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ryzen 3200g stock voltage too high

image.png.33f5c2bb80607ed9f31e6f5b06351be8.pngjust finished instaling my new system with a 3200g. this vcore seems to high. didn't mess with the bios 

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1 minute ago, gloop said:

Idle or load?

i was installing some softwares meantime. didn't get to game. so it was some load there. but anyways is way too high. read that ppl OC with 1.3V and i got 1.4-1.45 on stock

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Test full load voltage first, maybe the board just drops a ton of voltage under load causing the need for high idle voltage

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third gen ryzen has been a bit infamous for high idle voltages. not really as big a deal though, especially because the 3200G uses Zen + which is a lot less sensitive to high voltages.

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These idle voltages are pretty normal for ryzen. My 3700X has similar voltages at idle. Under load they should drop considerably.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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ryzen idles at high voltage and low current, normal for the most part.

you could put load on it like a stress test and then check voltages (which should drop).

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5 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

ryzen idles at high voltage and low current, normal for the most part.

you could put load on it like a stress test and then check voltages (which should drop).

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1.548 max recoreded value in load

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10 hours ago, imajerec said:

1.548 max recoreded value in load

what were you using? and for how long? 

use cinebench and then monitor voltage. and was this 1.5 a short burst? monitor it under a cinebench run or a stress test and check.

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38 minutes ago, imajerec said:

image.png.33f5c2bb80607ed9f31e6f5b06351be8.pngjust finished instaling my new system with a 3200g. this vcore seems to high. didn't mess with the bios 

in uefi, is the voltage highlighted in red? I know with my MB, anything over 1.3v (if I remember correctly) turns red letting me know it is too high.

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3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

what were you using? and for how long? 

use cinebench and then monitor voltage. and was this 1.5 a short burst? monitor it under a cinebench run or a stress test and check.

used cinebench r20. short burst. anyway too high. does pbo has something to do with this?

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10 hours ago, imajerec said:

used cinebench r20

still was it for a short burst? and you can use ryzen master and check voltages there.  

you could also check voltages in the bios. 

 

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12 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

still was it for a short burst? and you can use ryzen master and check voltages there.  

you could also check voltages in the bios.

 

how is checking voltages in bios of help? voltage is low in bios and in idle hwinfo and ryzen master reports under 1V as well. the problem is the load voltage it's scary high. coming from an intel and asus mobo, i still have to dig a little to try manual voltage to 1.25 see how it behaves

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10 hours ago, imajerec said:

and in idle hwinfo and ryzen master reports under 1V as well.

wait so at idle it's 1v? 

 

10 hours ago, imajerec said:

, i still have to dig a little to try manual voltage to 1.25 see how it behaves

you could try setting a lower voltage and check.

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16 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

wait so at idle it's 1v? 

 

you could try setting a lower voltage and check.

nevermind in bios. the voltage reported is 1.416V .oscilating between 1.39-1.41V, in windows hwinfo shows 0.9V  at idle

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1 minute ago, imajerec said:

in windows hwinfo shows 0.9V  at idle

I would trust hwinfo64 on that reading. 

As it can do a good job monitoring ryzen voltage. 

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21 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I would trust hwinfo64 on that reading. 

As it can do a good job monitoring ryzen voltage. 

disabling ''core performance boost'' fixed it,it seemed like it caused a significant voltage increase . i get now in stress tests 1.27V with 1.28V max spikes. that's a huge voltage drop from 1.50V. now the CPU boost to max 3.6ghz on all cores(previous was 3.8ghz on all cores) but it's fine i guess. probably will try some manual OC once i get familiar with AMD , coming from intel in the las 15years

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3 hours ago, imajerec said:

does pbo has something to do with this?

Yes, massively with Zen+. You should always use offset mode for voltage and a negative number there to compensate for the stupid decisions of PBO

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26 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, massively with Zen+. You should always use offset mode for voltage and a negative number there to compensate for the stupid decisions of PBO

i just disabled it. i'm fine with 3.6ghz on all cores. mb i have a shitty cpu which needs 1.5V to get 3.8ghz on all cores with pbo and the mobo blindly pumps 1.5V in it . stock BIOS settings btw.

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3 minutes ago, imajerec said:

mb i have a shitty cpu which needs 1.5V to get 3.8ghz on all cores with pbo and the mobo blindly pumps 1.5V in it .

PBO on Zen+ doesnt care about silicon quality so you should able to go much lower in voltage for the same clocks

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

PBO on Zen+ doesnt care about silicon quality so you should able to go much lower in voltage for the same clocks

i can't . i've tried to manually oc with ryzen master 1.3v 3.7ghz and it just crashed after 5 seconds in prime95(this must be the shiities 3200g ever). i don't wanna go higher. funny the 3200g works without problem with 3600mhz ram sticks with the xmp preset

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51 minutes ago, imajerec said:

i can't . i've tried to manually oc with ryzen master 1.3v 3.7ghz and it just crashed after 5 seconds in prime95(this must be the shiities 3200g ever). i don't wanna go higher. funny the 3200g works without problem with 3600mhz ram sticks with the xmp preset

I'm not certain how Ryzen Master works with this board, possibly it doesnt correct voltage at all under load so you get big voltage drops (say 1.32V idle turns into 1.2V full load)

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I'm not certain how Ryzen Master works with this board, possibly it doesnt correct voltage at all under load so you get big voltage drops (say 1.32V idle turns into 1.2V full load)

no,i've watched the voltages in load in hwinfo after setting 1.3 with ryzen master,it stays pretty close to 1.3V. cpu is just shitty for OC. or perhaps the one day i've used it with core perfromanced boost and 1.5v+ k.o 'my cpu. it sucks that VRM allows me to OC it but voltage required is too high

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