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Intel to unveil Xe-HPG gaming architecture with hardware ray-tracing

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Intel will be joining the consumer GPU market next year with a series of mid range and high end video cards using GDDR6 and supporting hardware accelerated ray tracing.

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Intel has been actively developing another GPU architecture since 2018. This is another Xe micro-architecture called Xe-HPG optimized for gaming. The XPG roadmap spans from mid-range to enthusiast segments. It was built upon the three Xe pillars: Xe-LP (Graphics Efficiency), Xe-HP (Scalability) and Xe-HPC (Compute Efficiency).

Intel has not confirmed the specifications of the GPU, but it was said that it features the GDDR6 memory subsystem to improve the performance per dollar ratio. On the other hand, the Xe-HP series will feature HBM memory.

NVIDIA introduced hardware raytracing 2 years ago with GeForce RTX 20 series. AMD is expected to launch its RDNA2-based graphics cards leveraging hardware raytracing later this year. Intel has also confirmed their Xe-HPG series will support hardware-accelerated raytracing.

Based on we have heard, the Xe-HPG will be manufactured by an external foundry. The Xe-HPG GPUs are currently being evaluated at Intel labs. The plan is to ship this architecture in 2021.

I'm curious to see if Intel will actually be competitive in the GPU market, or if they'll be hopelessly far behind. Looks like we won't have to wait too long to find out.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-unveil-xe-hpg-gaming-architecture-with-hardware-ray-tracing


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4 minutes ago, illegalwater said:

Intel will be joining the consumer GPU market next year with a series of mid range and high end video cards with GDDR6 and hardware accelerated ray tracing.

I'm curious to see if Intel will actually be competitive in the GPU market, or if they'll be hopelessly far behind. Looks like we won't have to wait too long to find out.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-unveil-xe-hpg-gaming-architecture-with-hardware-ray-tracing

Its hard to imagine how they would pull it off, considering their manufacturing problems surely apply equally to their GPU venture as it does their CPU?

Still, more competition is better, get those GPU prices to come down.


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Damn, Raja Koduri's putting in the work.

It's not like this is going to improve their CPU situation though, so...


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Xe-LP is planned to release in 2020? On Intel 10nm? Does this mean they might have a 10nm GPU before a 10nm CPU?

 

That'd be unexpected.


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They are holding an event tomorrow that is likely covering this.

https://www.intc.com/investor-relations/events-and-presentations/events-calendar/event-details/2020/Updates-From-Our-Chief-Architect-Raja-Koduri/default.aspx 

 

Just now, BobVonBob said:

Does this mean they might have a 10nm GPU before a 10nm CPU?

Their 11th gen mobile CPUs are coming out in September 2nd and are expected to be 10nm. I doubt the dedicated GPUs will be out by then. But the integrated version of Xe is expected to be part of those CPUs.


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8 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Its hard to imagine how they would pull it off,

Pretty simple really:

 

They'll outsource manufacturing to AMD, and just put Intel stickers all over everything 🤪 


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3 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

They are holding an event tomorrow that is likely covering this.

https://www.intc.com/investor-relations/events-and-presentations/events-calendar/event-details/2020/Updates-From-Our-Chief-Architect-Raja-Koduri/default.aspx 

 

Their 11th gen mobile CPUs are coming out in September 2nd and are expected to be 10nm. I doubt the dedicated GPUs will be out by then. But the integrated version of Xe is expected to be part of those CPUs.

Oh wow, I didn't realize they were releasing 11th gen mobile chips so soon after the 10th gen chips.


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15 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Its hard to imagine how they would pull it off, considering their manufacturing problems surely apply equally to their GPU venture as it does their CPU?

Still, more competition is better, get those GPU prices to come down.

I think the plan is to use (probably) TSMC for the GPUs:

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Based on we have heard, the Xe-HPG will be manufactured by an external foundry.

So their 10nm and 7nm manufacturing issues aren't going to apply, even if other issues Intel might have internally could still apply.

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2 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

I think the plan is to use (probably) TSMC for the GPUs:

So their 10nm and 7nm manufacturing issues aren't going to apply, even if other issues Intel might have internally could still apply.

 


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13 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

 

That just mean that TSMC won't actually build more capacity for Intel, not that Intel can't pay for the capacity they already have. Also it's not like there aren't alternatives to using the latest TSMC process, particularly for lower end products.

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I'm looking forward to this. Finally having more than 2 vendors for GPU's is going to be beneficial for us consumers. And it's going to spice product launches and make GPU reviews super exciting again. Kinda almost brings back the excitement from days when we had NVIDIA, 3dfx, S3, Matrox, ATi and few others. I still have fond memories of S3 from that era. Most people don't care that they are gone and they were never really the "gaming force" like 3dfx or NVIDIA, but boy games ran stupendously fast on their S3 Metal API. Which at the time (year 1999-2000) applied to basically every Unreal Engine based game. Unreal Tournament 99 on High with additional high-res textures using S3TC at 1024x768 that was absolutely smooth on crappy S3 Savage3D 8MB was quite something. Mind you, people had Riva TNT2 cards at that time with 16MB and 32MB of memory and much more horsepower. Intel being in the process of creating 3D standards, I'm sure their engineers will cook up new things that will eventually be in use by everyone.

2021 is gonna be fun, at least in this regard. Corona can go f**k off.

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2 hours ago, BobVonBob said:

Xe-LP is planned to release in 2020? On Intel 10nm? Does this mean they might have a 10nm GPU before a 10nm CPU?

They have 10nm CPU already with 10nm GPU built in it: Ice Lake.

 

1 hour ago, BobVonBob said:

Oh wow, I didn't realize they were releasing 11th gen mobile chips so soon after the 10th gen chips.

10th gen mobile was released around a year ago, or will be close by the time Tiger Lake ships. Don't confuse with 10th gen desktop which was much later.


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1 minute ago, RorzNZ said:

this is great. Ray Tracing for low-end cards could be a game changer.

Both AMD and Nvidia are probably already going to do it with RDNA2 and Ampere.

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1 minute ago, RorzNZ said:

this is great. Ray Tracing for low-end cards could be a game changer.

Ray tracing with mobile grade ASICs was shown off in 2014 so I wouldn't call lowend ray tracing a game changer. It's just more tech to sell you since they've slowed down on advancing the GPU core itself


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2 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

Pretty simple really:

 

They'll outsource manufacturing to AMD, and just put Intel stickers all over everything 🤪 

It is not the first time they did it.

This video seemed so wrong now lmao


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2 hours ago, porina said:

10th gen mobile was released around a year ago, or will be close by the time Tiger Lake ships. Don't confuse with 10th gen desktop which was much later.

Turns out I didn't even confuse it with 10th gen desktop, but with the second wave of 10th gen laptop chips. Nope not a confusing release schedule.


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13 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

Turns out I didn't even confuse it with 10th gen desktop, but with the second wave of 10th gen laptop chips. Nope not a confusing release schedule.

For generational comparisons we should stick to initial launches and not any refreshes or new parts along the way. Take a similar situation with AMD Zen 2, we had the original launch in July last year, over a year ago now. When Zen 3 comes out we will be looking at that timescale, not the XT models that were recently released. 


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4 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Oh look another time AdoredTV was wrong

I don't know why people still use it as a news source

To be fair videocardz isn't much better,  but i agree completely with the point your making.

 

 


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14 hours ago, mr moose said:

To be fair videocardz isn't much better,  but i agree completely with the point your making.

 

 

Well I've heard people in the R&D section of my work talking about the Intel GPUs but that's for HPC use but I assume it would trickle down to consumers from there


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