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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi, I'm starting to do overclocking lately and I'm building new PC for Gaming mostly and Doing some Overclocking. I own a pair of G.Skill Trident Z Royal 8GBx2 4266mhz 19-19-19-39 and I want it to run at lower CL to about 16-16-16-36 or even lower and at least 4400mhz or higher ram speed. Now I'm deciding to buy a new M/B choices between "Maximus XII  Hero" and "Maximus XII Apex" to achieve these ram configuration and be able to use them in real task. I been doing research and asking around alot of these answer came across my research "Apex is for hardcore Ram OC", so would you guys consider my goal a Hardcore Ram OC Task? then should I go for The Maximus XII Apex ( I'm not planning to do LN2 and other hardcore things) which have higher percentage of completing the task, but the Board itself lack of peripherals connectivity that the Maximus XII Hero have (5Gbps internet port for example) or a Maximus XII  Hero would do the job just fine. 

Thank you for your wisdom guys :)


System

CPU : i9-10900K Cooler : Noctua NH D-15 Chromax Black

Motherboard : ROG Maximus Hero XII Wifi

RAM : 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4266MHz(19-19-19-39) > OC 4400MHz(16-16-16-36)

GPU : ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti

Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

PSU ROG Thor 1200W

Display MSI MPG341CQR

Keyboard : Steelseries Apex Pro

Mouse : ROG Gladius II

Sound Audeze Mobius

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So which is more important, RAM OC or extra features?


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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6 minutes ago, Sealth said:

Hi, I'm starting to do overclocking lately and I'm building new PC for Gaming mostly and Doing some Overclocking. I own a pair of G.Skill Trident Z Royal 8GBx2 4266mhz 19-19-19-39 and I want it to run at lower CL to about 16-16-16-36 or even lower and at least 4400mhz or higher ram speed. Now I'm deciding to buy a new M/B choices between "Maximus XII  Hero" and "Maximus XII Apex" to achieve these ram configuration and be able to use them in real task. I been doing research and asking around alot of these answer came across my research "Apex is for hardcore Ram OC", so would you guys consider my goal a Hardcore Ram OC Task? then should I go for The Maximus XII Apex ( I'm not planning to do LN2 and other hardcore things) which have higher percentage of completing the task, but the Board itself lack of peripherals connectivity that the Maximus XII Hero have (5Gbps internet port for example) or a Maximus XII  Hero would do the job just fine. 

Thank you for your wisdom guys :)

I mean.... not to be that guy, but "why"? If its strictly for fun, thats totally valid. Overclocking is a fun hobby and definitely nothing wrong with that. But, "using in real tasks" is a but of a weird choice of words. I guess my point is don't really expect much of a real world difference, unless of course whatever your applications are are very very RAM intensive, but if that was the case I wouldn't run OCed RAM for them... as most of them are scientific applications and I wouldn't trust possible errors messing up my results.

 

Also, make sure you have a good CPU as well. Mobo is important once you get up past 4000 MHz, but CPU is equally important. Also remember, at those speeds you usually start sacrificing CPU core clock potential for RAM speed which is a trade of most applications would not benefit from, but instead be hindered. Basically, make sure you have the best CPU you can get your hands on, 10900k is the go to option as it should be the highest possible silicon quality leading to the best chance of a good IMC, then a lot of time tuning and tweaking, and even more time testing for stability.

 

I am sorry though, I am not the right person to help with mobo choice. I just don't know which board has the best topology etc. But if your good with all of that, happy overclocking! And may the silicon lottery be forever in your favor :)


Rig: i9 9900k @ 5Ghz - - Z390 Auros Elite  - - EVGA RTX 2080 XC Ultra @ 2025Mhz - - 4x8GB Vengeance Pro 3000Mhz @ 3600MHz - - Samsung 950 Pro 512 NVMe Boot + Main Programs - - Samsung 830 Pro 256 RAID 0 Lightroom + Photo work - - WD Blue 1 TB SSD for Games - - Corsair RM650i - - Sound BlasterX EA-5 - - EK Supremacy Evo - - XT45 X-Flow 420 + UT60 280 rads - - EK Full Cover GPU Block - - EK XRES RGB PWM - - Fractal Define S2 - - Acer Predator X34 -- Logitech G502 - - Logitech G710+ - - Logitech Z5500 - - Steel Series QcK XXL

 

Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

Homelab/ Media Server: ESXi 6.5 - - 250 GB SSD for VM's/ESXi boot - - FreeNAS 11.3-U2 - - HPE Proliant ML10 Gen 9 backbone - - i3 6100 - - 28 GB ECC - - 10x4 TB WD Red RAID Z2 - - Corsair 750D - - Corsair RM650i - - Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA - - Intel RES2SC240 SAS Expander

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

I mean.... not to be that guy, but "why"? If its strictly for fun, thats totally valid. Overclocking is a fun hobby and definitely nothing wrong with that. But, "using in real tasks" is a but of a weird choice of words. I guess my point is don't really expect much of a real world difference, unless of course whatever your applications are are very very RAM intensive, but if that was the case I wouldn't run OCed RAM for them... as most of them are scientific applications and I wouldn't trust possible errors messing up my results.

 

Also, make sure you have a good CPU as well. Mobo is important once you get up past 4000 MHz, but CPU is equally important. Also remember, at those speeds you usually start sacrificing CPU core clock potential for RAM speed which is a trade of most applications would not benefit from, but instead be hindered. Basically, make sure you have the best CPU you can get your hands on, 10900k is the go to option as it should be the highest possible silicon quality leading to the best chance of a good IMC, then a lot of time tuning and tweaking, and even more time testing for stability.

 

I am sorry though, I am not the right person to help with mobo choice. I just don't know which board has the best topology etc. But if your good with all of that, happy overclocking! And may the silicon lottery be forever in your favor :)

Hi, there thank for your knowledge and sorry for my english it's my second langues by real task I would mostly consider it to be in term of gaming :)  


System

CPU : i9-10900K Cooler : Noctua NH D-15 Chromax Black

Motherboard : ROG Maximus Hero XII Wifi

RAM : 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4266MHz(19-19-19-39) > OC 4400MHz(16-16-16-36)

GPU : ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti

Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

PSU ROG Thor 1200W

Display MSI MPG341CQR

Keyboard : Steelseries Apex Pro

Mouse : ROG Gladius II

Sound Audeze Mobius

Laptop My Phone work as good as a Laptop and a lot smaller

Phone Samsung S10+ Prism Green

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Posted · Original PosterOP
17 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

So which is more important, RAM OC or extra features?

If the Hero could do the job I would consider buying the Hero


System

CPU : i9-10900K Cooler : Noctua NH D-15 Chromax Black

Motherboard : ROG Maximus Hero XII Wifi

RAM : 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4266MHz(19-19-19-39) > OC 4400MHz(16-16-16-36)

GPU : ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti

Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

PSU ROG Thor 1200W

Display MSI MPG341CQR

Keyboard : Steelseries Apex Pro

Mouse : ROG Gladius II

Sound Audeze Mobius

Laptop My Phone work as good as a Laptop and a lot smaller

Phone Samsung S10+ Prism Green

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1 minute ago, Sealth said:

Hi, there thank for your knowledge and sorry for my english it's my second langues by real task I would mostly consider it to be in term of gaming :)  

No problem :). As a second language.... your better than many who learned it as their first language so don't even worry about it. (some of us are just lazy.... i should use you're but im lazy lol)

 

Anyways though, for gaming, you will see almost no difference in performance. But as long as you know that, thats fine :). If you're doing it for fun, like I said thats totally valid, it is fun to do. But don't expect any performance gains... Basically, unless you already have a 10900k and a 2080ti, don't "waste" money on RAM overclocking goals if your intent is to get more FPS. But, if your happy with your performance and just want to have some fun learning how, totally a fine reason :)


Rig: i9 9900k @ 5Ghz - - Z390 Auros Elite  - - EVGA RTX 2080 XC Ultra @ 2025Mhz - - 4x8GB Vengeance Pro 3000Mhz @ 3600MHz - - Samsung 950 Pro 512 NVMe Boot + Main Programs - - Samsung 830 Pro 256 RAID 0 Lightroom + Photo work - - WD Blue 1 TB SSD for Games - - Corsair RM650i - - Sound BlasterX EA-5 - - EK Supremacy Evo - - XT45 X-Flow 420 + UT60 280 rads - - EK Full Cover GPU Block - - EK XRES RGB PWM - - Fractal Define S2 - - Acer Predator X34 -- Logitech G502 - - Logitech G710+ - - Logitech Z5500 - - Steel Series QcK XXL

 

Headphones/amp/dac: Schiit Lyr 3 - - Fostex TR-X00 - - Sennheiser HD 6xx

 

Homelab/ Media Server: ESXi 6.5 - - 250 GB SSD for VM's/ESXi boot - - FreeNAS 11.3-U2 - - HPE Proliant ML10 Gen 9 backbone - - i3 6100 - - 28 GB ECC - - 10x4 TB WD Red RAID Z2 - - Corsair 750D - - Corsair RM650i - - Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA - - Intel RES2SC240 SAS Expander

 

White Lightning (original full watercooled build) - Homelab / Media Server - The Blue Beast (my car and other expensive hobby...) - iPhone Xs - 2018 MacBook Air

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16 minutes ago, Sealth said:

If the Hero could do the job I would consider buying the Hero

because it's not a clear cut limit in overclocking for any motherboard, it's wrong to say "you need the Apex if you want 4400C14 since the Hero will only let you do 4400C16" or sth similar.

 

Then I think the Hero is more suitable for you, numbers you've listed arent that extreme anyways


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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45 minutes ago, Sealth said:

Hi, I'm starting to do overclocking lately and I'm building new PC for Gaming mostly and Doing some Overclocking. I own a pair of G.Skill Trident Z Royal 8GBx2 4266mhz 19-19-19-39 and I want it to run at lower CL to about 16-16-16-36 or even lower and at least 4400mhz or higher ram speed. Now I'm deciding to buy a new M/B choices between "Maximus XII  Hero" and "Maximus XII Apex" to achieve these ram configuration and be able to use them in real task. I been doing research and asking around alot of these answer came across my research "Apex is for hardcore Ram OC", so would you guys consider my goal a Hardcore Ram OC Task? then should I go for The Maximus XII Apex ( I'm not planning to do LN2 and other hardcore things) which have higher percentage of completing the task, but the Board itself lack of peripherals connectivity that the Maximus XII Hero have (5Gbps internet port for example) or a Maximus XII  Hero would do the job just fine. 

Thank you for your wisdom guys :)

The APEX is better for memory OC, however you WILL regret being limited to 16gb of ram if you plan to stay on the same platform for some time.

 

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I was pleasantly surprised my 1866Mhz DDR3 CL9.9.9 does 2133Mhz CL11.11.11 all day in every app so far without issue the last 12 months..
Prior testing It won't do 2400Mhz but could do a 98% stable 2200Mhz (recently it crashed out for another test but had held for months at 2200Mhz CL11.12.11) so it's now at 2133Mhz CL11.11.11 since (Gaming only, no Work focus)

The improvement over 1866 CL9 can be seen looking at benchmark numbers (Gaming) but I don't know if I feel it any different because it likely only really improves those minor minimums and drops that are likely rare anyway in a decent Gaming scenario.


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The hero will clock memory fine. You'll probably hit the memory controller limit before you worry about the board.

 

If this was a binned cpu purchased from a known overclocker, maybe worth APEX and LN2....  

 

 


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10 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

I was pleasantly surprised my 1866Mhz DDR3 CL9.9.9 does 2133Mhz CL11.11.11 all day in every app so far without issue the last 12 months..
Prior testing It won't do 2400Mhz but could do a 98% stable 2200Mhz (recently it crashed out for another test but had held for months at 2200Mhz CL11.12.11) so it's now at 2133Mhz CL11.11.11 since (Gaming only, no Work focus)

The improvement over 1866 CL9 can be seen looking at benchmark numbers (Gaming) but I don't know if I feel it any different because it likely only really improves those minor minimums and drops that are likely rare anyway in a decent Gaming scenario.

I had a set of Mushkin Redline that where really decent. 2200mhz 9-10-9-27-36 @ 1.68v.

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
6 hours ago, LIGISTX said:

No problem :). As a second language.... your better than many who learned it as their first language so don't even worry about it. (some of us are just lazy.... i should use you're but im lazy lol)

 

Anyways though, for gaming, you will see almost no difference in performance. But as long as you know that, thats fine :). If you're doing it for fun, like I said thats totally valid, it is fun to do. But don't expect any performance gains... Basically, unless you already have a 10900k and a 2080ti, don't "waste" money on RAM overclocking goals if your intent is to get more FPS. But, if your happy with your performance and just want to have some fun learning how, totally a fine reason :)

:) Thank you, I do love lazy writing too and thank you ur advice too it really help me make up my mind, I think I'll gonna go for the Hero coz the feature it provide would suit me more then the Apex 


System

CPU : i9-10900K Cooler : Noctua NH D-15 Chromax Black

Motherboard : ROG Maximus Hero XII Wifi

RAM : 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4266MHz(19-19-19-39) > OC 4400MHz(16-16-16-36)

GPU : ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti

Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

PSU ROG Thor 1200W

Display MSI MPG341CQR

Keyboard : Steelseries Apex Pro

Mouse : ROG Gladius II

Sound Audeze Mobius

Laptop My Phone work as good as a Laptop and a lot smaller

Phone Samsung S10+ Prism Green

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thank you everyone for ur advice. Your though really help me make my decision and may the Force be with you all  :)


System

CPU : i9-10900K Cooler : Noctua NH D-15 Chromax Black

Motherboard : ROG Maximus Hero XII Wifi

RAM : 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal 4266MHz(19-19-19-39) > OC 4400MHz(16-16-16-36)

GPU : ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti

Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

PSU ROG Thor 1200W

Display MSI MPG341CQR

Keyboard : Steelseries Apex Pro

Mouse : ROG Gladius II

Sound Audeze Mobius

Laptop My Phone work as good as a Laptop and a lot smaller

Phone Samsung S10+ Prism Green

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