WARNING: RANT!! why can't computers ever just be reliable

[Letgomyleghoe]

4 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Which would have been even further behind because they don't use it. Resolve is still slower than FC anyway. 

my guy, come on, have you even used resolve? i have used both final cut and resolve and will always prefer resolve, also fc costs 299$ where as resolve is free lmao, kinda funny how you have to pay more money for the "reason" that would already spend more money to buy a mac.

[Lord Vile]

Just now, Letgomyleghoe said:

this video was a competition between editors more than anything, she has little experience with windows, 2 keyboards doesnt matter unless youre have four hands and 3 brains so thats not big deal. whoever from ltt also has more experience and knowledge being a literal paid editor, time editing videos doesnt matter, and is not a show of your skill.

kinda funny how resolve being a free software still shreks both final cut and premier. 

The keyboards matter because one is loaded with Macros, unless you think literal shorcuts aren't a big deal. 

[Letgomyleghoe]

2 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

The keyboards matter because one is loaded with Macros, unless you think literal shorcuts aren't a big deal. 

can you run shortcuts in mac/ final cut? if you cant its just another reason why a windows pc is superior, and using the pc to its full ability

 

[Lord Vile]

Just now, Letgomyleghoe said:

my guy, come on, have you even used resolve? i have used both final cut and resolve and will always prefer resolve, also fc costs 299$ where as resolve is free lmao,

 

I have resolve on my Mac and Pc so yes? Not for video editing though. 

 

The real version of reslove isn't free. If you wanted to use it properly you'll need to pony up for the $299 version. 

[Lord Vile]

Just now, Letgomyleghoe said:

can you run shortcuts in mac/ final cut? if you cant its just another reason why a windows pc is superior

 

Because you can make macros to speed up bad software so it can still be slower than the competently written software on MacOS? 

[spartaman64]

10 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Which would have been even further behind because they don't use it. Resolve is still slower than FC anyway. 

https://www.4kshooters.net/2020/05/16/final-cut-pro-vs-davinci-resolve-performance-in-2020/

seems like resolve and final cut trade blows even on apple's own hardware. and you can buy a pc with much more hardware capability for the same price and blow final cut out of the water

[spartaman64]

8 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

I have resolve on my Mac and Pc so yes? Not for video editing though. 

 

The real version of reslove isn't free. If you wanted to use it properly you'll need to pony up for the $299 version. 

unless you are doing actual professional work and need to collaborate with like 20+ other people the free version isnt really gimped much at all. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

37 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

True, let's see how it goes for them and their sales I already know a few IT professionals that use MacBooks for work and they are about to ditch Apple because of that move, since it restricts their ability to run Windows.

well, there will still be intel Mac's released, on top of that my speculation is that Appl,e is working with Microsoft to get Windows on ARM support for the new Mac's.

 

for me it doesn't matter since i have a secondary device if i must run Windows. also, i'm pretty sure virtualization support will come, and even the possibility of x86 emulation to run full Windows. 

 

that concept was explored here:

 

now, yes that's of course third party but it shows it is possible. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

28 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

kinda funny how resolve being a free software still shreks both final cut and premier. 

source for it being faster/better than final cut?

[Nena Trinity]

Tried Ubuntu? Seems more stable with some hardware more so than Windows... 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, Nena Trinity said:

Tried Ubuntu? Seems more stable with some hardware more so than Windows... 

i did and ew. ic an rant for an hour about ubuntu maybe even longer

[Kilrah]

  

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

i ran catalina since the beta and it's been stable the entire time... 

A friend of mine lost years worth of emails when Apple Mail crapped itself on the couple first catalina revisions.

 

42 minutes ago, Ashley said:

well, there will still be intel Mac's released

Only for the next 2 years if what's been said is to be believed.

 

42 minutes ago, Ashley said:

my speculation is that Appl,e is working with Microsoft to get Windows on ARM support for the new Mac's.

Useless if the popular app publishers don't make ARM versions of their apps

 

42 minutes ago, Ashley said:

and even the possibility of x86 emulation to run full Windows. 

With appalling performance.

[Nena Trinity]

33 minutes ago, Ashley said:

i did and ew. ic an rant for an hour about ubuntu maybe even longer

Then the only possible answer is defective hardware, I dunno buy a MAC?

[Lord Vile]

1 hour ago, spartaman64 said:

unless you are doing actual professional work and need to collaborate with like 20+ other people the free version isnt really gimped much at all. 

And work in HDR

 

1 hour ago, spartaman64 said:

https://www.4kshooters.net/2020/05/16/final-cut-pro-vs-davinci-resolve-performance-in-2020/

seems like resolve and final cut trade blows even on apple's own hardware. and you can buy a pc with much more hardware capability for the same price and blow final cut out of the water

In H265. Try H264

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

And work in HDR

 

In H265. Try H264

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Export is always where the biggest challenge is for laptops and video editing. On the MacBook using Compressor you are maxing out the GPU and using a small portion of the CPU the one minute project took 3 minutes and 54 seconds. Not the most impressive numbers.

Using the same settings in Resolve it seems to be able to use more of the computer’s processing power, though it does kick on the fans. This resulted in a massive improvement in speed, lowering export times to just 1 minute 41 seconds, or twice as fast.

im guessing the first test they used h.264 though im not really sure but they did mention the h.265 is the more intensive test compared to the first one

[Vishera]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I've built dozens of custom PCs in the past few years and pretty much none had issues that weren't immediately visible and easy to diagnose like a DOA PSU or some other part. Other than that - no issues. So it may be likely that there's something you're missing or doing incorrectly and you're not even aware of it.

May be bad luck in theory, but if it's almost every PC you build then I'm sorry to say it starts to look like a pattern, and not just bad luck.

From my experience diagnosing various PC issues for various people, in about 70% of cases the PEBCAK is at fault. PEBCAK means - Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard The rest is usually bad configuration or defective parts.

You're saying that Apple products such as Macs are more reliable - besides the OS variance, the underlying hardware is the same. CPUs are normal Intel CPUs, GPUs are normal AMD/Nvidia GPUs, RAMs are normal third-party RAM modules, they are regular devices with just as many issues as other Windows-based devices in the same price range. There's no magic there - the difference is that they are made so the user has little-to-no say in configuration and customization because they assume that their customers are... Let's just call them not very tech-savvy (which may be a competely valid approach).

This comment is so underrated, @Morgan MLGman is right and explain things well,the only problem is this:

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

RAMs are normal third-party RAM modules

The RAM modules are first party,and usually soldered to the board,same story with storage. 

So in that sense if you have a problem with your RAM or SSD it will be a pain to fix it,the guys at the genius bar will just replace the whole board (with a referbuished one) and your data is gone (Apple doesn't care about the data of the customer,nor offer data recovery services).

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

47 minutes ago, Vishera said:

(Apple doesn't care about the data of the customer,nor offer data recovery services).

Wrong. Time Machine has been an amazing backup solution since it's launch in '07, anything on windows does not even come close. if you give them your Time Machine drive they will do the restore for you because it's a bit of a pain (you have to boot to recovery and then restore the system). 

 

it is true that apple does not do data recovery if your machine dies and you're stupid enough not to backup your stuff. but the same can be said for any manufacturer. if you call MSI or Asus and are like yo my drive died can you do data recovery do you seriously think they can/will do that?

 

therefore i think they do care abotu the customer's data. icloud sync (which is more complete than Windows's sync with onedrive) is enabled by default and they made Time Machine. 

[straight_stewie]

6 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Wrong

What is the actual complaint that you're levying in this thread?

That Mac is better because you aren't good at system maintenance?

I mean, not to be mean, but that is really what it sounds like you're saying here.

Mac may very well be better, I don't really know about that. But I do know that if it is better, it's not because you didn't know how to fix a Windows computer.

[Vishera]

27 minutes ago, Ashley said:

if you call MSI or Asus and are like yo my drive died can you do data recovery do you seriously think they can/will do that?

Unlike Apple,in MSI and ASUS machines you can pull the drive out and send it to a data recovery specialist,with Apple machines you have to send the whole machine to third party repair,

And they have to get the drive to a state where they can pull the data off it.

 

27 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Wrong

What's wrong in what i said?,Time machine is nice and all,but if you send a faulty machine to apple they will just swap the board with no regard to the data of the customer.

And if the machine is not booting,you can't just pull the drive off the machine (even if the drive itself is fine and dandy).

[Jet_ski]

On 7/19/2020 at 9:47 AM, Ashley said:

i'm seriously getting frustrated now. if i build a computer no matter what i get issues. my current pc (i3 8100, Z370-P, 16GB Ram and a few ssd's), is having super weird problems and i'm just sick of this custom pc space at this point. 

 

basically, i was getting some graphical glitching which went away and recenty came back, and it won't stay in sleep reliably. if i do that it'll turn on in the middle of the night. now, that doesn't sound like a big deal. i'm not expecting a dead gpu, since i can play the witcher 3 for hours with no crashing, lines on the screen or weird color glitching. however, it's recently developed a new fault. if i turn it on, there is a chance it'll beep at me that i don't have displays connected, even when i do have displays connected and it won't boot. i then need to unplug and plug displays back in until it decides it wants to work. also, the main screen does not turn on if i boot the machine. i have to turn it off from standby and turn it back on before it decides it's connected. 

 

i'm so sick of it. if this was an 8 or 10 year old computer sure, i'd expect issues. but this is a modern machine still!!! i'm just so done with this whole thing. i need a reliable computer, i have things to do. a machine that randomly decides it doesn't want to work anymore is unacceptable for me. 

 

i'm jsut so sick of it. why msut it be like this? i'm not even talking these issues specifically now, also Windows just deciding to break my gpu driver and i have to spend an hour to get it back to normal is just... why? why do we as customers accept this? 

 

i'm just at the point where i don't trust pc's anymore. at all. even if i build them myself and i know i didn't make a mistake, i just cannot rely on them. 

 

my only option right now is to unplug my pc entirely and plug my macbook pro into my setup. i don't want to do that, as my macbook pro is 8 years old and certainly not the fastest computer in the world anymore. however, say what you want about macbooks, but i got this one used 2 years ago. it's been in my backpack every day for 1.5 years to school, where it ran heavy compute tasks like VM's which would let it sit at 100% utilization for hours at a time. it's been my main computer for a while before when the pc i had at the time broke, so it was at school all day running heavy tasks and then plugged into my main setup at home and used heavily again. it's been through hell, dropped various times, sat in a damp backpack after a heavy rainstorm more than once, used on trains with loads of vibration while running at 90+ degrees if i had to finish schoolwork on my way home.... and it's still working flawlessly. it's only stopped working once which was my mistake, i broke the drive cable when swapping drives into it. apart form that which was a €10 and 15 minute fix, it's never let me down once. 

 

how do pc customers still accept that machines that are 3 or 4 years old get unstable, need OS reinstalls, whatever else, when the competition exists? how? 

 

sorry for my rant, i'm jsut annoyed that i put a bunch of money into a computer that's just a doorstop at this point. i cannot rely on it therefore it's useless. i'm currently living in a temporary situation and i don't have easy access to spare parts, because at my parents house i've started with packing up all my things. 

 

i'm just so lucky to own some apple products, which are the only thing that are ever reliable for me for some weird reason. i don't know if it's a curse or what, but i'm just done.

 

i will keep my pc and i will try to diagnose it but i'm just sick and tired of needing to practically babysit and cuddle my computer all the time, putting hours every month into fixing problems and bugs, when i have a macbook pro that has never let me down before and i can know for a fact when i press the power button that it will start up. i no longer have that confidence in my pc. 

 

so, the current pc i have will likely be my last. until it dies completely i will continue to play games on it, but i'm gonna just start saving up and buy a console when it inevitebly dies.

I had very similar experiences that drove me to the Apple ecosystem. Open architecture is great in theory but it has some big flaws. The main flaw being that nobody is responsible for making sure these different parts work well with each other and with the operating system. There are so many protocols and standards that it's difficult even for the tech savvy people to figure out if a set of parts work together and how well.

 

And on the software side, the issues you are experiencing partially stem from the fact that Microsoft wants to keep their enterprise clients happy by providing an insane amount of backwards compatibility for software written many decades ago that are still used by companies and governments. When you look at a PC, you have to consider why the OS has all these compatibility features for things that you don't need/want and how much resources they sap from your device... I will stop myself there!

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

45 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Unlike Apple,in MSI and ASUS machines you can pull the drive out and send it to a data recovery specialist

you realize that asus for sure also has devices with soldered storage?

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, Vishera said:

This comment is so underrated, @Morgan MLGman is right and explain things well,the only problem is this:

The RAM modules are first party,and usually soldered to the board,same story with storage. 

So in that sense if you have a problem with your RAM or SSD it will be a pain to fix it,the guys at the genius bar will just replace the whole board (with a referbuished one) and your data is gone (Apple doesn't care about the data of the customer,nor offer data recovery services).

With the RAM I meant the example of the Mac Pro. The memory modules used there are third-party, and they're actually very low quality in terms of binning.
Anyhow Apple doesn't manufacture the RAM themselves, they buy the memory modules from Samsung or some other company and solder them on regardless.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

59 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

With the RAM I meant the example of the Mac Pro. The memory modules used there are third-party, and they're actually very low quality in terms of binning.
Anyhow Apple doesn't manufacture the RAM themselves, they buy the memory modules from Samsung or some other company and solder them on regardless.

but the speed and other spec is validated first. 

[Lord Vile]

4 hours ago, Kaloob said:

 

And Windows updates haven't ever caused issues for me (well, the Windows 10 upgrade caused instability on my XPS 420, but that was 4 years ago). 

I'm still not gonna go around saying that Windows updates never cause issues because that's just my experience.

I've had to wipe my drive because of windows updates

[Lord Vile]

5 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

im guessing the first test they used h.264 though im not really sure but they did mention the h.265 is the more intensive test compared to the first one

The one they measured was H265 which is dumb because no one with 2 brain cells would use it.