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Pakistan has announced it is banning Tinder, Grinder and several other dating apps

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2 minutes ago, Ashley xD said:

open source social networks like Minds already exist, so i imagine this isn't far behind what you are suggesting. 

Kind of what I had in mind actually. A fully decentralized platform would effectively be impossible to censor, for better or worse. Trying to subpoena an identity would be futile as no single party controls the platform to handle said demand. It would be intriguing to see how world governments would attempt to respond to the rise of such a platform. 


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46 minutes ago, avg123 said:

what's stopping people from installing the app from apks? 99% smartphones there are probably android

With apps like Tinder how useful it is all comes down to how many singles are in your area using it. If they ban the app from the app store then sure, maybe 10% install from apk, but what would be the point of using it if it lost 90% of its user base overnight? Plus it could be banned on Tinder side, as the app relies on tracking use location for finding nearby matches. Or just ISP filtered requiring use of a VPN to access it which will have the same problem where some people might use a VPN to access it but most won't bother.


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Just now, Zodiark1593 said:

Kind of what I had in mind actually. A fully decentralized platform would effectively be impossible to censor, for better or worse. Trying to subpoena an identity would be futile as no single party controls the platform to handle said demand. It would be intriguing to see how world governments would attempt to respond to the rise of such a platform. 

well, look at Minds, Bitchute and Gab for examples. venture there at your own risk though, such platforms attract actual neo nazi people etc because they don't get banned there. not that that is the only content you'll find, but there is quite a bit of that over there. so, if you are sensitive to that kind of thing go there at your own risk. 


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I'm kinda surprised Grindr wasn't banned beforehand lmfao


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13 minutes ago, Ashley xD said:

well, look at Minds, Bitchute and Gab for examples. venture there at your own risk though, such platforms attract actual neo nazi people etc because they don't get banned there. not that that is the only content you'll find, but there is quite a bit of that over there. so, if you are sensitive to that kind of thing go there at your own risk. 

What about Peertube? It does not seem to have too much hate on it


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Just now, Sandro Linux said:

What about Peertube? It does not seem to have too much hate on it

never heard of it. bitchute in particular though is bad. stefan molynoux, a white supremacist and i'm pretty sure a neo nazi is pretty big there since he got banned from youtube and bitchute does nothing about him. basically all these free speech platforms eventually become echochambers of those kinds of views because the mainstream platforms ban those people. 


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5 hours ago, Sandro Linux said:

 

 

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I think this is bad because it will make it harder for people to meet people on the internet

 

 

What do you think we did before cell phones?

a) websites

b) IRC

 

To which I'm going to say that the apps themselves are kinda primarily used as prostitution by one section of the userbase. Not saying that's what people intentionally use them for, but for women the apps are kinda just a hellscape of people that don't read the profile, and for men they're a shopping list of who they they think is hot. 

 

So in countries that frown upon having any kind of relationship outside of marriage, the apps look like prostitution rather than "help me find someone I'm compatible with", and a really it's a more efficient version of the "website" experience, where you might have to sift through thousands of people holding beers/wine-glasses before you find someone unique.

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1 hour ago, Zodiark1593 said:

banning open computing platforms altogether. 

Don’t give them any ideas


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4 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Never said anything about legality. They're hosting and delivering content that goes against the ToS (e.g. explicit content). Tumblr also got a free pass when they shouldn't, if Apple really applied their rules uniformly.

well by that theory ban any web browsers and also twitter. you can access explicit content there too. 


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6 minutes ago, Ashley xD said:

well by that theory ban any web browsers and also twitter. you can access explicit content there too. 

Exactly.

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6 minutes ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Exactly.

you unironically want all web browsers and also twitter banned?


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1 hour ago, Kisai said:

What do you think we did before cell phones?

a) websites

b) IRC

 

To which I'm going to say that the apps themselves are kinda primarily used as prostitution by one section of the userbase. Not saying that's what people intentionally use them for, but for women the apps are kinda just a hellscape of people that don't read the profile, and for men they're a shopping list of who they they think is hot. 

 

So in countries that frown upon having any kind of relationship outside of marriage, the apps look like prostitution rather than "help me find someone I'm compatible with", and a really it's a more efficient version of the "website" experience, where you might have to sift through thousands of people holding beers/wine-glasses before you find someone unique.

I suspect it’s a hellscape/shopping list for both sexes.  There’s as many BS profiles as there are people who don’t read them.  To the point that reading them becomes nearly pointless which creates more hellscape problems.
 

Like with most things in life  Humans BS each other and It causes problems 


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I have to agree with the preceding posts. Since Pakistan is a very religious country that has rather strict rules considering relationship and intimacy, I'm surprised they allowed these apps in the first place and I'm also wondering what took them so long. Never heard of the last three apps, but Tinder, IIRC, isn't explicitly targeted for sexual context, so what's the deal with that? Well, anyway, with Grindr I can see why that would be outlawed under their circumstances. But just because they ban the apps and might block them nation-wide via IP addresses doesn't mean that people won't find other ways to get the intimacy they might want. It worked before they invented these apps and now that these apps are being banned people will only find it to be a little more difficult without the apps. Who seeks finds.

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14 hours ago, williamcll said:

This seems more like a religious issue. I wonder will Indonesia will follow suit.

Most likely or maybe not Pakistan is Muslim-dominant. Indonesia is more mixed

13 hours ago, Ashley xD said:

and that is a problem because...? if the people involved are consenting adults then there is nothing wrong with it. we aren't living in the middle ages anymore, people have relationships and intimacy before marriage. 

 

in fact, i don't even plan to get married. why should i lol. 

There is no logic when it comes to religion my friend

 

I'm a Pakistani currently living in Malaysia and all i can say i'm surprised they didn't do it earlier (i assumed any platform promoting romantic interests would have been banned). Our government is in a quandary/paradox, they want to advance into modern society but at the same time they do things like this which sets back their attempts trying to go forward.


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Bumble is basically the women-in-charge version of Tinder, which is probably equally hard to use there. I can see why Grindr might be banned on principle, and I've never heard of Tagged, Skout, and SayHi.

 

The thing is, the nicer way for those apps to even work is to take the photos out of the first step and place it after frequented locations are identified. Do some location fencing to track locations that the user indicates are not their home and not their place of work, and then ask the user "You seem to go to X place frequently, have you met anyone there?" and put up a "meet matches here" flag for the location. Likewise "(event) is happening at (location you visit), want to meet anyone there?"

 

But I digress, the reason these apps are kinda considered prostitution is because people are looking for a hookup and not a relationship.

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15 hours ago, WikiForce said:

i also think they are immoral, i believe relationships before marriage are sinful. Same should be done in India as well.

it's way more than meeting, most of them make illicit intimate contact and just want some cheap fling

If the demand is great enough, new platforms will rise to take their place. Shut those down, and more will spawn. With anonymizing measures employed, the expense of shutting down such sites could be formidable in the future.  Would it be worth it to expend the resources to go after every new site that offers the contentious product?


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I’m wondering what similar dating apps didn’t get banned and what was the criteria and rationale for the ones that did and didn’t?


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This is what happens when you elect a former cricketer to become Prime Minister who is basically a sockpuppet for the military, surely they have better things to do right? their rupees has hit all time low of around 170 Pak rupees per 1$, but yes banning dating apps is the priority, good job. 


 

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13 minutes ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

This is what happens when you elect a former cricketer to become Prime Minister who is basically a sockpuppet for the military, surely they have better things to do right? their rupees has hit all time low of around 170 Pak rupees per 1$, but yes banning dating apps is the priority, good job. 

Only a bit more than half a cent apiece? Ouch.  And the dollar hasn’t been doing that well lately.     Looking at euros it’s currently 195.4 to one.  Does smell of a distraction attempt.


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20 hours ago, Ashley xD said:

and that is a problem because...? if the people involved are consenting adults then there is nothing wrong with it. we aren't living in the middle ages anymore, people have relationships and intimacy before marriage. 

 

in fact, i don't even plan to get married. why should i lol. 

You're right, I agree with you, but when we're talking about country that is dominated by religion that has middle age mentality, we shouldn't be surprised. A lot of things are banned in Muslim countries that shouldn't be banned, but these people chose their religion over freedom. It's their choice.


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17 hours ago, Ashley xD said:

well, look at Minds, Bitchute and Gab for examples. venture there at your own risk though, such platforms attract actual neo nazi people etc because they don't get banned there. not that that is the only content you'll find, but there is quite a bit of that over there. so, if you are sensitive to that kind of thing go there at your own risk. 

Bitchute is amazing. They don't censor your for your opinions like Youtube and far left websites. I prefer Bitchute anyday over Youtube.


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Just now, Dean0919 said:

Bitchute is amazing. They don't censor your for your opinions like Youtube and far left websites.

that has pro's and con's. the pro being you have absolute freedom of speech. the con being that such freedom attracts individuals like actual white supremacists and neo nazi's to the platform because they can say those things without being banned... 


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2 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

I think it is a good move

Then I recommend you think a bit more.

Even if you dislike Tinder/Grindr/whatever, people should be free to do whatever they want. We shouldn't strive to have an overreaching government controlling what we can and can't do all the time.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Ashley xD said:

that has pro's and con's. the pro being you have absolute freedom of speech. the con being that such freedom attracts individuals like actual white supremacists and neo nazi's to the platform because they can say those things without being banned... 

An interesting observation about that is that the less a platform forces a certain agenda, the more right-wing the platform naturally becomes.

Makes you wonder how much control some mega corporations actually have over peoples' lives and views, when unmoderated and unfiltered platforms are so drastically different from the heavily moderated and censored ones.

 

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Or maybe that's because a certain group of people are driven to the unmoderated platforms. I guess in countries like Pakistan the opposite is true. The pro-gay-rights people are driven to the unmoderated platforms because the regular platforms are heavily moderated for anti-homosexuality.

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