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Issue with MSI Afterburner? Or low performance?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi I've just finished my first build and wanted to compare it to youtube benchmarks.

However, the yt vid im using is displaying about 150fps on overwatch 1080p epic settings, whereas my msi afterburner / riva overlay seems to be stuck at 70 fps, even dipping below that at some points.

I have no idea whats going on. Is this an issue with my msi hopefully, or is something wrong with my build?

Thanks in advance and any help is appreciated.

 

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CPU: Ryzen 5 3600

GPU: Gigabyte 1660 Super

Mobo: Asus Prime B450M-A

Monitor: Lenovo 1440p l24q 60Hz

RAM : Hyperx Fury 3200 MHz

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CPU bottleneck, can happen even when not at 100% load be cause of clock speeds.


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You haven't listed your specs. We need all your computer specs, as well as what monitor you have.


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5 minutes ago, SSK-99 said:

Hi I've just finished my first build and wanted to compare it to youtube benchmarks.

However, the yt vid im using is displaying about 150fps on overwatch 1080p epic settings, whereas my msi afterburner / riva overlay seems to be stuck at 70 fps, even dipping below that at some points.

I have no idea whats going on. Is this an issue with my msi hopefully, or is something wrong with my build?

Thanks in advance and any help is appreciated.

CPU bottleneck...which cpu are you using with what gpu

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Abdullah Bhutta said:

CPU bottleneck...which cpu are you using with what gpu

 

 

3 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

You haven't listed your specs. We need all your computer specs, as well as what monitor you have.

 

3 minutes ago, Not Wills said:

CPU bottleneck, can happen even when not at 100% load be cause of clock speeds.

Specs added... shouldnt be a CPU bottleneck

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Because when I went from the r3 1200 to the r5  3600 both w with a 970 my FPS doubled in MC even if the other CPU was not maxxed


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Current builds:

Main system: AMD ryzen 5 3600 (No OC (Thermal reasons)) | Stock AMD cooler | Gigabyte B450m gaming | Zotac GTX 970 dual fan (OC, Core base: 1366, Core boost: 1440, Memory: 4206) (+200 core +700 memory) | Corsair 2x8GB 2666Mhz DDR4 | Kingston A400 240gb x2.

Laptop: Toshiba a110-274 | Intel core solo T1350 | Intel 945GM Express | 2x512mb 533Mhz DDR2 sodim | Seagate Momentus .3 7200rpm | Intel pro Wi-fi.

 

Coming soon:

Server build: x2 Xeon E5 2450 | HP Proliant DL360e Gen 8 | Quadro K620 | 4x500GB 7200rpm hdd | Kingston a400 240gb | 32gb ddr3 ECC. (On hold)

Small form factor gaming PC: AMD ryzen 5 3600 (It's here!) | Zotac GTX 970 dual fan (on-hand) | Asus B450I (coming soon-ish)  | 2x Kingston a400 240gb (on-hand).

 

Selling soon:

Mb | combo: AMD ryzen 3 1200 (OCed to 3.625Ghz) (1.21V) | Stock AMD cooler | Gigabyte B450m gaming | 

Dell prebuilt: Intel i3 8100 | Dell Z370 | Dell cooler 80mmm | Dell GTX 1050 | Crucial 1x8gb 2400Mhz DDR4 | Toshiba A300 1tb. (Sold)

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1 minute ago, SSK-99 said:

 

 

Specs added... shouldnt be a CPU bottleneck

You're running a 1440p monitor, which is an enormous increase in pixel count over 1080p.  It's over 70% more pixels that the GPU has to render.  You've got a 60hz monitor though, so there isn't much point in a high frame rate.  Your monitor can only show 60fps because it only refreshes 60 times per second.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Not Wills said:

Because when I went from the r3 1200 to the r5  3600 both w with a 970 my FPS doubled in MC even if the other CPU was not maxxed

Right, thats good information to have, thanks. But if im not mistaken the 3600 should not even be close to bottlenecking the 1660 Super?

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Just now, SSK-99 said:

Right, thats good information to have, thanks. But if im not mistaken the 3600 should not even be close to bottlenecking the 1660 Super?

Right now there's almost no way you don't have a GPU bottleneck.  If you want to put the load on the CPU, turn down those graphics settings.


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2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

You're running a 1440p monitor, which is an enormous increase in pixel count over 1080p.  It's over 70% more pixels that the GPU has to render.  You've got a 60hz monitor though, so there isn't much point in a high frame rate.  Your monitor can only show 60fps because it only refreshes 60 times per second.

I understand but my resolution is set to 1080p. Also, I know fps over 60 doesnt show on 60Hz but I need to know if my system isnt performing correctly because it could be a problem when I play more demanding games which are supposed to run at e.g. 80+fps, but instead run at 40 fps on my system

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3 minutes ago, SSK-99 said:

Right, thats good information to have, thanks. But if im not mistaken the 3600 should not even be close to bottlenecking the 1660 Super?

If you are doing only gaming it will most likely not bottleneck a 2080ti as a 1080ti or 2070 does not bottleneck it


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Quote me or @Not Wills for a reply!

Contact info on my profile!

All my builds below!

 

Current builds:

Main system: AMD ryzen 5 3600 (No OC (Thermal reasons)) | Stock AMD cooler | Gigabyte B450m gaming | Zotac GTX 970 dual fan (OC, Core base: 1366, Core boost: 1440, Memory: 4206) (+200 core +700 memory) | Corsair 2x8GB 2666Mhz DDR4 | Kingston A400 240gb x2.

Laptop: Toshiba a110-274 | Intel core solo T1350 | Intel 945GM Express | 2x512mb 533Mhz DDR2 sodim | Seagate Momentus .3 7200rpm | Intel pro Wi-fi.

 

Coming soon:

Server build: x2 Xeon E5 2450 | HP Proliant DL360e Gen 8 | Quadro K620 | 4x500GB 7200rpm hdd | Kingston a400 240gb | 32gb ddr3 ECC. (On hold)

Small form factor gaming PC: AMD ryzen 5 3600 (It's here!) | Zotac GTX 970 dual fan (on-hand) | Asus B450I (coming soon-ish)  | 2x Kingston a400 240gb (on-hand).

 

Selling soon:

Mb | combo: AMD ryzen 3 1200 (OCed to 3.625Ghz) (1.21V) | Stock AMD cooler | Gigabyte B450m gaming | 

Dell prebuilt: Intel i3 8100 | Dell Z370 | Dell cooler 80mmm | Dell GTX 1050 | Crucial 1x8gb 2400Mhz DDR4 | Toshiba A300 1tb. (Sold)

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Just now, SSK-99 said:

I understand but my resolution is set to 1080p. Also, I know fps over 60 doesnt show on 60Hz but I need to know if my system isnt performing correctly because it could be a problem when I play more demanding games which are supposed to run at e.g. 80+fps, but instead run at 40 fps on my system

Are you running the latest BIOS and video and chipset drivers? 

Have you checked thermals?

Is your RAM running in dual-channel with the XMP/DOCP profile enabled?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Are you running the latest BIOS and video and chipset drivers? 

Have you checked thermals?

Is your RAM running in dual-channel with the XMP/DOCP profile enabled?

Video and chipset drivers up to date. Not sure about BIOS.

Thermals seem ok: about 70C on CPU  and max 76C on GPU, which I've read is ok.

DOCP profile is enabled

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your system knows how much hz the monitor is and if you say to it the increase the fps it will always be a bottleneck and can transmit max of 60 fps on 60 hz monitor

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1 minute ago, SSK-99 said:

Video and chipset drivers up to date. Not sure about BIOS.

Thermals seem ok: about 70C on CPU  and max 76C on GPU, which I've read is ok.

DOCP profile is enabled

with load or without load?

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2 minutes ago, SSK-99 said:

DOCP profile is enabled

And it is dual-channel? You can check either using CPU-Z (under the Memory tab you should see "Channels: Dual") or by visually inspecting your motherboard - if you have two sticks, they should be alternating slots (2 and 4 / 1 and 3).

 

1 minute ago, Abdullah Bhutta said:

your system knows how much hz the monitor is and if you say to it the increase the fps it will always be a bottleneck and can transmit max of 60 fps on 60 hz monitor

I think you're talking about VSync. OP's getting 70+ FPS on a 60Hz panel, so VSync is not enabled.


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4 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

There's nothing wrong with a 1440p 60hz monitor, and there's no reason to insult people.  It's just not an ideal choice for Overwatch, or any competitive game.

I suggest making use of MSI Afterburner.  Go into the settings and enable the overlay for GPU usage and CPU usage for every core.

Ok I will try that when I get back to my PC. Thanks for the help. Also, as per the OP could it be a problem with  my Riva overlay, since it doesnt seem to be responding correctly e.g. I have checked in game overlay for min fps, avg fps etc and yet it doesnt seem to show up in game?

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1 minute ago, Abdullah Bhutta said:

your system knows how much hz the monitor is and if you say to it the increase the fps it will always be a bottleneck and can transmit max of 60 fps on 60 hz monitor

Unless you have V-Sync on (which he obviously doesn't if he's getting 70fps), your framerate will be uncapped.  That introduces bad tearing, which is why it's generally not done, but it's fine for testing performance.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Abdullah Bhutta said:

with load or without load?

Under load

 

At idle CPU is 40-45C. Never really checked GPU at idle

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

And it is dual-channel? You can check either using CPU-Z (under the Memory tab you should see "Channels: Dual") or by visually inspecting your motherboard - if you have two sticks, they should be alternating slots (2 and 4 / 1 and 3).

Yes definitely inserted in A2 and B2 slots. Will check CPU-Z when I get pack to the PC.

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3 minutes ago, SSK-99 said:

Ok I will try that when I get back to my PC. Thanks for the help. Also, as per the OP could it be a problem with  my Riva overlay, since it doesnt seem to be responding correctly e.g. I have checked in game overlay for min fps, avg fps etc and yet it doesnt seem to show up in game?

For reference, this is what you need to change:

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Click the settings (you can use Ctrl+Click to select multiple at the same time) and then check the "Show in On-Screen Display" box.

 

Also go to the "On-Screen Display" tab and set your own shortcut for toggling the OSD.  I use Alt+Comma, because they're right next to each other and nothing else uses that AFAIK.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

For reference, this is what you need to change:

OSD.png.b8134d0e0b290f582911d56d5f1421ef.png

Click the settings (you can use Ctrl+Click to select multiple at the same time) and then check the "Show in On-Screen Display" box.

 

Also go to the "On-Screen Display" tab and set your own shortcut for toggling the OSD.  I use Alt+Comma, because they're right next to each other and nothing else uses that AFAIK.

Thats the thing... I have checked loads of assets e.g. min fps, avg fps and ticked the 'Show in OSD' box and it shows up as 'in OSD' but they don't appear.

May try reinstalling

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Just now, SSK-99 said:

Thats the thing... I have checked loads of assets e.g. min fps, avg fps and ticked the 'Show in OSD' box and it shows up as 'in OSD' but they don't appear.

May try reinstalling

Have you set the toggle combination and activated it in game?


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