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Starlink $1 pre-trial minimum bandwidth speeds revealed: 35Mbps DOWN and 5Mbps UP

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That's faster than my Mum's VDSL...so not bad at all.


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18 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

In my area in centeral Illinois, you get Down/4=UP. I have 100 down, 25 up, for example. Though i am lucky/unlucky enough to have fiber. Minimal latency, but multipul users areterible.

We have 940MBps down, 35up here


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For those arguing about latency, we have no idea where severs are located or where the ground receivers are. You can’t say “that latency sucks” without said information. Those response times are absolutely meaningless without context.


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38 minutes ago, FakeNSA said:

Fun fact Unix: Due to physics, starlink could be faster. Why?

 

Because the speed of light differs depending on the medium. The speed of light is in glass is .667 (repeating, but it doesn't matter) that of the speed of light in a vacuum.

As a result, with direct laser links (coming in starlink's 2.0 satellite revision), starlink could be at least a few seconds faster over continent-spanning distances.

Maybe update the OP with this @Results45, if you're interested?

I am also available to DM with a bunch of hearsay about it from /r/starlink, and some Elon tweets as well.

Source for speed of light claim.

It's absolutely a possibility, however I'd imagine that most ground based connections aren't going to need to cover nearly as much distance as even a Starlink connection. Speed of light differences could wind up making up some of that difference, however I'd imagine that there is an order of magnitude more latency gains to be made by (potentially) removing network congestion and routing bottlenecks. 

 

If they can get Starlink ground stations set up on or near all the major backbones and big data centers, they could conceivably bypass effectively all of the current infrastructure and keep the data totally within their network. How much faster that would be, I have no idea, but I'd have to imagine that any system built from the ground up is going to be more efficient than the weird bootatrapped network we use now. Anyone who has a better perspective on how the backbone level services actually work, feel free to correct me. 

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2 hours ago, CircleTech said:

Yes but the potential of losing revenue from customers moving to other services will force them to become more consumer friendly, or they will just go bankrupt.

Ummm NO. Because Comcast, AT&T, Cox and possibly Charter in the future all have caps. As much as some Cellular companies make 5G seem like its going to be unicorns and Roses, AT&T and Verizon will find a way to screw that up. T Mobile is a bit more friendlier but Im sure they will have some cap in place where they will start throttling you. Also here the more screwed up thing. Places with little to no competition have caps. For example my area has caps with Comcast, but if your live in the North East US, No caps. Also bulk agreements tend to not have caps either. 

 

But the fact is, they dont have to change. Because most people only have 1 or 2 choices. To be clear I dont think Starlink can even compete with wired broadband providers. People who live in the city are not going to go with them for the most part. Rural people will because they have little to no good choices. 

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4 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Just saw this on the OLF Podcast. Solid speeds, which will increase as they continue to add to the network (currently there's what... a few hundred satellites? They plan on launching thousands of them).

 

No this isn't really a replacement to a good ground connection (FTTH or FTTN), but for rural customers that can't get any wired broadband, this could be excellent for them.

Makes me curious what percentage of rural America is physically limited to dial up or slower completely ignoring DSL?  DSL limitation is common even in many more urban areas .  I remember a number of around 20% of the face of the US geographically.  I don’t remember how old the number is or how they were measuring it though. 


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1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Makes me curious what percentage of rural America is physically limited to dial up or slower completely ignoring DSL?  DSL limitation is common even in many more urban areas .  I remember a number of around 20% of the face of the US geographically.  I don’t remember how old the number is or how they were measuring it though. 

I know my boss has to use LTE or Satellite in his new house. Said he called every provider in the area, all stop about a half mile from his house.  I guess he's getting Hughsnet installed for his girl so she can work from home. He uses the LTE hotspot for gaming and takes his Xbox over to his buddies house when there is a Call of Duty update. 

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3 hours ago, Kisai said:

That is some pretty ridiculous minimum. 4 seconds per page of web browsing? 100ms has been possible for a decade, if anything websites have been getting worse by doing all this responsive html and framework cruft.

 

No, really, if you are playing an action game, 40ms is murder when your opponent has 4ms.

It doesnt really matter as the server wont have a tick rate to take advantage of ping that low. 

COD only has a tick rate of 12hz meaning everyone basically has 100ms ping playing it. 

 

Granted there are custom CS GO servers with 128hz tick-rate which can advantage of ping that low but they're not the norm.  

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I can't wait to get rid of my 7mbps down and 0.7mbps up and tell telstra to shove it


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1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

I know my boss has to use LTE or Satellite in his new house. Said he called every provider in the area, all stop about a half mile from his house.  I guess he's getting Hughsnet installed for his girl so she can work from home. He uses the LTE hotspot for gaming and takes his Xbox over to his buddies house when there is a Call of Duty update. 

Yep.  That’s the way it works.  User has to pay for the last length, but that length may be used by others nearby as well.  That’s how it worked for a long long time for phone.  Some farmers forked over what amounted at the time to several years average salary to have just twisted pair phone run to their house.  The next guy only had to pay the distance between his house and the next though.  Sometimes groups of people would get together to get an major run dug.  If your boss has close neighbors they may all be in the same boat.  He might be able to get a coalition together. 


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6 hours ago, Results45 said:

Definitely not going to blow any minds, but for those living in small towns and rural areas with limited, unaffordable, or non-existent internet service this might just be the ticket to upgrade from DSL.

will this be worldwide or only for the US/Europe? it'd make no sense as they already have gigabit speeds there so... that's my question written via <1Mbps DSL.

 

It's great news but I'm thinking someone somehow in this shithole is already thinking on how to block the satellite signals and charge to unblock them, or charging for retransmitting from "better locations", I just... feel it's going to happen, and it'll probably be made by the same shit ISP I have now that's charging me $40 US for a 50KB/s download speed.

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4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Yep.  That’s the way it works.  User has to pay for the last length, but that length may be used by others nearby as well.  That’s how it worked for a long long time for phone.  Some farmers forked over what amounted at the time to several years average salary to have just twisted pair phone run to their house.  The next guy only had to pay the distance between his house and the next though.  Sometimes groups of people would get together to get an major run dug.  If your boss has close neighbors they may all be in the same boat.  He might be able to get a coalition together. 

Naw, he said he has a bit of property, no neighbors really close. 

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7 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

For those arguing about latency, we have no idea where severs are located or where the ground receivers are. You can’t say “that latency sucks” without said information. Those response times are absolutely meaningless without context.

My understanding is that currently SpaceX only has 5 approved ground stations out of the 30+ that they have requested permits for, and that's on top of having less than half of their intended constellation launched. If the latency is this good now, it should be at least slightly faster and probably much more consistent as they get the rest of the network built out. 

 

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In addition, the ~1500 satellite number is for their initial constellation. The plan for the "real" constellation is somewhere in the 4000s of sats, and they already have FCC approval for more than 12,000 sats (although that likely includes the planned replacements).

 

Once they have Starship fully operational they can theoretically start launching sats 400 at a time for <$10mil per launch, at which point we'll start to see some serious shit. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Caroline said:

will this be worldwide or only for the US/Europe? it'd make no sense as they already have gigabit speeds there so... that's my question written via <1Mbps DSL.

Can't speak for Europe, but outside of major cities the US absolutely does not have gigabit. The vast majority of the physical land in the US is overwhelmingly rural and in those locations you're lucky to have DSL. 

 

I believe that initially they are targeting a relatively narrow latitudinal band that includes North America and Europe, but as they get more and more launches off they can cover further inclinations and therefore more countries. The US military is planning to utilize Starlink for on-deployment internet access and data transfer, so you can bet that it'll cover just about every populated inch of the planet. 

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2 hours ago, Vitamanic said:

For those arguing about latency, we have no idea where severs are located or where the ground receivers are. You can’t say “that latency sucks” without said information. Those response times are absolutely meaningless without context.

Yep!

And we do know that latency will be more consistent when more satellites are up (Tweet)

Right now, the trains of satellites have relatively extreme spacing, but this site (you might have to click show at the top left) shows the service area that they hope to obtain with a more complete constellation.


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25 minutes ago, Unixsystem said:

Can't speak for Europe, but outside of major cities the US absolutely does not have gigabit. The vast majority of the physical land in the US is overwhelmingly rural and in those locations you're lucky to have DSL. 

 

I believe that initially they are targeting a relatively narrow latitudinal band that includes North America and Europe, but as they get more and more launches off they can cover further inclinations and therefore more countries. The US military is planning to utilize Starlink for on-deployment internet access and data transfer, so you can bet that it'll cover just about every populated inch of the planet. 

There is some question whether it will be available in given areas though.  There may be data about what and how such things might happen.  I believe musk has said he has no interest in antagonizing the ccp though (poking the bear is bad. Even if it’s black and white and cute looking.  The ccp has antisatelite missiles) so it is very unlikely to be a useful method for getting past the great firewall. Depending on how it is done that might apply to other countries as well.  China is not the only nation with segregated internet.


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49 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

There is some question whether it will be available in given areas though.  There may be data about what and how such things might happen.  I believe musk has said he has no interest in antagonizing the ccp though (poking the bear is bad. Even if it’s black and white and cute looking.  The ccp has antisatelite missiles) so it is very unlikely to be a useful method for getting past the great firewall. Depending on how it is done that might apply to other countries as well.  China is not the only nation with segregated internet.

Of course its gonna be regulated on a  country by country basis in terms of allowing the ground stations and user terminals. However that's on the local government and I'd imagine that SpaceX is interested in making sure that every man woman and child on the planet is a potential Starlink customer. Those Mars rockets don't pay for themselves. 

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Once lived in a place with 10mbps internet for $80 a month (since moved to gigabyte for $100 a month) and this would have been spectacular there, if the full release pricing is any good. Hughe's net or whatever is probably gonna be put out of business. All the crappy dial-up or slow DSL providers should be shaking. I hope Elon delivers, and that the speeds improve. I wouldn't mind living in a wooden hut if I could get decent satellite internet

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Not sure why so many people are going on about latency. A satellite link can potentially be significantly lower in latency than fiber as propagation of microwaves. Fiber is two thirds the speed of a radio transmission when it comes to travel time. That and you can often have a much shorter hop with a satellite network.


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21 minutes ago, Unixsystem said:

Of course its gonna be regulated on a  country by country basis in terms of allowing the ground stations and user terminals. However that's on the local government and I'd imagine that SpaceX is interested in making sure that every man woman and child on the planet is a potential Starlink customer. Those Mars rockets don't pay for themselves. 

Might be.  I guess I’m repeating about what I heard about intent and that I have heard nothing at all about methodology.


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17 minutes ago, Eaglerino said:

Once lived in a place with 10mbps internet for $80 a month (since moved to gigabyte for $100 a month) and this would have been spectacular there, if the full release pricing is any good. Hughe's net or whatever is probably gonna be put out of business. All the crappy dial-up or slow DSL providers should be shaking. I hope Elon delivers, and that the speeds improve. I wouldn't mind living in a wooden hut if I could get decent satellite internet

I concur.  It turns monopolies into dualopolies and dualopolies into competitive markets.  Might do less well in areas where there are all ready competitive markets.  There aren’t many of those in the US though.  It may be a big enough deal to change the way that wired networks are built out in the future.


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I didn't see anything on how to sign up, nor further details on the account, though it is listed as a buck in the title.

I'm fortunate enough to have gig fibre, despite being in the sticks, but for a buck I'd try this with my qa engineer hat on just to have backup service in case something goes down here.

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Mind you, 35Mbps is OK for people who literally live in the middle of nowhere.


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11 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Just saw this on the OLF Podcast. Solid speeds, which will increase as they continue to add to the network (currently there's what... a few hundred satellites? They plan on launching thousands of them).

 

No this isn't really a replacement to a good ground connection (FTTH or FTTN), but for rural customers that can't get any wired broadband, this could be excellent for them.

Once Elon makes this a reality and we are actually seeing the speeds and latency targets that SpaceX promised, I am moving away from the city. I can't wait to start living the country life and breathing that fresh air and watching those beautiful sunsets!

 

Am I being just too idealistic here? I mean, if you have great internet and can live in the countryside, why wouldn't you move to the countryside?


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Those a very reasonable speeds and latencies given the technology.  I would be more than happy with that if it was no more expensive than my current NBN deal and meant I could literally move anywhere in the country.  Had a gut full of city life.  and one of the few things stopping me from moving to the middle of bum fuck idaho is the lack of internet.


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