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Will AMD win high end gaming now?; Ryzen 9 4950x specs leaked

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According to Igors Lab, the new AMD Ryzen 9 4950x specs have been leaked. This stems from a OPN code, 100-000000059-52_48/35_Y. The 35 means 3.5Ghz base clock, and the 48 means a 4.8 ghz boost, a whole 100Mhz faster than the current Gen 3950x. Both CPUs would be 16c/32t CPUs, but the newer 4000 cpu would be effected by the 10-20% IPC boost rumored in the past.

 

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A new leak has detailed AMD’s Zen 3-based Ryzen 9 4950X CPU - and it should have Intel worried.

This leak comes via Igors Lab, which reveals that the so-called Ryzen 9 4950X will be a 16-core, 32-thread part with an impressive boost frequency of 4.8GHz. 

The information comes from an OPN code which reads "100-000000059-52_48/35_Y." The ’35’ at the end signifies the 3.5 GHz base clock, with ’48’ telling us the boost clock is 4.8 GHz. That’s 100MHz higher than the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X, which tops out at 4.7GHz. 

 

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A previous leak claims Ryzen 4000 CPUs will deliver 15% to 17% better IPC (instructions per clock) compared to AMD's Ryzen 3000 desktop processors, which is bad news for Intel. 

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Let us first come to the beat, that is, what most people are interested in in the first place. What can be ordered for testing from the relevant companies is called 100-000000059-52_48/35_Y.  Well, the first part of the OPN is not new, I had already published it, but at the end there is the classification for the clock rates. And that’s exactly what up to 4.8 GHz boost clock at 3.5 GHz base clock for all 16 cores looks quite good.

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One, its nice to see some non Epic v Apple news right now. If this is true, with a decent win in the silicon lottery, a 5ghz  all core base AMD CPU would be possible, with decent cooling. With the AMD CPUs right around the corner, stuff seems to be heating up right now.

 

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https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-4950x-leak-has-appeared-and-it-could-take-intels-gaming-crown

https://www.igorslab.de/en/exclusive-informations-on-amds-next-generation-cpu-ryzen-9-4950x-sea-with-high-boost-tact-and-new-features-a-la-intel/


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19 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

effected by the 10-20% IPC boost

i'll believe it when i see it

19 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

with a decent win in the silicon lottery, a 5ghz  all core base AMD CPU would be possible

iirc the top 5% of 3900x can do 4.2 all core at 1.25v? think 5GHz is still far away

unless the new chips are much better

 

that said, im excited to not have to think about which brand to get for specific tasks

gaming? AMD multithread? AMD, much simpler time deciding on next upgrade

here's to hoping AMD tops intel in gaming workloads

 

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Just now, Moonzy said:

iirc the top 5% of 3900x can do 4.2 all core at 1.25v? think 5GHz is still far away

unless the new chips are much better

It's supposed to be 4.8 all core boost. Anything is possible. 

Yeah. The main problem for current gen intel/and is that Intel kills on the IPC right now.


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I've never even thought that AMD needs to "win" gaming, Intel's need to hang on to that seemed very arbitrary. AMD just need to be good enough that the frame difference is inconsequential next to all the other benefits.

 

That said, a chip that basically was the fastest FPS in gaming as well as multi-threaded applications would be pretty hard to turn down.

 

I'm still hoping the 4000 series helps to lower the price of the 3000 series the way the 3000 did for 2000. I'm sitting on a first gen 1700x and would love that bump in IPC and clock (not to mention finally get my ram running at it's proper 3200mhz speed).


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4 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

It's supposed to be 4.8 all core boost

all core boost? isnt that 1 or 2 core boost?

5 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

The main problem for current gen intel/and is that Intel kills on the IPC right now.

i thought AMD has better IPC but intel cpu has lower latency? i could be wrong though


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well we have to see what 11th gen has to offer but a lot of core isnt necessary for gaming most games dont scale very good on more than 12 threads  


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9 minutes ago, mahyar said:

well we have to see what 11th gen has to offer but a lot of core isnt necessary for gaming most games dont scale very good on more than 12 threads  

11th gen has nothing.

23 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

It's supposed to be 4.8 all core boost. Anything is possible. 

Yeah. The main problem for current gen intel/and is that Intel kills on the IPC right now.

AMD stops intels IPC. intel holds on by clockspeed and zen2 not scaling well as clock speeds hit 5ghz

 

AMD is going to have this holiday locked down. 4950X and a top AMD card would be a really nice pair for under 2k


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1 hour ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

It's supposed to be 4.8 all core boost. Anything is possible. 

Yeah. The main problem for current gen intel/and is that Intel kills on the IPC right now.

Not really, the existing chips follow the same naming and the boost frequency in that is not the all core. Not that Zen/Ryzen actually has an "all core", it's just power budget and voltage limits and you get what you get, which is better than fixed steps/multi's based on core loading.

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I have to wonder if a hypothetical 4800X would be the best gaming CPU, not a 4950X. The speculated move to 8 core CCX means you have all 8 cores able to work best with each other without that CCX/CCD communication choke point. Without the extra cores sapping power, the 8 cores might be able to boost more consistently too.

 

On AMD's boost strategy since Zen 2, each core is separately tested for their best clock and not all cores are able to reach the stated maximum single core boost clocks. Intel's previous policy was that any core could hit the single core boost, so that was interesting for overclockers. Intel had to follow AMD's strategy now to get more performance out of each CPU, and some cores may boost further than others.


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2 hours ago, Moonzy said:

i'll believe it when i see it

I mean Zen+ to Zen2 was a signifcant increase in IPC which AMD claimed numerous times and turned out to be true. I could see it given how much of an improvement Zen2 was over Zen+.

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4 minutes ago, ThePD said:

I mean Zen+ to Zen2 was a signifcant increase in IPC which AMD claimed numerous times and turned out to be true. I could see it given how much of an improvement Zen2 was over Zen+.

that was with a node jump from 14(12) (gloflo? TSMC?) to 7nm TSMC

 

i'd say 5-10%, but i'll welcome 10-20% any day


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Wish AMD would make a 4 core HT or 6 core no HT part with laser focus on all core frequency. Priced within the existing Ryzen 5/i5 price bracket.

 

That would surgically remove the remaining reasons for anyone to consider an Intel CPU.


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1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

that was with a node jump from 14(12) (gloflo? TSMC?) to 7nm TSMC

nodes (generally speaking) doesnt cause any IPC increase or decrease unless there is a major "bottleneck" that is relieved or constrained due to a clockspeed change. like how SMT fills CPU time where it would otherwise be "idle".

 

47 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

6 core no HT

yep, that would be a useless part on arrival outside of high refresh titles. 

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3 hours ago, Moonzy said:

i thought AMD has better IPC but intel cpu has lower latency?

AMD has better IPC but Intel has higher clocks. Latency didn't make much of a difference in tests iirc unless they were specifically testing for it.


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Just now, Sauron said:

AMD has better IPC but Intel has higher clocks. Latency didn't make much of a difference in tests iirc unless they were specifically testing for it.

zen 2 and intel scores about the same in cinebench single core scores, i think

but there's still clear difference in gaming somehow, i thought it was to do with latency? guess not?


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If that's the case, Ryzen 9 4900X might be going even faster, 4.9GHz or even 5GHz boost. Interesting indeed. And then massive IPC boost on top. 4000 series is going to be sweet. Also my god the MOAR CORES on this one (considering gaming here). I wonder though what will happen when chiplets become as big as old monolithic CPU's were. What then? Just be forced to do MOAR CORES thing and stagnate the clock and force game devs to do something with more threads instead of higher core count.

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14 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

zen 2 and intel scores about the same in cinebench single core scores, i think

 

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Hasn't this been posted already?  And didn't they later find one with a 4.9GHz boost?


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nodes (generally speaking) doesnt cause any IPC increase or decrease unless there is a major "bottleneck" that is relieved or constrained due to a clockspeed change. like how SMT fills CPU time where it would otherwise be "idle".

Nodes indirectly affect IPC though, in that they allow you do squeeze in more transistors to do more stuff. I don't know how much of the IPC change between Zen and Zen 2 was down to execution specific changes as opposed to the bigger caches. Tiger Lake seems to be hinting going in a similar direction. Intel claim an increase in IPC over Ice Lake, yet Anandtech say there was no change to the architecture, so it follows part of that improvement must come from the increased caches.

 

7 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

I wonder though what will happen when chiplets become as big as old monolithic CPU's were.

I forget what has been said in rumours about Zen 3, but I assume it is still 8 cores per CCD like Zen 2. The difference I think will help that generation is that 8 cores is now one big CCX, not two smaller CCX of 4 cores each.


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I heard Zen 3 will be named 5xxx, not 4xxx, so people won't get confused because of the 4xxx APUs with Zen 2.

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

i'd say 5-10%, but i'll welcome 10-20% any day

The "real" IPC performance depends on the workload and the acutal instructions being used. Could be just a benefit for rendering and no improvement for gaming.

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15 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

I heard Zen 3 will be named 5xxx, not 4xxx, so people won't get confused because of the 4xxx APUs with Zen 2.

Didn't stop them doing that in previous generations, and is a problem of their own making anyway.

 

15 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

The "real" IPC performance depends on the workload and the acutal instructions being used. Could be just a benefit for rendering and no improvement for gaming.

When CPU manufacturers talk about IPC, they generally talk about the average over a wide range of workloads. People will for sure argue over the details, but it does generally mean it isn't a few best case cherry picked scenarios.


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3 hours ago, porina said:

I have to wonder if a hypothetical 4800X would be the best gaming CPU, not a 4950X. The speculated move to 8 core CCX means you have all 8 cores able to work best with each other without that CCX/CCD communication choke point. Without the extra cores sapping power, the 8 cores might be able to boost more consistently too.

 

On AMD's boost strategy since Zen 2, each core is separately tested for their best clock and not all cores are able to reach the stated maximum single core boost clocks. Intel's previous policy was that any core could hit the single core boost, so that was interesting for overclockers. Intel had to follow AMD's strategy now to get more performance out of each CPU, and some cores may boost further than others.

The 8c is almost assuredly where the real potency will be with zen3, unless you really need the rendering horsepower. The 8c CCX means a lot. And I'm also sure AMD will be happy to sell the upper bins for a lot, as well.

 

Expect 12% to be the general number when talking about IPC improvements. Higher & lower in some workloads, but the server builders have had working silicon since late 2019, why we seem to know quite a lot about the product. "TSMC N7e" is the node, mostly as TSMC has renamed their 7nm nodes a bunch.

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45 minutes ago, porina said:

Nodes indirectly affect IPC though, in that they allow you do squeeze in more transistors to do more stuff. I don't know how much of the IPC change between Zen and Zen 2 was down to execution specific changes as opposed to the bigger caches. Tiger Lake seems to be hinting going in a similar direction. Intel claim an increase in IPC over Ice Lake, yet Anandtech say there was no change to the architecture, so it follows part of that improvement must come from the increased caches.

 

I forget what has been said in rumours about Zen 3, but I assume it is still 8 cores per CCD like Zen 2. The difference I think will help that generation is that 8 cores is now one big CCX, not two smaller CCX of 4 cores each.

An AMD tech lead gave a talk at a HPC conference and it got put online last March/April. As a result, we know a lot about the design. The deeper architecture upgrades we won't see until they give presentations on it.

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11 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The 8c is almost assuredly where the real potency will be with zen3, unless you really need the rendering horsepower. The 8c CCX means a lot. And I'm also sure AMD will be happy to sell the upper bins for a lot, as well.

Certainly for my compute uses, the 4 core CCX was the biggest single hurdle stopping Zen 2 being perfect. Forces you to fragment workloads to get best throughput and limits job sizes.

 

I think I'll only get one sample of Zen 3 to play with, and will target the lowest bin of 8 core. The minor clock differences don't really matter for my purposes. It will most likely form the basis of my next gaming system along with a next gen GPU when they come out.

 

Going beyond 8 cores, by implication requiring more CCDs, will of course bring more performance in other use cases, but also reintroduces the fragmented nature of the design.

 

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

An AMD tech lead gave a talk at a HPC conference and it got put online last March/April. As a result, we know a lot about the design. The deeper architecture upgrades we won't see until they give presentations on it.

Got a link to that? 


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48 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Do they? 🤔

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Yes, if we want to be picky with our benchmarks and sources, lol.

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-3800xt-review/

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For sake of transparency, you can see the 3900XT lose against the 10900K from the exact same source:

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900xt-review/

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With a stronger IMC, AMD could easily catch up to or even exceed Intel's current gaming performance. Couple that with better core scaling over time and AMD is sitting in a pretty good spot right now.

 

As for Intel, they need to roll with the changes. Do away with trying to keep everything in-house on an aging fab and start outsourcing to other fabs. Design something that will produce higher yield rates to meet the supply demands and do away with the terrible marketing decisions plaguing their platform. Stop treating overclocking like it's a premium feature that must be paid for on both their CPU's and chipsets, and give consumers their options back. As much grief as people give Intel, they are still offering a good product, they are just shooting themselves in the foot with these artificial limitations and premature platform obsoletion. Plenty of people would buy a Core i5 10400 if it were overclockable on an H470 board, even if the quality of the silicon wasn't as great as a 10600k.


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