Intel based build advices

[Elfmann]

Budget (including currency): 650 €

Country: Italy

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Used especially for gaming in FHD, but I would like if it could handle also basic video editing oprations using Adobe Suite.

Other details

I already have a Crucial MX500 that i'm gonna use for OS and also for data store. I dont need the peripherals. This is my first gaming pc, and playing at 1080 p 60Hz, will be fine for me. Also dont need the montor in this build.

I would prefer a Intel based platform if it's possible.

 

Thanks you

 

[Oswin]

any reason why you are going intel?

[zeusthemoose]

Why intel? AMD is much better for editing and basically the same in gaming.

[Master Disaster]

Gotta repeat what's already been said. You'll get a much better value from Ryzen.

[Elfmann]

3 minutes ago, Oswin said:

any reason why you are going intel?

Hi thanks for the reply. I updated my post, because I forgot to write some things in my first post.

I wanna stay on Intel, just because I always used Intel on my old Laptops and I never had any trouble. 

 

Thanks you

[Oswin]

2 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

Hi thanks for the reply. I updated my post, because I forgot to write some things in my first post.

I wanna stay on Intel, just because I always used Intel on my old Laptops and I never had any trouble. 

 

Thanks you

if you are looking for a better "bang for buck" then go amd, unless you can find some good deals on used intel chips 

[Elfmann]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Gotta repeat what's already been said. You'll get a much better value from Ryzen.

 

4 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

Why intel? AMD is much better for editing and basically the same in gaming.

Hi thanks for the reply. I'm not sure, I've always heard that AMD produce more heat than intel. and also had some trouble in the past with drivers on an AMD laptop that I bought. While with Intel I've never had any trouble.

[gloop]

Just now, Elfmann said:

 

Hi thanks for the reply. I'm not sure, I've always heard that AMD produce more heat than intel. and also had some trouble in the past with drivers on an AMD laptop that I bought. While with Intel I've never had any trouble.

The heat part is incorrect. nowadays, intel actually produces more heat than AMD.

 

also, nowadays AMD has no driver issues on their CPU side, intel has some security flaws tho. 

[Mateyyy]

Considering your budget, Ryzen is the way to go.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€169.00 @ Amazon Italia
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€99.38 @ Amazon Italia
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€66.41 @ Amazon Italia
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	€177.19 @ Amazon Italia
Case	Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case	€80.90 @ Amazon Italia
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 400 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€74.00 @ Amazon Italia
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€666.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-15 14:16 CEST+0200

[Elfmann]

3 minutes ago, Oswin said:

if you are looking for a better "bang for buck" then go amd, unless you can find some good deals on used intel chips 

hmm ok, got it. I was thinking to build a pc based on the i5- 9400f + GTX 1650 as GPU. What do you think? It would be enaugh for my purpouse? 

[Master Disaster]

15 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

Hi thanks for the reply. I updated my post, because I forgot to write some things in my first post.

I wanna stay on Intel, just because I always used Intel on my old Laptops and I never had any trouble. 

 

Thanks you

Intel Core I5 10500 - cheapest is 214 Euros

Ryzen 3600 - cheapest is 169 Euros

 

These 2 CPUs are almost identical in single threaded performance and the 3600 is considerably faster in multi threaded performance.

 

Your 9400F will cost you 160 Euros and will be slower than the 3600 in everything.

 

Edit - plus the 3600 will come with a stock cooler that you can actually use.

[Oswin]

2 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

hmm ok, got it. I was thinking to build a pc based on the i5- 9400f + GTX 1650 as GPU. What do you think? It would be enaugh for my purpouse? 

it would be enough, but i dont want to spend my money on a dead platform.

[Elfmann]

6 minutes ago, Oswin said:

it would be enough, but i dont want to spend my money on a dead platform.

 

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Intel Core I5 10500 - cheapest is 214 Euros

Ryzen 3600 - cheapest is 179 Euros

 

These 2 CPUs are almost identical in single threaded performance and the 3600 is considerably faster in multi threaded performance.

 

Your 9400F will cost you 160 Euros and will be slower than the 3600 in everything.

 

10 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Considering your budget, Ryzen is the way to go.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€169.00 @ Amazon Italia
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€99.38 @ Amazon Italia
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€66.41 @ Amazon Italia
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	€177.19 @ Amazon Italia
Case	Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case	€80.90 @ Amazon Italia
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 400 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€74.00 @ Amazon Italia
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€666.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-15 14:16 CEST+0200

Ok, guys you convinced me  I'm gonna go with AMD for CPU. While at least for the GPU, is it possible to stay on NVIDIA? I forgot to say it in the first post.

 

What do you think about this build:

CPU: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07STGGQ18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H&psc=1

Motherboard: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07WC724Z7/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A2ZQVICSMDPTKP&psc=1

GPU: https://www.amazon.it/MSI-GTX1650-XS-4G-Express/dp/B07QPVNPB3/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=GTX+1650&qid=1594816287&sr=8-1

RAM: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A3GRET63OSU9KJ&psc=1

Power Supply: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B079KBPXZJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A1X0M9U5WW1195&psc=1

Case: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00CY8RTHS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2ZQVICSMDPTKP&psc=1

 

What do you think?

 

 

[Mateyyy]

Just now, Elfmann said:

Ok, guys you convinced me  I'm gonna go with AMD for CPU. While at least for the GPU, is it possible to stay on NVIDIA? I forgot to say it in the first post.

 

What do you think about this build:

CPU: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07STGGQ18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A11IL2PNWYJU7H&psc=1

Motherboard: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07WC724Z7/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A2ZQVICSMDPTKP&psc=1

GPU: https://www.amazon.it/MSI-GTX1650-XS-4G-Express/dp/B07QPVNPB3/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=GTX+1650&qid=1594816287&sr=8-1

RAM: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A3GRET63OSU9KJ&psc=1

Power Supply: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B079KBPXZJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A1X0M9U5WW1195&psc=1

Case: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00CY8RTHS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2ZQVICSMDPTKP&psc=1

 

What do you think?

The GTX 1650 is slower than an RX 570, nevermind the 580.

If you want to stick with Nvidia, go for a 1650 Super, though unless it's cheaper than an RX 580 I wouldn't bother personally, unless you also plan on streaming.

[Oswin]

little confused on the pricing in italy but here is what i would recommend

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€169.00 @ Amazon Italia
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€99.38 @ Amazon Italia
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€65.20 @ Amazon Italia
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	€177.19 @ Amazon Italia
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P300 ATX Mid Tower Case	€59.90 @ Amazon Italia
Power Supply	BitFenix Formula Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	€89.90 @ Amazon Italia
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€660.57
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-15 14:36 CEST+0200

i am aware that the PSU is absolute overkill, but its a 750 watt tier A PSU for 90 euros so i decided to put it in,

here is the tier list 

 

[Avocheeseado]

I really recommend going ryzen.

17 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Intel Core I5 10500 - cheapest is 214 Euros

Ryzen 3600 - cheapest is 169 Euros

These 2 CPUs are almost identical in single threaded performance and the 3600 is considerably faster in multi threaded performance.

Edit - plus the 3600 will come with a stock cooler that you can actually use.

Completely agree with that. Ryzen gives you so much more bang for the buck and is much better than intel for multithreaded workloads like video editing.

 

I would say go with a list liike this:

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/hNfmtp

[Elfmann]

4 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

The GTX 1650 is slower than an RX 570, nevermind the 580.

If you want to stick with Nvidia, go for a 1650 Super, though unless it's cheaper than an RX 580 I wouldn't bother personally, unless you also plan on streaming.

Awesome. What do you think about this: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B081WR32CW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AOC3G2PBG3IY7&psc=1 never heard about KFA2. Is it good in you opinion? 

I will just play and do some basic editing for youtube videos. For now I'm not gonna stream, but if I would do it in the future, which are the minimum spesc that I need? 

 

Thanks you

[Mateyyy]

3 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

Awesome. What do you think about this: https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B081WR32CW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AOC3G2PBG3IY7&psc=1 never heard about KFA2. Is it good in you opinion? 

I will just play and do some basic editing for youtube videos. For now I'm not gonna stream, but if I would do it in the future, which are the minimum spesc that I need? 

 

Thanks you

Looks like a pretty cheap heatsink, but I mean it won't make that big of a difference, considering the 1650S is a really low-power card. It should work.

For streaming, the 1650 Super should be fine because of its Turing NVENC encoder - that's another minus for the regular 1650 non-Super, it comes with the older Volta encoder on it, which is worse.

 

No problem!

[Elfmann]

18 minutes ago, Oswin said:

little confused on the pricing in italy but here is what i would recommend

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€169.00 @ Amazon Italia
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€99.38 @ Amazon Italia
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	€65.20 @ Amazon Italia
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	€177.19 @ Amazon Italia
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P300 ATX Mid Tower Case	€59.90 @ Amazon Italia
Power Supply	BitFenix Formula Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	€89.90 @ Amazon Italia
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€660.57
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-15 14:36 CEST+0200

Thanks you. Is it reliable that PSU brand? I wouldn't hit the power button one day and se a black screen, or get with some fryed components

 

 

[Oswin]

Just now, Elfmann said:

Ok, maybe the PSU is not a component to joke with

definitely, if it fails, it may take other components with it

[Elfmann]

14 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Looks like a pretty cheap heatsink, but I mean it won't make that big of a difference, considering the 1650S is a really low-power card. It should work.

For streaming, the 1650 Super should be fine because of its Turing NVENC encoder - that's another minus for the regular 1650 non-Super, it comes with the older Volta encoder on it, which is worse.

 

No problem!

Awesome. Then I'm gonna try with that GPU. Thanks you

11 minutes ago, Oswin said:

definitely, if it fails, it may take other components with it

I don't know, that bitfenix has only one review and it also got one star. (facepalm)   I think I'm gonna go with the be quiet! System Powe 9 500 W.

 

Is the be quiet a reliable brand? Do you guys think that a 500W could handle all the components?

 

Here's a summary:

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600

Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX B450

GPU: KFA2 nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 Super

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX  2*8 GB

 

Thanks you

 

 

[Oswin]

17 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

Is the be quiet a reliable brand? Do you guys think that a 500W could handle all the components?

brand is not quality, a 500 watt should handle your system just fine. 

[Elfmann]

16 minutes ago, Oswin said:

brand is not quality, a 500 watt should handle your system just fine. 

You're right, sometime even the most known brand could fail.

Anyway, in case that I'm gonna update the stock CPU heatsink with a new one based on liquid in the future. Which could be a good choice for this CPU and considering also the size of the case ( CM MasterBox 501L) ? In that case, 500 W will still be good, or it would need more power with the new component? 

 

Thanks

[Oswin]

15 minutes ago, Elfmann said:

You're right, sometime even the most known brand could fail.

Anyway, in case that I'm gonna update the stock CPU heatsink with a new one based on liquid in the future. Which could be a good choice for this CPU and considering also the size of the case ( CM MasterBox 501L) ? In that case, 500 W will still be good, or it would need more power with the new component? 

 

Thanks

if you are going to get more out of your system investing in a B+ tier and above would let you to have more upgrades since they are more reliable, a 550 watt should be enough for most systems if you are curious here is a thread that may help you.

 

[Elfmann]

36 minutes ago, Oswin said:

if you are going to get more out of your system investing in a B+ tier and above would let you to have more upgrades since they are more reliable, a 550 watt should be enough for most systems if you are curious here is a thread that may help you.

 

Ok, I'm gonna read it.

One more thing. Apart from the form factor, Is there any noticeable difference between the 

MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX B450 chosed by me and the 

MSI B450-A PRO MAX AMD AM4 DDR4 m.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX linked by you?

 

Thanks you