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Posted · Original PosterOP

how do samsung's ram like corsair's ram and kingston's ram?

i don't specify the ram type because i just want to know do their ram suitable for workstation/gaming in general.

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What Samsung ram? 

Are you specifically talking about their dram or just a stick that's made by Samsung?

As for a stick made by Samsung. It's the same as any other stick, specs of it is what Matters. 

It may use b die IC's which are known for tight timings and good overclocking headroom. 

But overall, it's the specs of the specific kit that matters. Not the brand. 

 

1 minute ago, MojaveTM06 said:

They are okay but go with Corsair, HyperX, G.Skill, or Kingston.

What? You do realize there's more to a stick than brand?

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1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

What Samsung ram? 

Are you specifically talking about their dram or just a stick that's made by Samsung?

As for a stick made by Samsung. It's the same as any other stick, specs of it is what Matters. 

It may use b die IC's which are known for tight timings and good overclocking headroom. 

But overall, it's the specs of the specific kit that matters. Not the brand. 

 

What? You do realize there's more to a stick than brand?

I understand this, but the brands I mentioned are very reliable brands, but Samsung is not a very reputable brand when it comes to ram. I would personally go with the brands I listed. 

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Just now, MojaveTM06 said:

very reliable brands

Brand isn't quality. 

 

Just now, MojaveTM06 said:

but Samsung is not a very reputable brand

Iirc they produce over 50% of dram. 

And what does that even mean?

1 minute ago, MojaveTM06 said:

would personally go with the brands I listed. 

That is not a good recommendation really. 

Brand isn't an indication of quality. And it never was. 


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B550m TuF plus.

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1650 super.

CX450.

MX500.

NX500.

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, jumbo9i0 said:

how do samsung's ram like corsair's ram and kingston's ram?

i don't specify the ram type because i just want to know do their ram suitable for workstation/gaming in general.

Depends on a lot of things, what CPU?

if Ryzen 3000 you want a 3600mhz kit or a B-die kit
 

 


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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Brand isn't quality. 

 

Iirc they produce over 50% of dram. 

And what does that even mean?

That is not a good recommendation really. 

Brand isn't an indication of quality. And it never was. 

But do those companies make quality ram products? Yes. That's why I recommend them. Those brands make ram thats fine tuned for gaming, but as far as I know, Samsung doesnt make ram for gaming 

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Just now, MojaveTM06 said:

fine tuned for gaming

That has no meaning and is just marketing for the most part.  

 

Just now, MojaveTM06 said:

Samsung doesnt make ram for gaming 

What is ram for gaming? Lmao. 

A good stick uses quality IC's. Has decent clock speeds and timings. 

This is all marketing lmao. 


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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

What Samsung ram? 

Are you specifically talking about their dram or just a stick that's made by Samsung?

As for a stick made by Samsung. It's the same as any other stick, specs of it is what Matters. 

It may use b die IC's which are known for tight timings and good overclocking headroom. 

But overall, it's the specs of the specific kit that matters. Not the brand. 

if i have to list out  two different ram for comparison, what about this?image.png.8bd420431ae557dbaf5a2a18fd8134f9.png

vs

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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

That has no meaning and is just marketing for the most part.  

 

What is ram for gaming? Lmao. 

A good stick uses quality IC's. Has decent clock speeds and timings. 

This is all marketing lmao. 

And the brands i mentioned make quality sticks.

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14 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

I understand this, but the brands I mentioned are very reliable brands, but Samsung is not a very reputable brand when it comes to ram. I would personally go with the brands I listed. 

Samsung makes the actually dram that is used in ram (along with Micron and SKHynex), and from the information I was able to find they manufacturer about 45% of the worlds dram. so I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that they are not a reputable ram manufacturer. 

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3 minutes ago, jumbo9i0 said:

if i have to list out  two different ram for comparison, what about this?image.png.8bd420431ae557dbaf5a2a18fd8134f9.png

vs

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Dont get single channel

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1 minute ago, jumbo9i0 said:

if i have to list out  two different ram for comparison, what about this?

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Ah these are two different sticks. 

It depends, if one had better timings and clock speeds then it's better for a casual user. 

Let's say one uses b die and one uses a worse IC, and they have the same timings and frequency. Then the b die kit is better quality, but for a casual user it won't matter unless you're manually overclocking. 


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If you are building a PC what is your budget/country?


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12 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

I understand this, but the brands I mentioned are very reliable brands, but Samsung is not a very reputable brand when it comes to ram. I would personally go with the brands I listed. 

you... yo......... you do realize that Samsung is one of the 3 major supplies of memory chips in the entire world right?

 

 

You have Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron who make like 95% of the worlds Memory chips in use.... 


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9 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

Those brands make ram thats fine tuned for gaming, but as far as I know, Samsung doesnt make ram for gaming 

Just marketing bullshit mate. Samsung product a load of ram chips that are on those 'good brands', brand and actual manufacturer are different things. 


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28 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

And the brands i mentioned make quality sticks.

oh no no no.... They don't even make their RAM????? They get ICs from Hynix, Samsung, Micron or other manufacturers. Seeing has Samsung BDie is pre crazy to OC as well like where did you draw that conclusion mate? Also, wtf is ram for "gaming" ???????

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Samsung , Micron , Hynix, Nanya and other smaller players make the tiny memory chips that are on the memory sticks.

 

The chips come out at different quality grades and they're binned (sorted by minimum quality) and sold to various manufacturers.

As an example:

If a chip can achieve 3000 Mhz using some standard parameters at a default voltage like 1.2v, it's binned in the 2666 Mhz bucket.

If a chip can achieve 2666 Mhz using some standard parameters at a default voltage like 1.2v, it's binned in the 2400 Mhz bucket.

Everything else, it's put in the 2133 Mhz bucket.

 

RAM stick manufacturers like Kingston, Corsair etc buy hundreds of thousands of such chips from these various "quality" categories and do an extra binning ... they take each chip and see what's the maximum frequency the chip can handle if the voltage is raised above the standard 1.2v (for example 1.3v or 1.35v) and if those standard parameters are loosened. 

So for example, out of 10.000 chips binned in the 2666 Mhz bucket, let's say:

- 10% can achieve 4200+ Mhz - so they'll be put on sticks that are sold as 3733 Mhz or 4000Mhz sticks (so user can still squeeze an extra tiny overclock and be happy)

- 40% can achieve up to 3800 Mhz - so these go on 3600 Mhz sticks

- 30% can achieve up to 3600-3700 Mhz - so these go on 3200 Mhz sticks

- 20% can only go up to around 3100 Mhz - so these go on 2666 Mhz or 3000 Mhz sticks

 

The really crappy chips sometimes go on 2400-2666 Mhz ECC server sticks, or those budget cheap 2400-2666 DDR4 sticks, where there's no expectation of overclocking.

 

A company like Samsung that makes their own sticks as well is not really interested in saving the best chips they make to put on their own sticks, they'll sell those at a higher profit to companies like Corsair, Gskill etc  so just because Samsung makes very good chips for ram, there's no guarantee that the sticks made by Samsung are very good, in fact most often they're not. It's more likely they're use whatever doesn't sell on their memory sticks.

 

"Gaming" sticks are just marketing... it's just different heatsink or something like that, the computer uses those ram sticks just like any other ram, there's no "optimization" or special something to make such ram sticks better for gaming. 

 

There's single rank or double rank sticks, single rank sticks can achieve higher frequencies if you overclock and they're more expensive because they typically use bigger capacity chips (ex 2 GB chips x 8 chips = 16 GB single rank stick).

Dual rank sticks can actually be better than single rank sticks in some applications and games, because while one rank on the stick is busy transferring data, the cpu can queue commands or prepare the other rank of chips on the stick to give some other data, instead of waiting until the transfer on the first rank of chips is done, then placing the order for other data and waiting for data to start transferring (there's nanoseconds worth of time saved when retrieving or storing data in ram, sometimes it helps a bit, most time it's too small of a difference to matter)

 

Majority of sticks on the market above 8 GB will be dual rank (2R) which is fine, the only thing you may want to be aware is that if depending on the motherboard quality if you install four dual rank sticks, the cpu may not be able to communicate with all four at the advertised speed - ex. if you have a cheap motherboard and 4 3600 Mhz sticks, you may have to lower the frequency to 3200 Mhz or sometimes even lower.

 

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

They are okay but go with Corsair, HyperX, G.Skill, or Kingston.

fun fact... none of these companies make dram chips. with saying samsung is unreliable you're saying every single company of these is unreliable because they have multiple kits using their dram chips. some of them have shown some major issues, for example Corsair with vengeance lpx sometimes not meeting xmp speeds, and you call them reliable

 

to be honest, everything comes out of 4 companies here. SK Hynix, Samsung, Micron and Nanya... and as you guessed, Samsung is even the biggest of them in production

 

anyways, if you're looking for samsung b die, these are commonly found in 4000+ mhz kits, as well as 3200 cl14 kits. keep in mind that some kits also shift between it and dies like Hynix CJR/DJR/JJR and Micron E-die.


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44 minutes ago, MojaveTM06 said:

Samsung is not a very reputable brand when it comes to ram

What makes you say that?


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Just to chime in here about the whole Samsung memory discussion above, there was obviously some poor wording on @MojaveTM06's part, but saying you probably shouldn't go for Samsung branded memory is not bad advice imo, as in actual Samsung memory will likely just be the usual green PCB with no heatspreader and have any possible ICs under the sun on it, since they don't actually bin those memory chips. For all you know, you could get a memory stick that won't go 50MHz above JEDEC 2133MHz.

To my knowledge, they mostly sell memory sticks for the enterprise market, so for servers and such, where speed doesn't matter at all.

On the other hand, "GaMiNg" memory is.. yeah. No.

 

On topic though, brand doesn't really matter nowadays since, as mentioned several times above, most of those brands don't even actually manufacture the DRAM that sits underneath those heatspreaders. The closest that comes to actually being that way is Crucial, since they're owned by Micron, which is one of the largest DRAM manufacturers in the world, along with Samsung, Hynix, and a few others.

 

You'll want to go for a "dual-channel" kit, that is to say two memory sticks instead of just one. Running memory in single-channel will impact your CPU's performance quite severely.

Considering DDR4 pricing nowadays, even for a value build, there's no point in going with a 2133/2400MHz kit, when 3000/3200MHz are basically the same price.

 

3200 CL16 is a good middle ground, as in it's not trash for performance, and it's cheap. This is the case both for Intel and AMD.

 

3600 CL16 costs slightly more but it's also the best sweet spot for most, especially if you just plan on enabling XMP and forgetting about it (on that note, make sure the memory kit you get is listed on your motherboard's QVL, just so you don't have to do any potential extra tinkering to get XMP to work).

 

If price isn't an issue, Samsung B-die kits like 3200 CL14 (14-14-14-34) or 3600 CL16 (16-16-16-36) are really solid options for both out of the box performance and overclocking potential.


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5 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

3600 CL16 (16-16-16-36)

just a quick note... these are more likely to be Hynix CJR/DJR/JJR or Micron E timings, but indeed do have a chance of samsung b

 

all do overclock very well, though


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