RTX 2070 Super or GTX 1080ti ?

[Mupik]

Hi, I am considering upgrading a decent bit from a 2060, I am a little unsure if I should stick with the RTX side or go for a used 1080ti, I know the spec differences and most benchmark numbers but I'm just looking for some opinions, price isn't much of a matter to me right now. (Maybe ops on which one would hold up for longer/better optimisations etc)

[Oswin]

would suggest waiting for nvidia ampere for the upgrade, the rtx 2060 is still a pretty capable card.

[Slottr]

1080 Ti will perform better

 

However if you go for the 2070S side, look at a 5700 XT instead. They're incredibly cheaper for the same performance 

[gloop]

wait for Ampere. if you are insistant on upgrading, a 1080ti will perform slightly better though the 2070s has the benefit of nvenc.

[KaitouX]

7 minutes ago, Slottr said:

1080 Ti will perform better

I don't think that's right, last time I checked the 2070 Super was 1 or 2% faster on average(can probably go the other way around depending on the games tested), so basically identical. At least I remember it as, 1080Ti=2070S and both are like 5% slower than the 2080 on average.

 

On topic: Neither, paying money to not get even 30% more performance is a waste in my opinion. Also buying Turing based GPUs at this point doesn't seem like a good idea.

Also personally I will never recommend used Nvidia GPUs, they are usually overpriced and Nvidia doesn't really have a good history of optimizing/adding software features to older GPUs.

[Haro]

27 minutes ago, Mupik said:

Hi, I am considering upgrading a decent bit from a 2060

Why? I mean both of these are an upgrade just not smart ones. The 2060 is more than fine. Wait for ampere and big Navi. 

[Mateyyy]

Considering you've got a perfectly capable GPU in the 2060 at the moment, I'd highly suggest you wait for Ampere and RDNA2 GPUs which should be coming later this year.

If it was an absolute necessity for you to upgrade to either of these two right now, I'd take the 2070 Super - newer, similar performance (or better, with optimisations), a lot more power efficient and comes with warranty.

 

28 minutes ago, Slottr said:

1080 Ti will perform better

Strictly in gaming that's not true, at least in the vast majority of titles. They're about on par.

[Bombastinator]

It depends on what the use case is. If CUDA is involved the 1080ti has more.  It’s not even close. There are use case where the 2070s is more useful though.  Waiting seems like the right move if possible.  

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 hours ago, Slottr said:

1080 Ti will perform better

 

However if you go for the 2070S side, look at a 5700 XT instead. They're incredibly cheaper for the same performance 

Seems like a waste to buy anything above the low end without RT these days since that's likely to be a focus of next gen console ports. Plus Nvidia has gotten their act together with DLSS 2.0 after earlier versions of it were crap.

[Slottr]

1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Seems like a waste to buy anything above the low end without RT these days since that's likely to be a focus of next gen console ports. Plus Nvidia has gotten their act together with DLSS 2.0 after earlier versions of it were crap.

Then there's basically no reason to buy any card period, seeing how the 2xxx chips can barely even handle RT

[SteveGrabowski0]

16 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Then there's basically no reason to buy any card period, seeing how the 2xxx chips can barely even handle RT

Yeah I wouldn't touch anything right now if I had a $400+ budget considering how close RDNA2 and Ampere likely are and how overpriced this gen of cards has been. The RTX 2xxx series is really only good with RT when the game also supports DLSS 2.0.

[xg32]

drivers are no longer optimizing for the 1080 ti, so they should perform similarly, so it depends on the kinda used price ur getting. As for buying a 2070S new for 500usd, worse than a console soon.

[Bombastinator]

36 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Yeah I wouldn't touch anything right now if I had a $400+ budget considering how close RDNA2 and Ampere likely are and how overpriced this gen of cards has been. The RTX 2xxx series is really only good with RT when the game also supports DLSS 2.0.

And it’s not even really good then.  It’s to be expected.  1st gen stuff is like that.  I understand tesla cores are handy for AI work though.

[SteveGrabowski0]

6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

And it’s not even really good then.  It’s to be expected.  1st gen stuff is like that.  I understand tesla cores are handy for AI work though.

I thought it looked pretty good in Digital Foundry's video on RT + DLSS 2.0 for Control on an RTX 2060. But I doubt 2060 will be enough for games like Cyberpunk with RT or any of the next gen stuff with RT to get 1080p60 with DLSS 2.0.

[Bombastinator]

5 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I thought it looked pretty good in Digital Foundry's video on RT + DLSS 2.0 for Control on an RTX 2060. But I doubt 2060 will be enough for games like Cyberpunk with RT or any of the next gen stuff with RT to get 1080p60 with DLSS 2.0.

Doesn’t digital foundry make “Control”?  One would expect them to release something that looked good.  I’m recalling independent tests.  In those my memory is hardware ray tracing had almost as big a frame rate hit as software ray tracing. Stuff often doesn’t become really worth having till the third gen, though it varies a lot.  

[SteveGrabowski0]

22 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Doesn’t digital foundry make “Control”?  One would expect them to release something that looked good.  I’m recalling independent tests.  In those my memory is hardware ray tracing had almost as big a frame rate hit as software ray tracing. Stuff often doesn’t become really worth having till the third gen, though it varies a lot.  

Nah Digital Foundry is just a youtube channel that does technical reviews of PC and console hardware and games. Remedy is the dev who made Control.