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Nvidia 30 Series unveiled - RTX 3080 2x faster than 2080 for $699

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1 minute ago, Just Monika said:

How much of an issue, if any, is having 24GB of VRAM if I only have 16GB of RAM? Really eyeing the 3090 but that's one of the concerns I have, other than the enormous price tag on it.

 

I don't think these are related in the way you mention it. VRAM is MUCH faster than RAM, but if you run out of VRAM, your system will be relying on whatever RAM you have available to do the extra work. You can go for the 3090 without a problem.

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Press F for all those who payed premium for the RTX 2080 Ti.


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2 hours ago, thechinchinsong said:

RTX-3070 price reaction: 🤨

RTX-3080 price reaction: 😮

RTX-3090 price reaction: 😐

There I fixed it for you.

 

Keep in mind that a few years ago, the GeForce GTX 980 was $549, and people were shocked by the high price.

So all Nvidia did is play the game, of mass overpricing their 2000 series, only to simply overprice a bit less their 3000 series, making you forget about the real price of what it was before and make you think it is a fantastic deal. It's not.

 

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35 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

I really like them  I also liked the previous FE designs,  but the 3070 looks awful lol wtf were they thinking. 🤣

 

Also 8GB, oof. 

True, but in Nvidia defense, based on Steam hardware survey, most people have a 1080p display (~65.5%)

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

 

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Well, guess I'm getting a new GPU. Thank god they aren't the price of a new peugeot.


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36 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

True, but in Nvidia defense, based on Steam hardware survey, most people have a 1080p display (~65.5%)

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

 

Which makes sense since the vast majority seem to have 1050ti / 1060 cards or below...  Sometimes I wonder for whom those $500+ cards are made for... Well I know for enthusiasts,  but that still means 8GB just isn't all that much for such a card,  the 3060 would likely have 6GB then,  again,  just like the 1060 and 2060... So definitely NV seems to think VRAM isn't that important? 3 generations and no gains in VRAM capacity is a bit weird (although it's faster I guess) 

 

Maybe I'm over estimating how important VRAM is but on the other hand, requirements will only go up so I can definitely see 6 or 8GB being a "bottleneck" of sorts going forward. 

 

^ I'm also biased because the game I'm playing most basically almost constantly maxes out my VRAM .  And if you give it more, it maxes that out too!

 

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(Monster Hunter World btw)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/960781/Monster_Hunter_World__High_Resolution_Texture_Pack/

 

You can get away with less but definitely not at max settings,  not even close. 

 

And I can't see a theoretical MHW2 using any less either :o

 

 

 

 

 

 


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16 minutes ago, Derkoli said:

Well, guess I'm getting a new GPU. Thank god they aren't the price of a new peugeot.

Probably will last longer than a Peugeot 


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15 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Which makes sense since the vast majority seem to have 1050ti / 1060 cards or below...  Sometimes I wonder for whom those $500+ cards are made for... Well I know for enthusiasts,  but that still means 8GB just isn't all that much for such a card,  the 3060 would likely have 6GB then,  again,  just like the 1060 and 2060... So definitely NV seems to think VRAM isn't that important? 3 generations and no gains in VRAM capacity is a bit weird (although it's faster I guess) 

 

Maybe I'm over estimating how important VRAM is but on the other hand, requirements will only go up so I can definitely see 6 or 8GB being a "bottleneck" of sorts going forward. 

 

^ I'm also biased because the game I'm playing most basically almost constantly maxes out my VRAM .  And if you give it more, it maxes that out too!

 

 

 

(Monster Hunter World btw)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/960781/Monster_Hunter_World__High_Resolution_Texture_Pack/

 

You can get away with less but definitely not at max settings,  not even close. 

 

And I can't see a theoretical MHW2 using any less either :o

 

Well, it is clear that they are making serious profits on these cards. I think Nvidia is happy with 8GB, and as that will help people have a reason to upgrade next year, and hopefully a higher end GPU (increased profits). Sucks, but that is what happens when you have no real competitor.

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Yup... basically. 


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1 hour ago, porina said:

 

 

I've got the B9, and will almost certainly get the 3080. The thing to keep in mind is, you don't always have to be running at the upper end of the refresh rate. As long as the minimums are good enough for you, after all, the CX is G-sync compatible.

 

It is probably far enough off given rumours haven't hinted at anything in that space, although anything is possible.

I've got a no as well, about time to use my bestbuy anything warranty and upgrade to either a c9 or cx 65".

 

The rumors of a 3080 20gb from AIB partners hint to me a 3080ti is ready to go.

 

4gb less ram and a 3090 die cut down 5-10 percent for $999 really rounds out the lineup.

 

Just like they did with pascal, launched 1080, 1070 and 1060. A few months later the titan x and then in the spring the 1080ti.

 

I just don't want to wait 6 months for a 3080ti. Though I did sell my 2080ti almost 3 weeks ago for $1200cad so $920usd lol. Man I feel bad for that guy, he paid $1200 for a 3070 🤣

 


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1 hour ago, F.E.A.R. said:

Press F for all those who payed premium for the RTX 2080 Ti.

Honestly if you bought the 2080ti when it first came out you had top of the line performance for a whole two years. Is it the best value ever? No but if you care about value you aren't a flagship card buyer anyways and probably don't have a monitor that would require the 2080ti over a more reasonably priced gpu. I bought the 2080ti for my 4k 144hz monitor and it did its job beautifully and will likely be replaced by the 3090. 

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10 hours ago, illegalwater said:

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I'm just glad that it seemed like engineers wrote the presentation not marketing. A good sign that green team is onboard with consumer friendliness. Maybe they've seen how Intel has ended up, so they want to keep the favour of the people whilst pushing the industry further.

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My last 2 graphic cards were in the mid range and I paid less than 200 euros for those but I feel like those days really are over. Just checked my mail my last graphic card purchase was a Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1Go OC for 175 euros in June 2012 and before that a HIS Radeon HD 5770 1Go IceQ for 165 euros in May 2010 so it's been a while for sure.

 

But if I check right now for a graphic card between 150 and 200 euros it's GTX1050 ti,GTX 650, RX570 and RX5500 XT from the site I usually use, that doesn't look like mid range it's more like last gen or I have my release dates wrong for those gpu?

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12 minutes ago, thorpyworpy said:

I'm just glad that it seemed like engineers wrote the presentation not marketing. A good sign that green team is onboard with consumer friendliness. Maybe they've seen how Intel has ended up, so they want to keep the favour of the people whilst pushing the industry further.

No they are not. All the charts given are not quantifiable. Even claims like "3x quieter"... compared to what exactly? How was the DB measured? Or is it perceive (which is completely subjective)? The performance chart comparing GPUs doesn't make sense either. I'll give them that they didn't bother with FPS charts, which is always good, as those are BS.

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1 minute ago, Rune said:

No SLI fingers :(

Correct. You'll need to get 3090 to have it.

SLI is dead. It was dead for a long time now. 

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1 minute ago, GoodBytes said:

Correct. You'll need to get 3090 to have it.

SLI is dead.

Was planning on getting a 3090. Didn't see it there either. Am I just blind?

Edit: Aaaah new nvlink thingy. Coolio.


 

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If you have any questions about ultra high end audio (Or any speakers or audio gear!), don't be afraid to shoot me a message, or mention me.

 

Spent over 700k on audio gear, still trying to increase sound quality.

 

Why 44.1kHz is all you need: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem

 

How loud should you listen?: http://dangerousdecibels.org/education/information-center/decibel-exposure-time-guidelines/

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3 minutes ago, Rune said:

Was planning on getting a 3090. Didn't see it there either. Am I just blind?

Edit: Aaaah new nvlink thingy. Coolio.

It is mentioned on the Nvidia Specs page of the 30 series:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3090/

Go on "Specs" at the top navigation bar, and then click on "full specs", and scroll down a bit.

It says:

"NVIDIA NVLink™ (SLI-Ready):    Yes"

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2 minutes ago, Exty said:

so what you are saying its less heat then any other GPU that isnt a blower style ?

It's a meme, don't get your knickers in a twist :) 


If you have any questions about ultra high end audio (Or any speakers or audio gear!), don't be afraid to shoot me a message, or mention me.

 

Spent over 700k on audio gear, still trying to increase sound quality.

 

Why 44.1kHz is all you need: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem

 

How loud should you listen?: http://dangerousdecibels.org/education/information-center/decibel-exposure-time-guidelines/

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7 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Sadly only decoding from what I can tell.

The 8Mbps number is for viewers watching Twitch, assuming Twitch encodes to AV1.

i wonder if there is any way for them to let us use the tensor cores for encoding

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It's great to have something worth being excited about in graphics hardware after such slow progression and over-inflated prices for so many years.

 

I sort-of called-it, that Nvidia was going to price the 3000 series better to c*ck-block the upcoming consoles, due to the crypto-crash, and because of covid-19 impacting people's finances:

On 6/22/2020 at 6:56 AM, Delicieuxz said:

I think there are some reasons why we might expect the 3000-series to be priced much better than the 2000-series was:

 

- RTX didn't turn-out to be as big a deal and a card-seller as Nvidia had hoped. It doesn't help that its performance is terrible to the point that many people simply don't want to use it.

 

- Nvidia's BS about their large surge in GPU sales not being from crypto-miners blew-up in their faces, with Nvidia being left sitting on a mountain of unsold 2000-series stock.

 

- The new consoles are going to release this autumn and every sale of a console is profit for Nvidia's main competitor, AMD. Nvidia will surely aim to stymie console purchases by both releasing their 3000-series ahead of them, and offering a more attractive price on them. Otherwise, the new consoles are going to eat into Nvidia's potential profits.

 

- Due to covid-19, many people are low on funds and can't afford the obscene and abusive prices the 2000-series was listed at. If Nvidia increase prices further at this time, or even if they don't decrease them a bit, it's likely to be seen as callous and offensive by potential customers.

 

 

It's also possible that Nvidia upcharged the 2000-series as a last-chance cash-grab, knowing they'd have to drop prices down again with the 3000-series due to the arrival of new consoles.

 

So, I think there's a chance that we'll see lower prices for the 3000 series. And we should see them because the 2000-series prices are unjustifiable and pure greed.

 

But, offsetting all these sound logical reasons to lower prices for the 3000 series is the fact that the company in question is Nvidia, which has shown itself to be divorced from rationality and unaware of its surroundings.

A couple of more reasons to add to that list:

 

- AMD are soon to be releasing their more powerful Navi GPUs, and of course Nvidia want to direct as many sales as possible towards themselves while flaunting their status as the lead graphics card developer.

 

- Intel are entering the GPU market (and I hope they're going to stay in the market) and the 3000 series is Nvidia's last-chance to face a market with only 1 competitor. Nvidia will also want to make it as difficult as they can for Intel to get a foothold in the market, which is best done by increasing the gap Intel has to close in order to be competitive.

 

 

The 3000 series isn't priced lower than the RTX 2000 series, but its price-to-performance ratio blows the RTX 2000 series away. That accomplishes the same thing, but with a higher entry fee.

 

It seems that Nvidia are sucker-punching the competition with the 3000 series and making the upcoming consoles look weak before they launch. I think Nvidia were stingy with the 2000 series knowing that they were going to pull this move with the 3000 just before the new consoles release. And by making the 2000 series performance-value offering meagre, they enabled the 3000 series to offer a huge jump over the 2000 series.

 

 

A long time ago, I opined that AMD and Nvidia can turn-up the performance from one generation to another on a whim, like increasing the water flow from a tap:

On 6/10/2016 at 2:37 AM, Delicieuxz said:

Nvidia and AMD would have gotten more money from me if they'd been making meaningful performance increases to their GPU hardware throughout the last 5 years, instead of rehashing the same tech and performance. No one should think the slow pace of GPU performance over the recent years was natural - Nvidia and AMD turn their performance increases up and down like a tap to coincide with market influences, like the PS3 and 360 consoles bring game graphics progression to a near halt for 5 years, and like Nvidia making large strides once VR, 2k / 4k / 144 Mhz frequency monitors come out. Sure, they spend time and money developing new tech, but any time they want to make a leap in graphics performance, they already know how to go about accomplishing it, and it'll take them only as long as they feel will best allow them to capitalize on it.

For AMD, that hasn't proven to be the case. But I think Nvidia have shown that they have reserved performance up their sleeves which they're simply holding-back until an opportune time when its unleashing will clobber their rivals.

 

 

I might have also gotten this one right, regarding the RTX 3090's $2000 and then $14000 price rumours before the price was confirmed:

On 8/19/2020 at 3:46 AM, Delicieuxz said:

I think that Nvidia or whatever company pricing rumours are about might deliberately leak rumours of different prices to gauge how people respond to them, and then decide the pricing based on what they think they can get away with based on the feedback. So, if a lot of people say they're OK paying a higher price for a part, rather than that the price is unreasonable, then it may be that the manufacturer decides to price the part part higher in the end.

 

On 8/19/2020 at 6:00 AM, Delicieuxz said:

That would be assuming that a company would only release actual price candidates and not minimum and maximum along a spectrum to see what people gravitate towards, how differently people's reactions are to the minimum versus the maximum, or to see which pricing people find more believable or at which price people start getting angry.

 

There are a lot more ways to get feedback on customer willingness and tolerance than by putting out a solid price candidate.

 

On 8/19/2020 at 9:26 AM, Delicieuxz said:

Another way that a company might use two price rumours like $2000 and $1400 to their benefit, if they plan their final release price to be unpalatable to most people, is by first releasing a fake figure that is extremely unreasonable and letting people express revulsion at it, and then later release the much lower price, which is still pretty unreasonable, but because it's so much lower than the first price they released, people accept it a lot easier and feel relieved, rather than angry, after having first been exposed to the much larger price rumour.

 

Doing this can condition people into accepting higher prices, as rather than be critical of the high price, they feel relieved that they're not being charged the higher price rumour that they were first exposed to.

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