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Best cloning software for SSD/HDD?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Escanor said:

 

If you did not do sfc /scannow before making a clone and its corrupt the clone will obviously find corrupt files to best to do that first, then make a clone if explained this at work to where they use clones to deploy windows, it would be corrupt 100% before the time unless i made the clone image.

Why? its windows system that is corrupt, not the disk? And the windows system will be deleted anyway? I will be copying over the source drive with healthy windows to new?

 

2 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Disk is not power hungry, so it would never overload PSU.

About choppiness ,there might be so many things to cause issues... lately i had it when HPET wasn't turned off, but it might be peculiarity of my rig.

and the squeelchinig sound when i move my cursor? keep in mind that the 2nd drive have never been screwed into my box, it been loose. can that be reason? and lastly should i return it and get new if issue dont resolve? i think samsung have 5 year warranty?

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1 minute ago, Twister said:

and the squeelchinig sound when i move my cursor? keep in mind that the 2nd drive have never been screwed into my box, it been loose. can that be reason? and lastly should i return it and get new if issue dont resolve? i think samsung have 5 year warranty?

Hard to tell, maybe you could record the noise? Though most problems are from motherboard (not liking something).


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4 minutes ago, Twister said:

Why? its windows system that is corrupt, not the disk? And the windows system will be deleted anyway? I will be copying over the source drive with healthy windows to new?

 

and the squeelchinig sound when i move my cursor? keep in mind that the 2nd drive have never been screwed into my box, it been loose. can that be reason? and lastly should i return it and get new if issue dont resolve? i think samsung have 5 year warranty?

The corrupt files are on the disk you clone the disk including the corrupt files, unless you repair them before making the clone

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Just now, Tan3l6 said:

Hard to tell, maybe you could record the noise? Though most problems are from motherboard (not liking something).

I tried to mount old ssd again and then it became quiet again  my computer. How can i record noise? its a kinda high pitch noise so its not something i can live with. (unlike fan noise those  i can live with and have become a natural sound for me now)

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1 minute ago, Twister said:

I tried to mount old ssd again and then it became quiet again  my computer. How can i record noise? its a kinda high pitch noise so its not something i can live with. (unlike fan noise those  i can live with and have become a natural sound for me now)

Well it might be the age of HDD showing, if you don't have a microphone then there's nothing to do... if yo can live with it then I guess its "resolved"


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Just now, Escanor said:

The corrupt files are on the disk you clone the disk including the corrupt files, unless you repair them before making the clone

Yes, to make it clear

 

Disk A is the disk i wanna clone (my old disk) , Disk B is the disk I wanna become like disk A (the new disk), disk B have the corrupt system windows files, disk A have zero problems with either windows, any software or hardware, and oh for additional input its disk B that are making the weird noise also , and runs the mouse cursor choppy and system feels clunky slow. Also temp on disk B is quite high crystal said, its 36 degrees, while the other is only 24 degrees

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1 minute ago, Tan3l6 said:

Well it might be the age of HDD showing, if you don't have a microphone then there's nothing to do... if yo can live with it then I guess its "resolved"

whats HDD? i have a phone it has microphone? but i dont know how to put it here. No i said its NOT something i can live with. The high pitch sound make my ear drums bleed to be blunt.

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1 minute ago, Twister said:

whats HDD? i have a phone it has microphone? but i dont know how to put it here. No i said its NOT something i can live with. The high pitch sound make my ear drums bleed to be blunt.

Hard disk drive... I assumed the noise maker was regular hard drive. But all seems fine now as i conclude.


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3 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Hard disk drive... I assumed the noise maker was regular hard drive. But all seems fine now as i conclude.

its an SSD the noise coming from

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1 minute ago, Twister said:

its an SSD the noise coming from

If it's under warranty I'd RMA it.


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2 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

If it's under warranty I'd RMA it.

Samsung, 5 year warranty, on the EVO product lines it says. Should i first clone my disk and see if it fixes the noise ? Maybe the install was error or corrupt making windows unstable that why idk. just thinking here.

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Just now, Twister said:

Should i first clone my disk and see if it fixes the noise ?

I guess it's the reasonable thing to do.


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Is it perfectly safe to have a SSD plugged in with SATA and the other cable (forgot name) without havin it screwed attached to your disk cage? 

 

Also how sensitive are SSDs ? Cause I may have dropped it on floor when i opened it the box (i opened it upside down and it fall out) (of course this isn't something i would say when / if i RMA it)

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19 minutes ago, Twister said:

Yes, to make it clear

 

Disk A is the disk i wanna clone (my old disk) , Disk B is the disk I wanna become like disk A (the new disk), disk B have the corrupt system windows files, disk A have zero problems with either windows, any software or hardware, and oh for additional input its disk B that are making the weird noise also , and runs the mouse cursor choppy and system feels clunky slow. Also temp on disk B is quite high crystal said, its 36 degrees, while the other is only 24 degrees

 

If you restored disk a to disk b and disk b finds corrupt files its the result of the backup having same corrupt files it will copy everything exactly as it was on disk a that is why i suggest first doing a sfc /scannow in the future before making the clone cos it saves time in the future and problems.

 

3 minutes ago, Twister said:

Is it perfectly safe to have a SSD plugged in with SATA and the other cable (forgot name) without havin it screwed attached to your disk cage? 

 

Also how sensitive are SSDs ? Cause I may have dropped it on floor when i opened it the box (i opened it upside down and it fall out) (of course this isn't something i would say when / if i RMA it)

 

You can tape the ssd to your case it still be fine as long the connection is good nothing bad can happen

 

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Just now, Escanor said:

 

If you restored disk a to disk b and disk b finds corrupt files its the result of the backup having same corrupt files it will copy everything exactly as it was on disk a that is why i suggest first doing a sfc /scannow in the future before making the clone cos it saves time in the future and problems.

i still dont understand you. 

 

i scanned my C drive on 25th july and everything was Fine OK

I bought my new drive on 26th july

I installed windows on it 28th july , it had corrupt system files

I switched back to my old drive again on 29th july, the weird noise stopped and the system windows scan turned out OK again

I switched back my new drive 30th july and corrupt system files and bad noise appear again

I haven't yet made a clone

Im gonna intend clone my old drive to new drive, putting all healthy things on the new one. 

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4 minutes ago, Twister said:

i still dont understand you. 

 

i scanned my C drive on 25th july and everything was Fine OK

I bought my new drive on 26th july

I installed windows on it 28th july , it had corrupt system files

I switched back to my old drive again on 29th july, the weird noise stopped and the system windows scan turned out OK again

I switched back my new drive 30th july and corrupt system files and bad noise appear again

I haven't yet made a clone

Im gonna intend clone my old drive to new drive, putting all healthy things on the new one. 

I guess the drive is faulty then however sfc /scannow is not a disk check tool it just checks for currupt files so perhaps you should go to right click the problematic drive then extra and check errors from there, you could probably hook it up externally to and check if the noise comes back then that certainly is not normal.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, Escanor said:

I guess the drive is faulty then however sfc /scannow is not a disk check tool it just checks for currupt files so perhaps you should go to right click the problematic drive then extra and check errors from there, you could probably hook it up externally to and check if the noise comes back then that certainly is not normal.

good idea. yea i know corrupt system files isnt about the drive itself being faulty. however in my theory a faulty drive could end up messing install correct way and making them corrupt. (during install process) in MY theory. cause the big question mark here is how can a brand new windows install already have corrupt system files? 

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6 minutes ago, Twister said:

good idea. yea i know corrupt system files isnt about the drive itself being faulty. however in my theory a faulty drive could end up messing install correct way and making them corrupt. (during install process) in MY theory. cause the big question mark here is how can a brand new windows install already have corrupt system files? 

Usually it is but if the drive its faulty its different story, if had plenty of times where it would make a difference safed me quite a lot of time to make an image without corrupt files so would not run into issues after deploying it on new machine, bassicly did this all day, now i am at home tho cos of corona.

We use network boot over network cos we cant just use multipli usb sticks for each machine.

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12 minutes ago, Escanor said:

Usually it is but if the drive its faulty its different story, if had plenty of times where it would make a difference safed me quite a lot of time to make an image without corrupt files so would not run into issues after deploying it on new machine, bassicly did this all day, now i am at home tho cos of corona.

We use network boot over network cos we cant just use multipli usb sticks for each machine.

found this answer at tom's hardware

For non mechanical electronics a high pitch whine is normally caused by a vibration of a component at around 20 KHz. This is close to the freq used by some switching PS circuit. The SSD may (Do not know for sure) contain a PWM circuit to reduce the applied 5 Volts (From PSU) down to a lower voltage to be used by the cells.

I would verify that it infact is coming from the SSD. Remove the SSD but leave it connected should be able to stick your ear on the case. If it is the SSD RMA it.

Most common source is the PSU. That being the PSU, or an excessive ripple component on the 5 V line.

 

and suggested upgrade firmware on SSD or RMA it. should i upgrade firmware before clone it? and how i upgrade firmware on samsung ssd?

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Believe its called coil whine gpu can also have it as well as power supply when it reaches fps targets of 1000+ or just very high load, ssd generally should lower voltages all that much i would assume there also 3.3v rail on power supplies would asume it would use that, anyway if never heard of coil whine on a ssd before

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Posted · Original PosterOP

just tried the game fortnite by default it put me on epic settings and my computer then suddenly became quiet as a silent mouse. nothing. even the ssd stopped making noise. but as soon i get back to windows again, it starts buzzing like a bee locked in a water bottle again. and the mouse cursor moves choppy around the screen with every pixel moved making the noise screech more. 

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i now tried cloning my disk with the program macrium reflect and it failed, when i tried to use my new ssd to boot windows i get this error message.

 

i even tried to fix it by options here and use windows usb stick and also the repair failed. i even watched several youtube videos how to do the cloning and i followed exactly everything they did in steps and it worked for them but not for me. 

 

sorry im writing from an old laptop and i dont know how to resize the image if its large.

 

basicly the window says 'your device needs to be repaired' after i try use the new ssd to boot up from.

 

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7 hours ago, Twister said:

i now tried cloning my disk with the program macrium reflect and it failed, when i tried to use my new ssd to boot windows i get this error message.

 

i even tried to fix it by options here and use windows usb stick and also the repair failed. i even watched several youtube videos how to do the cloning and i followed exactly everything they did in steps and it worked for them but not for me. 

 

sorry im writing from an old laptop and i dont know how to resize the image if its large.

 

basicly the window says 'your device needs to be repaired' after i try use the new ssd to boot up from.

 

 

Boot back into Reflect and somewhere there's an option that says Fix Windows Boot Issues, click it then click next a few times.


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8 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Boot back into Reflect and somewhere there's an option that says Fix Windows Boot Issues, click it then click next a few times.

i did this instead and it solved it



BCD store needs fixing. That's rather common problem after cloning.
Boot from windows installation media/command prompt and execute:
bootrec /rebuildbcd

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