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Why would you pick Ryzen for gaming?

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reposting from pcpartpicker forum because I need the reason as well!

 

pcpartpicker discussion link: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/362287-why-would-you-pick-ryzen-for-gaming

 

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"I am honestly wondering why anyone would ever pick any Ryzen cpu for GAMING reasons only. Let me reiterate, if you plan on using it as a work station, or for video editing, I totally understand Ryzen. But for the many many others out there building a strictly gaming pc. It is massively not cost effective for gaming. literally twice the money for much less frames, Especially in 1080p Intel shines, the Frame differences shrink slightly in 2k and 4k. But the vast majority of gamers play in 1080p. Intel current prices for gaming cpus I3-9100f - $75 I5-9400f - $125 I5-9600kf - $195 I7-9700k - $370

So for arguments sake, I'm curious as to why I see most people suggest ryzen to new builders?"

 

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Because no one ever "only" does gaming and its nice to have the headroom to do more for the price, especially if and when games start using multicore more.

 

Also, AMD doesn't have a new vulnerability every week, so there's that. And the upgrade path because they don't require a new socket with every new generation.

 

I'm also not sure where they got that AMD was twice as expensive. It's clearly not and is, in fact, cheaper, all while providing similar results.


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Also in gener for low budget gaming rigs a Ryzen 3 can be a better bang for a buck than a i3, midrange is similar performance, but yes a 10900k or what ever it is is still a better chip. One would also need to look at what a reasonable upgrade is. A 7th gen i5 to a third gen r3 is great, but to a like 10900k is not a reasonable upgrade.

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12 minutes ago, unkownhihi said:

It is massively not cost effective for gaming. literally twice the money for much less frames,

This isn’t true. Basically the same performance in gaming (some have intel higher some have amd higher). Current 9600kf price is 200 and 3600 is 170. So amd gets much better price to performance.

 

but if you look at anything other than gaming, amd is better performance wise.


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19 minutes ago, unkownhihi said:

reposting from pcpartpicker forum because I need the reason as well!

 

pcpartpicker discussion link: https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/362287-why-would-you-pick-ryzen-for-gaming

 

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"I am honestly wondering why anyone would ever pick any Ryzen cpu for GAMING reasons only. Let me reiterate, if you plan on using it as a work station, or for video editing, I totally understand Ryzen. But for the many many others out there building a strictly gaming pc. It is massively not cost effective for gaming. literally twice the money for much less frames, Especially in 1080p Intel shines, the Frame differences shrink slightly in 2k and 4k. But the vast majority of gamers play in 1080p. Intel current prices for gaming cpus I3-9100f - $75 I5-9400f - $125 I5-9600kf - $195 I7-9700k - $370

So for arguments sake, I'm curious as to why I see most people suggest ryzen to new builders?"

 

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Because a 9100f is just the "sort by lowest price" new Intel CPU and offers no reasonable upgrade path if you want to pair it with a cost effective motherboard. It's just not the cost of the CPU that you need to take into account with Intel, it's the motherboard + cooling solution as well. For example a 10600k costs around $100 more than the 3600 in the U.S. right now while most people recommend running it on a Z490 motherboard which is around $100 more expensive than a Tomahawk MAX and then they usually pair a $40 CPU cooler with it so you can see how it adds up fast.

 

You can spend that extra $240 and move up in GPU price brackets so for example instead of getting a RTX 2060S with a 10600k you can get an RTX 2070S with a Ryzen 5 3600 for around the same price, which of course the RTX 2070S is better than the RTX 2060S. Same applies all the way up and down the price list except when you get to the really high end, when it's the difference between the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 ti (a $400 difference in price) when Intel actually semi makes sense, but again you have the problem of an upgrade path, so you have to start there and can't end up there. On the AMD side you can spend $200 on a B450 Tomahawk MAX and a Ryzen 5 1600 and be able to slap a 3700x in there. While on the Intel side you would be spending 50% more just so that you could have a motherboard with a proper upgrade path + a more expensive cooler because of the power draw.


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wow, this forum is active! if y'all don't mind, post these reasonings on pcpartpicker so OP can know as well. Thanks everyone! have a great day.

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Firstly welcome

 

Secondly, Well for me i always take the gaming thing at face value. Sure right now they may only game but soon they may wish to start youtube or stream, maybe use this pc for studies later on in life or so on. When you start thinking like this ryzen is the smarter pick for 80% if builds


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2 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

This isn’t true. Basically the same performance in gaming (some have intel higher some have amd higher). Current 9600kf price is 200 and 3600 is 170. So amd gets much better price to performance.

 

but if you look at anything other than gaming, amd is better performance wise.

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Side note: Did you see Linus gave you a shout out in the WAN show? He spend a good 10 seconds talking specifically about you. You are famous now! (Timestamped for you)

Yeah, fakensa posted it on the parrot gang thread. I had to update my signature to show off, lol. Thanks for showing me though!


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4 minutes ago, unkownhihi said:

wow, this forum is active! if y'all don't mind, post these reasonings on pcpartpicker so OP can know as well. Thanks everyone! have a great day.

I will :)


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Just now, zeusthemoose said:

Yeah, fakensa posted it on the parrot gang thread. I had to update my signature to show off, lol. Thanks for showing me though!

I should consider making myself a parrot gang gif, how did you make yours?


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I should consider making myself a parrot gang gif, how did you make yours?

You can join on this thread (we’d love to have you!): 

There is a website with a bunch of parrots linked in there so you can choose which you want.


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I should consider making myself a parrot gang gif, how did you make yours?

Oh Lord, it's spreading.


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21 minutes ago, unkownhihi said:

It is massively not cost effective for gaming. literally twice the money for much less frames

Lolwut

Sanity check please

 

Also can you tell us what difference 400fps makes over 300fps for the user?


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Oh Lord, it's spreading.

You should join too! #parrotgang

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1 minute ago, zeusthemoose said:

You should join too! #parrotgang

(I’ll stop taking over this thread now...)

I like my pink cat, thanks.

And really, this thread is long over. There was nothing to discuss here. Just a post from another forum about how wrong they were.


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Because

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the OP of that post really doesn't know what hes talking about. I'd expect him to be a frequent user of userbenchmarks and such.


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48 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Because a 9100f is just the "sort by lowest price" new Intel CPU and offers no reasonable upgrade path if you want to pair it with a cost effective motherboard. It's just not the cost of the CPU that you need to take into account with Intel, it's the motherboard + cooling solution as well. For example a 10600k costs around $100 more than the 3600 in the U.S. right now while most people recommend running it on a Z490 motherboard which is around $100 more expensive than a Tomahawk MAX and then they usually pair a $40 CPU cooler with it so you can see how it adds up fast.

 

You can spend that extra $240 and move up in GPU price brackets so for example instead of getting a RTX 2060S with a 10600k you can get an RTX 2070S with a Ryzen 5 3600 for around the same price, which of course the RTX 2070S is better than the RTX 2060S. Same applies all the way up and down the price list except when you get to the really high end, when it's the difference between the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 ti (a $400 difference in price) when Intel actually semi makes sense, but again you have the problem of an upgrade path, so you have to start there and can't end up there. On the AMD side you can spend $200 on a B450 Tomahawk MAX and a Ryzen 5 1600 and be able to slap a 3700x in there. While on the Intel side you would be spending 50% more just so that you could have a motherboard with a proper upgrade path + a more expensive cooler because of the power draw.

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12 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Oh Lord, it's spreading.

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13 hours ago, unkownhihi said:

I5-9400f - $125

Not sure where those prices apply but where I live the 9400f costs almost as much as a 3600x which completely creams it. As for the 9100f, anyone buying that for games will get royally screwed over within the next two years - 4c/4t has been barely enough for a while now.

 

At least a ryzen chip can be overclocked - and you get to upgrade to a newer generation without throwing away your motherboard if it becomes necessary.


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13 hours ago, unkownhihi said:

Intel current prices for gaming cpus I3-9100f - $75 I5-9400f - $125 I5-9600kf - $195 I7-9700k - $370

So for arguments sake, I'm curious as to why I see most people suggest ryzen to new builders?"

because 3/4th of the options lack the threadcount to be a viable choice in modern gaming for the price they charge. 

 

and the 9700k just got beaten by the 10600k in that regards. 

 

so none of those options is what is considered a "good" choice. Zen is, and will continue to be one of the best options for anyone with a non-massive budget. and in the end, why spend 100$ more on a CPU, when it can be spent on the GPU, which will provide far better gains. 

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1) cost of intel K chips are dumb, you must pair with premium Z chipsets to overclock, while amd side is free

also remember that all intel chip have overheating issue which add extra cost to cooling

 

2) intel is better for game, yea but for how much? 

All benchmarks you see is paired with rtx2080Ti  and yet the diff is only 10- 20fps in 140fps range

so ask yourself first,  

does that fps matters at that range? no>Amd

do you have high(est) end monitor AND top end gpu ?no>Amd

therefore amd cpu even 1st gen ryzen are more than good enough for majority

 

3) ryzen is futureproof enough over intel , no matter how you define it

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Midrange, 9600kf vs 3600, from what I see it is neck and neck in gaming terms, and the 9600kf is $20 more expensive.

 

At high-end, I think Intel still has a significant advantage in pure gaming terms.  I don't think the 3900x or the 3950x perform that well and if anyone actually buys a 3900xt or a 3950xt I think we should be calling the guys with the straight-jackets and the white van because that is clearly a sign of insanity.

 

I am looking forward to Ryzen 4, I am hoping the core count increases as well as single threaded boosting.

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