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i7 10700k - Ryzen 7 3700x

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2 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

which was Piledriver and all other Buldozer

Yea I'm aware of the problems with buldozer's problems and they're fpu. I just didn't understand what you meant by that lol..


Fun Fact: The Meshify c is the best case to ever exist.

 

 

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3100.

B550m TuF plus.

Hyper x rgb 8 gig stick. (MJR or CJR  i still don't know lol).

1650 super.

CX450.

MX500.

NX500.

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, ValorantIsBetterThanCsgo said:

Basically the title. Im personally for the AMD alternative, much better value, fairly similair performance etc. But after having taken a look at graphs like these... i dunno... 
Id be using it to game primarily, but usually id have a youtube video or spotify or discord or everything at once running on my second and third monitor. 
Goal is to get 144fps or higher in most competetive games like everything from Valorant to Rainbow Six, while also running discord and chrome bla bla bla. 

Is the chart representative of how it really is? If so, do you guys think the few fps are worth it? Do you guys have any negative or positive experience with either? I expect to be bombarded with "GO AMD WE R IN 2020" answers, but id rather ask a dumb question than buy a wrong cpu 
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The chart is very accurate.

My i7 8086k gets 162fps average so about the same as a i5 10600k.

 

At 1440p SOTTR Is close to becoming GPU bound with a 2080 ti so all the high end Intel and AMD CPUs bunch up with no real difference between them. 

 

I only use Intel CPUs because of my modded games are CPU bound even a 4k. For my vanilla games I could use either CPU since I mainly play at 3840 X 1600 or 4k.

 

So if you play competitive games at 1080p or play modded/building games that use older engines get Intel.  If you play AAA games at 1440p or higher get either one.  


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i9 10900k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero | RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB DDR4 4000 | GPU: EVGA  RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: SilverStone PF360 | SSD#1: Crucial P1 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 2TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV

 

RIG#3 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3600 | GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 ti SC | PSU: Corsair RM850x | Case: Streacom BC1.1S | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor:Samsung 28" 4k 60hz  

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Posted · Original PosterOP

goddDAMN these r more people than i expected x). I wanna thank all of u guys first of all, and yeah ive gone through all your replies and in conclusion

First of all: Jesus christ i know less than i thought I knew
Second of all: Zen 3 is a really good point, i might wait for some more news on that before buying anything at all

Depending on whether or not i manage to sell my old pc components, i might be able to get a cpu and an rtx 2070s (im not quite rich enough for 2080 yet) so thats a possibility. When it comes to intel/amd im still very split, on the one hand intel is (allegedly) easier to install and better rounded off, has better performance for games, but the 3700x has more multitasking ability and supports PCIE 4.0 (which may be something important in the future, i presume)

10600(k) 
+4.1 ghz + Low cost
-6 Cores

10700(k)
+Octa-core
=3.8 ghz
-High Cost

7 3700x
+Octa-core +x570
=Medium cost
-3.4 ghz

Did I forget anything? And if not, are 6 Cores really futureproof too? 

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4 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

12 threads should handle a game, Discord, Chrome, Spotify and other junk in the background just fine. I wouldn't really worry about it.

 

Prices vary a fair bit depending on the country, but going by Germany pricing on PCPP here's what I'd recommend considering your budget:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor €273.79 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler €69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard €215.47 @ Alza
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total €559.16
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-01 11:10 CEST+0200  

I'd also look for a Z490 Gaming Edge WIFI (ATX, not the mATX variant), since it has a slightly better VRM than the Tomahawk.

There's also the Z490 Vision G, which is ever so slightly behind the Tomahawk in terms of VRM, but it's got tons of rear IO connectivity and a white aesthetic if you're into that.

 

If you end up changing your mind and favouring the extra threads, for around the same price as the Z490 Tomahawk I'd look for either of these boards for a 3700X and plenty of future upgradability: X570 Tomahawk, B550 Aorus Pro, B550 Gaming Edge WIFI/Tomahawk (on B550, the Tomahawk and GE WIFI have identical VRMs as opposed to Z490), Strix B550-F.

In what way is your suggested motherboard better than an MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Plus (which ive seen at 160 euros)?

EDIT: nvm i just found your suggestion for 180 which isnt much more

 

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14 minutes ago, ValorantIsBetterThanCsgo said:

In what way is your suggested motherboard better than an MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Plus (which ive seen at 160 euros)?

Iirc that's got the same VRM as on the Z490-A Pro. For just 20 euro more, even the Tomahawk is quite a lot better, but the Gaming Edge WIFI even more so, if you can find it for a fair price.


Desktop: Intel Core i9-9900K | be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 | ASUS Strix Z390-F |G.Skill Trident Z Neo (2x16GB, 3200MHz CL14) | EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC Ultra | Corsair RM650x | Fractal Design Define R6

Laptop: 2018 Apple MacBook Pro 13" (i5-8259U | 8GB LPDDR3 | 512GB NVMe)

Peripherals: Ducky Shine 7 (Cherry MX Brown) | Logitech MX Master 3 & Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed | Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro Plus | Audio-Technica AT2020USB+

Displays: Alienware AW2521HF & BenQ BL2420PT

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41 minutes ago, ValorantIsBetterThanCsgo said:

goddDAMN these r more people than i expected x). I wanna thank all of u guys first of all, and yeah ive gone through all your replies and in conclusion

First of all: Jesus christ i know less than i thought I knew
Second of all: Zen 3 is a really good point, i might wait for some more news on that before buying anything at all

Depending on whether or not i manage to sell my old pc components, i might be able to get a cpu and an rtx 2070s (im not quite rich enough for 2080 yet) so thats a possibility. When it comes to intel/amd im still very split, on the one hand intel is (allegedly) easier to install and better rounded off, has better performance for games, but the 3700x has more multitasking ability and supports PCIE 4.0 (which may be something important in the future, i presume)

10600(k) 
+4.1 ghz + Low cost
-6 Cores

10700(k)
+Octa-core
=3.8 ghz
-High Cost

7 3700x
+Octa-core +x570
=Medium cost
-3.4 ghz

Did I forget anything? And if not, are 6 Cores really futureproof too? 

Yes no maybe, that depends on PS5 and XBSX mainly, can these consoles fully use their 8-cores and GPU at the same time? If the answer is no, 6-cores I will bet is a safe bet since the 8-cores on next Gen might be thermally limited. How ever if it is not then only a 8-core will do and if FPU heavy games will be the norm thanks to said console I fear Comet Lake may not be future proof at all... OwO? 


1000 to 1700$ builds (August 2020)

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AMD 3200G APU (400$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/49vBMc

AMD 3400G APU (500$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/2zHPPn

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (1000$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/PLBXcq

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (1050$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/dvnTGc

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (1200$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/js7hhg

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (1500$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/KbgL8M

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X (2000$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/Xb9WgJ

Intel Core i5-10400/10400F (1000$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/jTTBV7

Intel Core i7-10700/10700F (1250$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/3j969G

Intel Core i5-10400/10400F Z490 (1000$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/xdGpXv

Intel Core i5-10600K/10600KF Z490 (1200$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/hhvBMc

Intel Core i5-10600K/10600KF Z490 (1650$) build: pcpartpicker.com/list/TWmXK4

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Lake-V-X6-10600 (Gaming PC) | R20 score MC: 3529cb | R20 score SC: 506cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: Intel Core i5-10600 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.8GHz) Hexa-Core (Intel 14nm++++) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, Socket-LGA1200 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM: G.Skill Sniper X DDR4-2666MHz CL13-15-15-30-1T (2x8GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Zen-II-X6-3600 (Gaming PC) | R20 score MC: 3688cb | R20 score SC: 489cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (Base: @3.6GHz | Turbo: @4.2GHz) Hexa-Core (T.S.M.C. 7nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4, Socket-AM4 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM: HyperX Fury DDR4-3066MHz CL14-17-17-34-1T (2x8GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi & Bluetooth: ASUS PCE-AC55BT Wireless Adapter

Vishera-X8-9370 (old config 4)

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.7GHz) Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866MHz CL8-10-10-28-37-2T (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW4Jtg 

Godavari-X4-880 (old config 3)

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-40 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LBjbw6

Vishera-X8-8370 (old config 2)
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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-44 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Kylin 14.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW4Jtg

Kaveri-X4-860K (old config 1)

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD FX-8370 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SuperSC 2GB (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-2133MHz CL9-11-11-31-42 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Kylin 14.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Complete portable device SoC history:

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Apple A4 - Apple iPod touch (4th generation)
Apple A5 - Apple iPod touch (5th generation)
Apple A9 - Apple iPhone 6s Plus
MSM8926 - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
MSM8974AA - Blackberry Passport
MT2601 - TicWatch E
MT6580 - TECNO Spark 2 (1GB RAM)
MT6592M - my|phone my32 (orange)
MT6592M - my|phone my32 (yellow)
MT6735 - HMD Nokia 3 Dual SIM
MT6737 - Cherry Mobile Flare S6
MT6739 - my|phone myX8 (blue)
MT6739 - my|phone myX8 (gold)
MT6750 - Huawei honor 6C Pro / V9 Play
MT6765 - TECNO Pouvoir 3 Plus
MT6797D - my|phone Brown Tab 1
SDM710 - Oppo Realme 3 Pro

 

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