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Thermaltake wants to revolutionize the way how you apply Thermal Paste

14 hours ago, Pascal... said:

This is bit a ridiculous, like they don't have to reinvent the Wheel here.

I would agree there and even then, Cooler Master's New MasterGel already exists for "beginner-friendly" feature...

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Besides from "wasting" some paste, the logic seems sound here.  I would have to thermally test the different methods but there is benefit in a consistent layer.  

If you are good with the syringe and spatula, this could even help you save paste.  

 

Regardless of effectiveness, there is very little extra cost for them to throw in the stencil so it's worth a shot.

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I guess this makes sense for new builders, kinda wastes paste though I'd like to see how temps compare to just applying a dot in the middle of the CPU.

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11 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I guess this makes sense for new builders, kinda wastes paste though I'd like to see how temps compare to just applying a dot in the middle of the CPU.

I suspect they will be near zero.  I doubt it’s significantly better.  Paste is a fluid so it squishes out as pressure is applied.  The hexagons probably squish too and touch each other.  Could likely have been done with a single hexagon and a thicker stencil. The complication with the pea method is it requires gauging by eye whereas the stencil method doesn’t.  The grating and grooved trowel  for mastic application were originally sold to DIY homeowners not pros.  Pros did eventually pick up the grooved trowel system though the grating one never caught on there.  bga chips already use stencils for applying solder.  It’s effectively a volumetric measurement system.  The question is how much slop is there in the measurement requirements though?  The impression I get is “a lot” so the fiddling around of dealing with stencil cleaning, and storing the stencil may not be worth it. 

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This solution would make sense for large CPUs (e. g. Threadripper) or really viscid thermal pastes.

 

But for smaller CPUs and less-viscid thermal paste I don't think it is necessary. They show in the video a blob of thermal paste I would consider perfect for a CPU this size, but after spreading it, it barely covers half the holes in the stencil. I would asume, people will just apply way too much thermal paste. The thermal paste mask seems to be too thick compared to preapplied thermal paste. Probably because they are using a acrylic mask while the preapplication is generally done with a much thinner steel mask. 

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I just realized people with 3D printers could make their own stencils.

 

Imagine a fad where people design custom stencils for applying thermal compound.

 

I like the concept but it's still a waste of paste.

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1 minute ago, Windows7ge said:

I just realized people with 3D printers could make their own stencils.

 

Imagine a fad where people design custom stencils for applying thermal compound.

 

I like the concept but it's still a waste of paste.

That's a video idea right there.

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3 minutes ago, Pascal... said:

That's a video idea right there.

Possibly. If they'll review the official stencil then make one on a 3D printer it'd probably be enough material for a video.

 

I'd like to see a LTT logo stencil.

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10 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I just realized people with 3D printers could make their own stencils.

 

Imagine a fad where people design custom stencils for applying thermal compound.

 

I like the concept but it's still a waste of paste.

They need to be really thin though.  Isn’t there a minimum thickness for 3D printing?

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1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

They need to be really thin though.  Isn’t there a minimum thickness for 3D printing?

In theory you can go as thin as you want if you can get the tolerances right but most commonly 0.1mm~0.2mm is standard. With the right material I think it's more than doable.

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2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

They need to be really thin though.  Isn’t there a minimum thickness for 3D printing?

Probably on some, but I think mine can do just a few mm. If not, you could always cancel it once it reaches the desired thickness.

I am far from an expert in this so please correct me if I’m wrong.

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Im pretty lazy at times but this is a hard pass for me lol, what a gimmick 

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Could become packets of disposable punched paper I suppose. It’s at the thickness level of a single sheet of paper.  Paper thickness can vary wildly within its limits.  Goes from watercolor paper which is near 1mm and is close to cardstock in stiffness to onionskin which is well under .1mm

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6 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im pretty lazy at times but this is a hard pass for me lol, what a gimmick 

The problem I think is this looks like more labor than the standard method

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Does anybody have information on the thickness of Thermaltakes product? I'm a little busy. Can't sit and read through the whole product page.

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28 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The problem I think is this looks like more labor than the standard method

Anymore I use a spreader stick (like the ones pictured) because it is nice to ensure complete surface coverage - but yeah, 1 glop in middle, spread, attach cooler and go.

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I quite like this. The first times I had to apply thermal paste I didn't really trust myself to do it (so I asked someone else to do it), so I think this definitely has a market.

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3 hours ago, The Torrent said:

Why not just put it all over the thing than miss gaps between shapes?

In the video they do a test where they use a clear plastic block to show that when pressure is applied the hexagons spread out and touch each other leaving no space between them.  Not quite sure wher the air goes though.

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5 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

In the video they do a test where they use a clear plastic block to show that when pressure is applied the hexagons spread out and touch each other leaving no space between them.  Not quite sure wher the air goes though.

so they show its just as good except wasage.

 

Why not simply just put a blob and use a piece of plastic to spread out 100% over the thing seems like the same thing but better to me.

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23 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

so they show its just as good except wasage.

 

Why not simply just put a blob and use a piece of plastic to spread out 100% over the thing seems like the same thing but better to me.

Me too.  The advantage of the little stencil is it is effectively a measurement device.

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On 8/13/2020 at 12:32 PM, Heliian said:

I would have to thermally test the different methods but there is benefit in a consistent layer.  

Outside of HEDT setups, which the credit card smear method works pretty much the best for, then so long as you dont use too little there's no significant difference unless using a conductive or capacitive TIM. In which case there actually is such a thing as too much.

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An attempt was made. Can't always get it right with the first prototype but it doesn't help that the paste I had available to waste was incredibly soupy.

 

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11 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

An attempt was made. Can't always get it right with the first prototype but it doesn't help that the paste I had available to waste was incredibly soupy.

 

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Try with Grizzly Hydronaut. It will work for sure because the paste isn't liquid like your paste :)

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