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Posted · Original PosterOP

I am building a pc soon and I have two iterations, one with AMD and one with Intel 10th gen. For intel I've got i7 and for AMD i've got a 3800XT. I am getting the 3080ti or 3090 and I was wondering if the pcie gen 4 is gonna have a bigger impact on fps then the overall game performance you get with intel. 

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Simple answer : NO. Pci Gen 4 wont make any difference especialy if you dont get a Pci Gen 4 SSD (and even if you do get one, there will be no difference gaming wize).

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the ssd wont have an impact on fps.

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Unlikely PCIe 3.0 x16 will be saturated, but GPUs of more distant future is hard to predict.


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A 2080Ti, in gaming, barely saturates PCIe 3.0 8x. I think it's pretty safe to say that not having PCIe 4.0 won't make a difference with Ampere or RDNA2 GPUs, though who knows what it'll be like with future generations.

Rocket Lake-S (Intel's 11th series CPUs) might enable PCIe 4.0 on Z490 boards, but that hasn't been officially confirmed as of yet.


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6 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

A 2080Ti, in gaming, barely saturates PCIe 3.0 8x. I think it's pretty safe to say that not having PCIe 4.0 won't make a difference with Ampere or RDNA2 GPUs, though who knows what it'll be like with future generations.

Rocket Lake-S (Intel's 11th series CPUs) might enable PCIe 4.0 on Z490 boards, but that hasn't been officially confirmed as of yet.

i actually did some testing with a friends 2080 and an x8 slot and yes, it barely makes a difference...

At the moment the only thing PCIe 4 is useful at is SSDs, but do you really neet 6+ GB/s? I personally didn't notice going from a low end SATA SSD to a high end PCIe 3 one


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9 minutes ago, D3LTA said:

I am building a pc soon and I have two iterations, one with AMD and one with Intel 10th gen. For intel I've got i7 and for AMD i've got a 3800XT.

The 3800XT isn't worth it, if you decide to go AMD the 3700X or 3900X are better options.

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2 minutes ago, mbntr said:

i actually did some testing with a friends 2080 and an x8 slot and yes, it barely makes a difference...

At the moment the only thing PCIe 4 is useful at is SSDs, but do you really neet 6+ GB/s? I personally didn't notice going from a low end SATA SSD to a high end PCIe 3 one

I know its hard to say about future generations of gpus but what about the 3080ti.

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Unless ampere really was a super huge jump up compared to Turing. 

Then it's unlikely it will saturate x16 gen 3 bandwidth. 

5 minutes ago, D3LTA said:

So I should go with the i7-10700k?

If you're gaming just get a 10600k. Performs similarly in terms of gaming performance. 


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1 minute ago, D3LTA said:

I know its hard to say about future generations of gpus but what about the 3080ti.

it would need to use 2x the bandwidth of the 2080ti, which is extremely unlikely.

The 2190 (or 3090) is suspected to be 30% faster than the 2080ti, not 100%


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I like tinkering with computers and have a personal hatred towards phones and everything they represent (I daily drive an iPhone 7, or a 6, depends on which one works that day)

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26 minutes ago, D3LTA said:

So I should go with the i7-10700k? @Mateyyy @Jurrunio

Just for gaming, I'd get the 10600K with a solid cooler on it unless you already have plenty of money to splurge on the motherboard, memory, graphics card, storage, etc.

Basically, if going with the 10700K means you need to get a 3070 instead of a 3080, or something along those lines, I wouldn't go for it.


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33 minutes ago, D3LTA said:

So I should go with the i7-10700k? @Mateyyy @Jurrunio

Only if everything else are top notch alreafy


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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