What's the catch with the Samsung G7 Odyssey?

[Andreas Lilja]

Seems to tick so many boxes compared to $2000+ models and it's $899.99

[emosun]

5 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

it's $899.99

There is no catch , it's 900$.

 

thats about 3 times the cost of what a cellphone should be so they're making bank on it.

[Andreas Lilja]

16 minutes ago, emosun said:

There is no catch , it's 900$.

 

thats about 3 times the cost of what a cellphone should be so they're making bank on it.

It's an ultrawide monitor not a cellphone. 

[auraofjason]

8 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

It's an ultrawide monitor not a cellphone. 

It's not even ultrawide, it's the same 16:9 as any other monitor.

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

It's an ultrawide monitor not a cellphone. 

ah...... thats what i get for bad googling , i seemed to have got a lot of galaxy 7 results lol

[Gaires]

The first problem would be that VA panels aren't fast enough for 240hz. Here's a really fast VA panel which still has some smearing at 120hz and tft doesn't even really suggest to use the 144hz, as that would add more smearing.

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_32gk850g.htm#detailed_response

 

Please do wait for the thorough reviews before buying the G7 as we don't really know the problems yet, it's mostly guessing for now.

[GamingWiidesire]

8 hours ago, Gaires said:

The first problem would be that VA panels aren't fast enough for 240hz..

True for the last VA generations, however Samsung has made a huge step-up with the Odyssey G7/G9.

 

Here are detailed G7 measurements:
https://nl.hardware.info/monitoren.8/samsung-odyssey-g7-lc27g75t.574049#testresultaten

 

Also we've seen multiple UFO tests from the G7/G9 already which show basically no black smearing (previously unthinkable with VA) and only some overshoot. The above review's measurements confirm that.

[Gaires]

36 minutes ago, GamingWiidesire said:

True for the last VA generations, however Samsung has made a huge step-up with the Odyssey G7/G9.

I doubt it, they might have managed to push the panel to handle 144/165hz with minimal smearing in dark scenes, but no way in hell it can handle 240hz.

 32 minutes ago, GamingWiidesire said:

Here are detailed G7 measurements:
https://nl.hardware.info/monitoren.8/samsung-odyssey-g7-lc27g75t.574049#testresultaten

I don't see dark response time at all in this chart, overall response time has been fine on VAs for a long time. The problem is the dark response times.

 

33 minutes ago, GamingWiidesire said:

Also we've seen multiple UFO tests from the G7/G9 already which show basically no black smearing (previously unthinkable with VA) and only some overshoot. The above review's measurements confirm that.

At least Linus used just a normal camera when showing the ufo test in his overview video. But even if the camera did track the ufo, it still doesn't show dark response times.

[GamingWiidesire]

On 7/11/2020 at 2:56 PM, Gaires said:

I doubt it, they might have managed to push the panel to handle 144/165hz with minimal smearing in dark scenes, but no way in hell it can handle 240hz.

I don't see dark response time at all in this chart, overall response time has been fine on VAs for a long time. The problem is the dark response times.

Sure, here is another test of the G7:

This is leagues above any previous VA panels we've seen. No black smearing at all. Overall the response times are now on par or better than IPS, even rivaling TN.

Refresh Rate Compliance will be around 90% which is excellent.

 

Previous 240 Hz VA panels, e.g. from the CRG5, were absolutely terrible when it comes to black smearing and refresh rate compliance (23.3%)

[Gaires]

2 hours ago, GamingWiidesire said:

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Is the lower right number overshoot? Text was too pixelated for google translate and my Japanese isn't good enough to read it.

 

Edit: Also, is the refresh rate at 240hz and who provided the data?

Edited July 12, 2020 by Gaires

[SolarNova]

On 7/11/2020 at 3:37 AM, Andreas Lilja said:

Seems to tick so many boxes compared to $2000+ models and it's $899.99

The catch is hidden in the specs.

 

its a VA panel, meaning its not suited for competitive gaming or super high refresh rates. Its pixel response time will not be 1ms as advertised. As mentioned above it WILL have issues with dark transitions and will likely rely on massive amounts of overdrive to hit advertised specs, which WILL result in overshoot. (It would be nice for a VA panel that can overcome this)

 

The G9 has local dimming but its edge lit 10 zone, meaning its actually rather crap. (cant recall of hand what the g7 has)

 

And much like most curved displays its likely going to suffer uniformity issues, since its VA this likely to be in the form of backlight flashlighting along the edges.

 

In the end, the hype and the specs will look great, but the actual objective test results will in all likelihood unveil a load of 'issues' inherent to the technology that 'normies' simply wont ever hear about.

 

[GamingWiidesire]

On 7/12/2020 at 4:56 PM, GamingWiidesire said:

This is leagues above any previous VA panels we've seen. No black smearing at all. Overall the response times are now on par or better than IPS, even rivaling TN.

Refresh Rate Compliance will be around 90% which is excellent.

Just to add to this, the refresh rate compliance at 240 Hz is even higher than the 90% I expected with 92.7%.

And at 120 Hz 100%:

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