New PC build need help

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

38 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£78.98 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£43.06 @ Currys PC World Business)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL16 Memory  (£73.13 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£27.62 @ MyMemory)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 580 8 GB DUAL Video Card  (£158.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£74.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  (£50.09 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £506.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 10:57 BST+0100

why have you gone with a 3200g instead of a 3100 or a 3300x?

[dcybergeek]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-9100F 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£62.07 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI H310M PRO-VDH PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£50.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Crucial 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory  (£57.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA SU630 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£45.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card  (£266.04 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: Xigmatek Scorpio MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£28.01 @ Ebuyer) 
Power Supply: KOLINK Classic Power 400 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£36.95 @ Currys PC World) 
Total: £547.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 11:30 BST+0100

Thanks, I am curious regarding the PSU W dropdown here.

[dcybergeek]

Just now, PoopThatTookAPee said:

why have you gone with a 3200g instead of a 3100 or a 3300x?

Could you please help put up a list using 3300x?

[dcybergeek]

@Guys I would be using 3100 or 3300x (if anyone can put that up) < i3-9100f as a priority here. Because I really am not in the favour of an AGPU build. Do these builds need 3-4 fans (2-3 in front) or having a fan in the rear will do just fine?

 

Edit: Will a i5-9400f not do for my budget?

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

2 minutes ago, dcybergeek said:

Could you please help put up a list using 3300x?

you could go 3300x, but the RX 5600XT build that @Aereldor has recommended is an absolute beast. buy that card if possible and pair it with a 3100 or 3300x if possible

 

lemme see if i can put together a list hold up

[dcybergeek]

Just now, PoopThatTookAPee said:

you could go 3300x, but the RX 5600XT build that @Aereldor has recommended is an absolute beast. buy that card if possible and pair it with a 3100 or 3300x if possible

 

lemme see if i can put together a list hold up

And that beast can keep me alive at 60fps medium gameplay till the next 2 years without upgrade?

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

Just now, dcybergeek said:

And that beast can keep me alive at 60fps medium gameplay till the next 2 years without upgrade?

no sweat.

the cpu is a downgrade, of course, but that gpu wont even let you know the differnece. it will give you better perfromance than a 1660 super paired with a i5-9400

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JxYXcq

 

as you can see, the build with a cheaper b450 board (no point in a320) and a 3100 crosses your budget by 90 pounds. also, i wouldnt trust that psu. it could kill your components if youre not careful.

 

get the i3-9100f and 5600xt.

 

(just for reference, the 5600xt offers performance equivalent or better than the rtx 2060, at a probably lesser cost)

[dcybergeek]

4 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JxYXcq

 

as you can see, the build with a cheaper b450 board (no point in a320) and a 3100 crosses your budget by 90 pounds. also, i wouldnt trust that psu. it could kill your components if youre not careful.

 

get the i3-9100f and 5600xt.

 

(just for reference, the 5600xt offers performance equivalent or better than the rtx 2060, at a probably lesser cost)

Will a i5-9400f not fit my bill?

And if it can what should I pair it with 580 or 1650 super?

 

Sorry for the questions. Too many choices and too difficult for a beginner.

[Oswin]

3 minutes ago, dcybergeek said:

Will a i5-9400f not fit my bill?

the 9400 is a terrible value paired with a dead platform, even if you budget allows it, i would rather get a 3600 for a couple pounds more.

[dcybergeek]

Just now, Oswin said:

the 9400 is a terrible value paired with a dead platform, even if you budget allows it, i would rather get a 3600 for a couple pounds more.

Thanks for clearing brother!

Also no 3300x eh?

I guess it is either i3-9100f or 3100 then.

[Oswin]

1 minute ago, dcybergeek said:

Thanks for clearing brother!

Also no 3300x eh?

I guess it is either i3-9100f or 3100 then.

you can get a 3300x, just replace the 3100 on my original list, though you are going to be stuck with the 250gb of storage.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

9 minutes ago, Oswin said:

you can get a 3300x, just replace the 3100 on my original list, though you are going to be stuck with the 250gb of storage.

@dcybergeek  to put it in short,

 

1. 3300x+1650super or 1660

2. 3300x+1660 or 1660super (too expensive for budget)

3. 3100+1660 or 1660super

4. 3100+5600xt (maybe will fit in budget)

5. 9100f+5600xt or 1660super

6. no 9400f

 

my suggestions (ranking from best to worst, in terms of value and performance) (from a gaming standpoint):

 

4. 3100+5600xt

5. 9100f+5600xt or 1660super

2. 3300x+1660 or 1660super

3. 3100+1660 or 1660super

1. 3300x+1650super or 1660

 

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

23 minutes ago, dcybergeek said:

Will a i5-9400f not fit my bill?

And if it can what should I pair it with 580 or 1650 super?

 

Sorry for the questions. Too many choices and too difficult for a beginner.

for gaming,

a better gpu + lower cpu is better than a better cpu + lower gpu

 

the 5600xt is a mid-high end GPU. pairing it with an i3-9100f will get you better performance than with a i5-9400f + 580/1650s.

 

 

this is Red Dead Redemption 2 on HIGH settings 1080p on a 9100f and a 5600xt. 80 FPS ON AVERAGE!

YOU'LL GET EVEN MORE ON LESS DEMANDING TITLES! ITS AN ABSOLUTE STEAL!

[Aereldor]

35 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

you could go 3300x, but the RX 5600XT build that @Aereldor has recommended is an absolute beast. buy that card if possible and pair it with a 3100 or 3300x if possible

 

lemme see if i can put together a list hold up

Not gonna be possible without going way over budget... Already 550 with 16gb ram and a 500gb ssd. Also the i3 9100F is not that far behind the 3100, hyperthreading doesn't make a colossal difference, and 9th gen IPC isn't terrible. The i3 9100f at 4.2 GHz boost is basically a 7600k overclocked to 4.7Ghz, and you wouldn't tell someone with a 4.7 GHz 7600k to upgrade to a Ryzen 3 3100, would you?

[Aereldor]

Just now, PoopThatTookAPee said:

for gaming,

a better gpu + lower cpu is better than a better cpu + lower gpu

 

the 5600xt is a mid-high end GPU. pairing it with an i3-9100f will get you better performance than with a i5-9400f + 580/1650s.

 

this is Red Dead Redemption 2 on HIGH settings 1080p on a 9100f and a 5600xt. 80 FPS ON AVERAGE!

YOU'LL GET EVEN MORE ON LESS DEMANDING TITLES! ITS AN ABSOLUTE STEAL!

tbh people are slapping the 9100f for no reason. With a 5600xt you're still gonna be GPU bottlenecked. Hyperthreading doesn't make a colossal difference, and the 3100 is going to be 300mhz short of the i3, so performance should be basically identical with a 5600xt.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

3 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

for gaming,

a better gpu + lower cpu is better than a better cpu + lower gpu

 

the 5600xt is a mid-high end GPU. pairing it with an i3-9100f will get you better performance than with a i5-9400f + 580/1650s.

 

 

this is Red Dead Redemption 2 on HIGH settings 1080p on a 9100f and a 5600xt. 80 FPS ON AVERAGE!

YOU'LL GET EVEN MORE ON LESS DEMANDING TITLES! ITS AN ABSOLUTE STEAL!

 

heres a 9400f + 580 for reference.

 

nearly half the fps is cut down

 

its clear who the winner is

 

[dcybergeek]

41 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

@dcybergeek  to put it in short,

 

1. 3300x+1650super or 1660

2. 3300x+1660 or 1660super (too expensive for budget)

3. 3100+1660 or 1660super

4. 3100+5600xt (maybe will fit in budget)

5. 9100f+5600xt or 1660super

6. no 9400f

 

my suggestions (ranking from best to worst, in terms of value and performance) (from a gaming standpoint):

 

4. 3100+5600xt

5. 9100f+5600xt or 1660super

2. 3300x+1660 or 1660super

3. 3100+1660 or 1660super

1. 3300x+1650super or 1660

 

Ahhh, so here is the thing:

1. To get that mid-range GPU I gotta stick with i3-9100f (by staying my less than ~ 550 GBP budget).

2. OK, I see 5800XT or 1660S why not the 1650S? Also seeing Aereldors 580 8GB then how would you put them as a list in terms of worse better good best? (Curious)

[dcybergeek]

34 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Not gonna be possible without going way over budget... Already 550 with 16gb ram and a 500gb ssd. Also the i3 9100F is not that far behind the 3100, hyperthreading doesn't make a colossal difference, and 9th gen IPC isn't terrible. The i3 9100f at 4.2 GHz boost is basically a 7600k overclocked to 4.7Ghz, and you wouldn't tell someone with a 4.7 GHz 7600k to upgrade to a Ryzen 3 3100, would you?

Awesome.

I can always sacrifice for an HDD for the time being. And I do not honestly mind waiting times. Will that help?

Also I know from your 2 builds it is 580 < 5800XT but "IF" then 580 or 1650S?

[Aereldor]

1 hour ago, dcybergeek said:

Awesome.

I can always sacrifice for an HDD for the time being. And I do not honestly mind waiting times. Will that help?

Also I know from your 2 builds it is 580 < 5800XT but "IF" then 580 or 1650S?

No. You've got it mixed up again. RX 5600xt > 2060 > 1660 Super > 580 > 1650 Super. The RX 5600xt is MUCH faster. Given its better driver support, it will likely catch up to the 2060 super, the same way the 5700xt is now only about 7% slower than the much more expensive 2070 Super (previously it was 10% slower). AMD's driver support is just better, their cards will catch up.

The build you should be doing is the one I posted with the i3 9100F and the RX 5600 xt. 

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade path if you're not upgrading for two years. In two years, I highly doubt AMD will still be using AM4 (their roadmap suggests Ryzen 4000 is the last generation for AM4 anyway). In two years, DDR5 will almost definitely be a thing, and with how competitive the market is right now, Intel may even be able to make competitive offerings later on.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

1 hour ago, Aereldor said:

No. You've got it mixed up again. RX 5600xt > 2060 > 1660 Super > 580 > 1650 Super. The RX 5600xt is MUCH faster. Given its better driver support, it will likely catch up to the 2060 super, the same way the 5700xt is now only about 7% slower than the much more expensive 2070 Super (previously it was 10% slower). AMD's driver support is just better, their cards will catch up.

The build you should be doing is the one I posted with the i3 9100F and the RX 5600 xt. 

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade path if you're not upgrading for two years. In two years, I highly doubt AMD will still be using AM4 (their roadmap suggests Ryzen 4000 is the last generation for AM4 anyway). In two years, DDR5 will almost definitely be a thing, and with how competitive the market is right now, Intel may even be able to make competitive offerings later on.

@dcybergeek

this.

[dcybergeek]

2 hours ago, Aereldor said:

No. You've got it mixed up again. RX 5600xt > 2060 > 1660 Super > 580 > 1650 Super. The RX 5600xt is MUCH faster. Given its better driver support, it will likely catch up to the 2060 super, the same way the 5700xt is now only about 7% slower than the much more expensive 2070 Super (previously it was 10% slower). AMD's driver support is just better, their cards will catch up.

The build you should be doing is the one I posted with the i3 9100F and the RX 5600 xt. 

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade path if you're not upgrading for two years. In two years, I highly doubt AMD will still be using AM4 (their roadmap suggests Ryzen 4000 is the last generation for AM4 anyway). In two years, DDR5 will almost definitely be a thing, and with how competitive the market is right now, Intel may even be able to make competitive offerings later on.

Ahh, gotcha! Thanks a lot for taking the time in explaining. Cheers! I am all set here with your pc part build

[dcybergeek]

13 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

@dcybergeek

this.

Thanks for taking the time to clear my doubts brother! Kudos.

[Aereldor]

1 hour ago, dcybergeek said:

Ahh, gotcha! Thanks a lot for taking the time in explaining. Cheers! I am all set here with your pc part build

Cool. If you want, you can select the little check mark on my post that says 'mark solved' so the thread can be closed