at this point? As far as I know it's not like AMD had promised to release the GPUs together with Nvidia, so I don't really see the issue here, particularly when considering that only Polaris was released closer to the Nvidia equivalent ever since GCN 1.0 in 2012. AMD(TSMC) having to supply Zen 3 and RDNA2 for desktop, and Zen 2+RDNA2 for the consoles at the same time probably doesn't make it any easier to launch them.

 

27 minutes ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

it would be still missing raytracing support, shadow play, rtx voice,gsync.

RT will be on RDNA2, pretty sure AMD does have a Shadow Play equivalent, and they also have FreeSync(the more popular "Sync", AKA G-Sync Compatible).

[jasonc_01]

3 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Frank Azor teased that there was going to be something announced.

 

Turns out it was a teaser for an announcement that there will be an announcement on the 28th Oct for RDNA 2 .

 

AMD loves to disappoint it seems.

 

I guess all those comments about AMDs marketing department being terrible are true lol.

If and AMD had balls and the confidence in RDNA2 to really take on Nvidia they would announce it next week before the 3080 goes on sale. Give buyers another option right before the launch, that would be a confident shot across the bow.

 

October launch sounds like they can only compete with the mid range, but we'll off of the 3080. 

 

This is kind of a bummer. I was hoping AMD would have a real competitor for the 3080 and force Nvidia to drop a slightly cut down 3090  with Less VRAM as a 3080ti at the $1000 price point.

 

Oh well at least AMD didn't hype it up this tome

[porina]

1 hour ago, Blademaster91 said:

Well I doubt theres going to be any 3080 cards available for a few months because at launch cards sell out fast, and given the amount of hype 3000 series is getting they'll probably be out of stock for a while, and AIB cards usually come later.

That's a contradiction in itself. I know what you mean, but you can't say there aren't any cards because they're selling fast. I guess you mean there wont be cards always available, except perhaps some stores that may decide to price high. 

 

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

because it shows how bad samsungs yields are.

Where is that from? Sounds like a stretch based on incomplete information.

[SolarNova]

5 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

 I was hoping AMD would have a real competitor for the 3080 and force Nvidia to drop a slightly cut down 3090  with Less VRAM as a 3080ti at the $1000 price point.

 

Still amazes me how easily people are manipulated.

 

Are you really HOPING to have to pay $1000 for a X80ti card.

 

I cant believe I actually have to say this to as many people as i've had to.

The x80ti cards are the $700 price tier cards.

When Nvidia launches X80 cards before x80ti cards, and when the x80ti cards do eventually come out the 'normal' (as in what they have done every previous gen prior to the 20 series) thing to do is to drop in the x80ti at the current x80 price, and then drop the price of the cards below it.

 

If Nvidia does release a 3080ti it 'should' come in at $700, while the 3080 drops down to around $500. Thats what they have done historically, to do otherwise is a big FU to the consumers. They'll overcharge if they think they can get away with it, and comments like those quoted DO NOT HELP US.

 

Dont ASK to pay more. Thats stupid.

[cj09beira]

3 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Frank Azor teased that there was going to be something announced.

 

Turns out it was a teaser for an announcement that there will be an announcement on the 28th Oct for RDNA 2 .

 

AMD loves to disappoint it seems.

 

I guess all those comments about AMDs marketing department being terrible are true lol.

how tragic, amd isn't 100% synced with nvidia, come on guys that means jack shit.

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

We'll see how this goes. I will reserve judgement - it's always possible for a massive generational improvement (especially if RDNA2 is actually a second generation, rather than simply "Big Navi").

people called it big navi simply because it will have bigger dies, they talked about 50% better perf/w and the console's performance show that is the case.

3 hours ago, SolarNova said:

Some discussion i've seen over a 80CU Biggest Navi is that it may simply be less inviting for AMD to even release such a GPU, especially to the consumer market.

They can make multiple smaller GPUs out of that massive die which would give them greater profits.

 

That said, some people have worked out that with possible % increases in all areas of improvement and the massive 80CU size, it could easily match a 3090 and be cheaper.

 

here's hoping ..but not expecting.

i dont think amd has any plans not to release the card because amd wants to compete in the high end like lisa su said, even if they dont sell many of them, with huawei out of tsmc i dont think amd has problems with getting enough waffers

2 hours ago, YT_DomDaBomb20 said:

everyone is so damn surprised, everything i was told always indicated a release of rdna2 in november, now everyone is like "WOW WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT AMD SUCKS"

we have known for a a while their cards would launch later, people are weird sometimes.

2 hours ago, Exty said:

we got dates of announcements and because they are not trying to compete with nvidia's launch tells me that they will be attacking the mainstream cards again, meaning the gpu launch from amd has nothing to offer for my price range. CPUS on the other hand are cool and all but the real upgrade will start with am5 because why would you want to get am4 when there is no upgrade after these new ones 

have you gave any thought to the fact that maybe amd and nvidia aren't running on the same clock, why should their launches time frame have to coincide 

2 hours ago, VeganJoy said:

nvidia's board partners seem to be launching their cards alongside the founders launch timing, can we expect that from amd's side too? also, never actually bought an amd card, who are some good AIBs? only thing that's caught my eye is the 5700xt nitro plus so hopefully sapphire has another great looking nitro for this gen

usually amd sells their own cards for a bit, partly because aibs cant keep their mouths shut and amd wants to keep nvidia in the dark as to their plans.

as to which card is best for amd ones, i would recommend Sapphire about all others, i used to be a asus fan but their quality has been going down and their prices are completely stupid.

1 hour ago, SnakeEater said:

Might be a dumb question, but do they typically release the new motherboards (x670) at about the same time the new CPUs come out?

usually yes but with this launch who knows, as it should be the last main launch for am4 so amd might not want to make a new chipset when there aren't many changes from x570 worth implementing.

 

 

 

i really dont get why people would be disappointed with this, its right in line with all info we had, we got many ampere leaks in the last month showing that it was close to launch and very few from the amd side so it was obvious it would launch later, do you want performance a month before launch, thought people hated paper launches.

 

[Blademaster91]

7 minutes ago, porina said:

That's a contradiction in itself. I know what you mean, but you can't say there aren't any cards because they're selling fast. I guess you mean there wont be cards always available, except perhaps some stores that may decide to price high. 

Yeah I meant there always wouldn't be cards available, sorry if I worded that weird. I don't know how it is in the UK, but retailers in North America like to set prices high on GPU's when supply is limited, though it doesn't help that people buy as many as possible at launch and charge whatever they can on ebay.

8 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Still amazes me how easily people are manipulated.

 

Are you really HOPING to have to pay $1000 for a X80ti card.

 

I cant believe I actually have to say this to as many people as i've had to.

The x80ti cards are the $700 price tier cards.

When Nvidia launches X80 cards before x80ti cards, and when the x80ti cards do eventually come out the 'normal' (as in what they have done every previous gen prior to the 20 series) thing to do is to drop in the x80ti at the current x80 price, and then drop the price of the cards below it.

 

If Nvidia does release a 3080ti it 'should' come in at $700, while the 3080 drops down to around $500. Thats what they have done historically, to do otherwise is a big FU to the consumers. They'll overcharge if they think they can get away with it, and comments like those quoted DO NOT HELP US.

 

Dont ASK to pay more. Thats stupid.

The prices on x80Ti should be in the $700 range, but that hasn't been the case since RTX 2000 series and the RTX tax. I doubt Nvidia would lower their x80 tier card to $500 but if AMD has something competitive for a bit less then Nvidia could undercut their prices. Nvidia left a enormous price gap between the 3080 and 3090 so I'd expect them to have a 3080Ti or Super variant for around $1,000. Also Nvidia got away with screwing over consumers that bought the 2000 series cards by putting out a Super refresh after AMD released the 5700XT so I'd assume it could happen again if AMD competes at all even if they can only match the 3080.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

RT will be on RDNA2, pretty sure AMD does have a Shadow Play equivalent, and they also have FreeSync(the more popular "Sync", AKA G-Sync Compatible).

by popular you mean it's open source and not a licensed feature. but if the next AMD card has shadowplay its good, nvidia will finally update the feature even more 

also DLSS 2.0 though....
 

1 hour ago, S w a t s o n said:

No it wont be missing raytracing, they will announce it in October. it's already confirmed to be part of the architecture of the CUs as shown in the consoles. AMD does need to price more aggressively than they did with the 5700xt though. They are missing some features that Nvidia has and the driver stack just isnt as good.

that's good, i hope ray tracing is a thing, games have looked the same for too long, held back by consoles games graphically have been stagnant. i want everyone to adopt ray tracing and ditch backed lighting. and yes AMD have had driver issues 

[VeganJoy]

9 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Still amazes me how easily people are manipulated.

 

Are you really HOPING to have to pay $1000 for a X80ti card.

 

I cant believe I actually have to say this to as many people as i've had to.

The x80ti cards are the $700 price tier cards.

When Nvidia launches X80 cards before x80ti cards, and when the x80ti cards do eventually come out the 'normal' (as in what they have done every previous gen prior to the 20 series) thing to do is to drop in the x80ti at the current x80 price, and then drop the price of the cards below it.

 

If Nvidia does release a 3080ti it 'should' come in at $700, while the 3080 drops down to around $500. Thats what they have done historically, to do otherwise is a big FU to the consumers. They'll overcharge if they think they can get away with it, and comments like those quoted DO NOT HELP US.

 

Dont ASK to pay more. Thats stupid.

nvidia raising prices for one generation has desensitized people to pricing lol. now that theyre dropping prices to what they usually are (still expensive) everyone's like "waow so impressive!!!" like damn they might as well just sell 3070s for 1000 bucks, the 3080 at 1500 and the 3090 at 2500. if amd rolls out actually good cards just be like "oh hey look we've got a 3070 sUpEr" and milk fools for more. its a wonder how turing cards sold so well

[WereCat]

Just now, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

by popular you mean it's open source and not a licensed feature. but if the next AMD card has shadowplay its good, nvidia will finally update the feature even more 
 

AMD has ReLive which is like Shadowplay... its nothing new, they had it for quite some time now. 

 

[jasonc_01]

27 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Still amazes me how easily people are manipulated.

 

Are you really HOPING to have to pay $1000 for a X80ti card.

 

I cant believe I actually have to say this to as many people as i've had to.

The x80ti cards are the $700 price tier cards.

When Nvidia launches X80 cards before x80ti cards, and when the x80ti cards do eventually come out the 'normal' (as in what they have done every previous gen prior to the 20 series) thing to do is to drop in the x80ti at the current x80 price, and then drop the price of the cards below it.

 

If Nvidia does release a 3080ti it 'should' come in at $700, while the 3080 drops down to around $500. Thats what they have done historically, to do otherwise is a big FU to the consumers. They'll overcharge if they think they can get away with it, and comments like those quoted DO NOT HELP US.

 

Dont ASK to pay more. Thats stupid.

You say it like if we ask to pay less they'll Listen. In reality we are paying less, the 3090 is a $1000 price reduction and a 3080 ti would be a $200 less than a 2080ti. 

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

You say it like if we ask to pay less they'll Listen. In reality we are paying less, the 3090 is a $1000 price reduction and a 3080 ti would be a $200 less than a 2080ti. 

 

The more you buy the more you save 

[SolarNova]

4 minutes ago, jasonc_01 said:

You say it like if we ask to pay less they'll Listen. In reality we are paying less, the 3090 is a $1000 price reduction and a 3080 ti would be a $200 less than a 2080ti.