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Crypto miners are hoarding early shipments of RTX 3080s

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2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

Do you play games nonstop (24 hours and 365 days, it's no life) and with many graphics cards at the same time ?


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Just now, X-System said:

Do you play games nonstop (24 hours and 365 days, it's no life) and with many graphics cards at the same time ?

Blushes...

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1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

From what I have read, many Miners were running those cards past safe limits. Plus I refuse to give them a holes any more. They deserve to get stuck with hardware they cant get rid of. Make it more difficult on them to recoup the cost of the GPU. 

Undervolting the core is beyond safe limits?


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19 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

Unless your streaming to Twitch is gaming making you money? How many GPU's do people tend to have gaming? 1 maybe 2, not the amount coin miners tend to have. Coin miners are no different then the guys on Wall Street...... A bunch of greedy bastards that screw over other people. 

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6 hours ago, eeeee1 said:

i was hoping that nvidia could just block ip's from buying more if they hit the limit but i am no javascript or whatever website programming language/api there is    expert.

IP blocks like that are a big pain given how many people share them. and if they wanted to get around it take out a phone


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8 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

One easy way to figure it out is if these things beat ANT miners or not.  If they don’t and there isn’t some weird law in China that bans ant miners but not GPUs it’s by definition garbage. If it’s marginal it’s possible that stats are being inflated and it’s still garbage.


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Just now, vortextech77 said:

People still crypto mine lmao

There may be additional drivers in other countries due to regulations.  There may be special stuff in China. I don’t know. Also if electricity is free it becomes free money. Just not very much.  Crypto mining more or less turns electrical power into cash at ever decreasing efficiency.  It will always probably continue in situations where electricity costs $0


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9 hours ago, RejZoR said:

I hope this crap is fake. We really don't need this nonsense again... Also all this mining nonsense needs to die.

Yes

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4 hours ago, Lord Vile said:

They put a hacked BIOS on it anyway

True, but, if its blocked at the silicon level, good luck getting around that.


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1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

There may be additional drivers in other countries due to regulations.  There may be special stuff in China. I don’t know. Also if electricity is free it becomes free money. Just not very much.  Crypto mining more or less turns electrical power into cash at ever decreasing efficiency.  It will always probably continue in situations where electricity costs $0

At some point the cost in property tax to have the machine sitting to run hours on end will far outweigh the few rupees it'll earn.


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12 hours ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Oh noooo, now I can't waste the 700$ that I don't have on a new graphics card, what am I gonna do?

If I can't get one, guess I'll just increase my ssd storage and w/e else 😧

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4 hours ago, X-System said:

Do you play games nonstop (24 hours and 365 days, it's no life) and with many graphics cards at the same time ?

So? You don't pay a flat rate, you pay per Kwh. So you/they pay for what you/they se regardless.

 

People can't have it both ways: good price/performance and people who make money out of GPUs' performance not buying them.

Whether anyone still makes money out of GPUs and is buying these particular ones is still to be seen, though.

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3 hours ago, Orangeator said:

True, but, if its blocked at the silicon level, good luck getting around that.

Then they gimp performance. No matter what blocks you put in place people will find a way around it.


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14 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

The problem with RDNA is that it lacks key feats that made Vega Gen 1 aka 56 and 64, Gen 2 aka the VII, and Furys better at it and other tasks.  The main benefits came from the combination of HBM and HBM2 backed by the CUs,  iirc.  RDNA was pretty craptastic compared to HBM and HBM2 offerings by AMD in several tasks while having advantage in gaming only from what I remember.

While that maybe true rdna was for gaming and not those applications. They have a professional line of graphics cards for a reason. 

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CDNA is for compute operations, RDNA is for rendering aka games. NVIDIA made that separation long time ago between GeForce and Quadro cards. And partially Titan cards.

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You have to remember that by this nvidia is screwing themselfs because If AMD jumps out and saves the day by actually having cards avaible than Its a win for AMD :D 

Edit: Especialy Pascal user like me who wants to upgrade for great value

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6 hours ago, Orangeator said:

True, but, if its blocked at the silicon level, good luck getting around that.

I don't know why vendors don't institute hardware level signature validation as has become normal on things like routers and switches. I suppose it's because it doesn't really matter to the likes of NVidia who buys their cards, and they don't have to pay out warranty claims if you brick a card with a bad BIOS. 


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9 hours ago, cj09beira said:

how is it any different to you and me playing games, dont throw around such authoritarian proposals.

There's a pretty big difference between the two if you think about it. For example, mining loads last for significantly longer periods of time and can (assuming you don't alter voltages and whatnot) push cards to higher levels of power consumption than gaming loads, making the act of mining much more devastating for the environment than gaming.

 

I personally don't think power companies need to get directly involved, and a federal tax over the creation of cryptocurrency to help defray the environmental impact would be better, but that's just me.

 

Also, environmental restrictions and regulations aren't "authoritarian." A bit of a gross misuse of the term, if you ask me.


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10 minutes ago, Suika said:

(assuming you don't alter voltages and whatnot)

every miner i know undervolts for better efficiency

 

tbh those who overvolt their cards for mining probably dont know what they're doing


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3 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

While that maybe true rdna was for gaming and not those applications. They have a professional line of graphics cards for a reason. 

Well, Vega gen 1 were cards that could game and do compute as well.   Even in this gen there was vega 2/the vii which came out before RDNA which was labeled as both a gaming card+pro card.  Still hoping for a gen 3 vega.


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19 hours ago, jaslion said:

I'm good with my gpu for now so when the market crashes again I welcome the flood of 3000 series gpu's on the used market.

Yeah except mining cards are infinitely more likely to die on you very soon.


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28 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Yeah except mining cards are infinitely more likely to die on you very soon.

Thats why when the miners start dumping them you get a non mined card as either way the prices will fall down. Just like what happened with the rx400/500s.

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Maybe Nvidia should block mining on their gpu least around first month's while supply is not stable yet assuming that is gonna be a problem.

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