3600 + 2080ti?

[Barnash]

Budget (including currency):$2000-2500$ including monitor

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Dota 2, CoD ,RS Siege, PoE and some upcoming AAA titles

Other details 1440p 144hz buying next week

 

Let me preface by saying that I have an opportunity to shop in the US and enjoy reasonable prices

prices in my country are 40% more expensive, buying now and upgrading later is something I want to avoid so the mentality is buy once cry once

 

Building a PC for my little brother purely for gaming Dota 2, CoD, RS Siege, PoE and some upcoming AAA titles

His budget is $2000 including a monitor

 

Aiming for 1440p 144hz experience I came up with a build but it exceeds the budget by $500

I wonder if it would be money well spent if I'll add the extra on my behalf for him having the best gaming experience possible

 

The plan is to upgrade to a high tier cpu later when architecture matures and probably oc it

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($172.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($70.00) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($104.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card  ($1279.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.99 @ Best Buy) 
Monitor: LG 27GL83A-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($379.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2512.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 16:49 EDT-0400

 

 

 

 

[Eighjan]

A 3600 can handle 1440p/144... whether it can keep a 2080ti interested enough to register on an activity list is another story - it may well spend a lot of it's time <5% utilised.

[mbntr]

Since you seem to be doing mainly gaming I would even suggest you something like an i5 10600k, I know people like to shit on intel but it really has better gaming performance, same core and thread count, bit higher price but far better clock speed

[Mateyyy]

16 minutes ago, Barnash said:

buying now and upgrading later is something I want to avoid so the mentality is buy once cry once

Then honestly my advice would be waiting until a bit later this year and buying then, when new GPUs and CPUs come out. You'll likely be crying a whole lot less this way.

 

If you were to buy now though, I'd recommend something along these lines instead:

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XQ2v9G

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.99) 
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($754.99 @ Walmart) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 11 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.90 @ B&H) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM 107.41 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($27.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM 107.41 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($27.95 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: LG 27GL83A-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($379.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $2225.71

 

3 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

I would recommend buying the B450 Tomahawk Max and upgrading to a 3700x. You are also able to save money on your cooler, if downgrading your motherboard doesn't give you enough budget to spare. Everything else is a pretty good selection, but you can get away with 3200mhz memory for $10 less.

B450 Tomahawk Max and 3200MHz memory with a $2500 budget? lol what

[marmour]

3600 will be fine at 1440p. In games like Dota at 1080p, a 10600K will best utilize the 2080ti. However it's $100 more and will only give a benefit at very high frame rates. 

I would also urge you to wait for the new GPU launches in a few months time. When you're spending this much on a pc, especially on the GPU, it would be a waste not to wait and see if you can get more performance for the same price or less potentially

[Barnash]

13 minutes ago, mbntr said:

Since you seem to be doing mainly gaming I would even suggest you something like an i5 10600k, I know people like to shit on intel but it really has better gaming performance, same core and thread count, bit higher price but far better clock speed

True but for the extra cost I'll have to balance it out from the GPU most likely so I'll lose more performance than the gain I'm afraid

[mbntr]

Just now, Barnash said:

True but for the extra cost I'll have to balance it out from the GPU most likely so I'll lose more performance than the gain I'm afraid

yes, the performance level is similar and if you can't stretch your budget than go for the 3600, it's still a very valid CPU and it should be able to handle a 2080ti

[Barnash]

18 minutes ago, Eighjan said:

A 3600 can handle 1440p/144... whether it can keep a 2080ti interested enough to register on an activity list is another story - it may well spend a lot of it's time <5% utilised.

lol i'm sorry but what do you mean exactly?

if you're saying it can handle 1440/144 then why wouldn't it register on the activity list?

[HardStroke]

26 minutes ago, Barnash said:

Budget (including currency):$2000-2500$ including monitor

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Dota 2, CoD ,RS Siege, PoE and some upcoming AAA titles

Other details 1440p 144hz buying next week

 

Let me preface by saying that I have an opportunity to shop in the US and enjoy reasonable prices

prices in my country are 40% more expensive, buying now and upgrading later is something I want to avoid so the mentality is buy once cry once

 

Building a PC for my little brother purely for gaming Dota 2, CoD, RS Siege, PoE and some upcoming AAA titles

His budget is $2000 including a monitor

 

Aiming for 1440p 144hz experience I came up with a build but it exceeds the budget by $500

I wonder if it would be money well spent if I'll add the extra on my behalf for him having the best gaming experience possible

 

The plan is to upgrade to a high tier cpu later when architecture matures and probably oc it

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($172.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($70.00) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($104.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card  ($1279.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.99 @ Best Buy) 
Monitor: LG 27GL83A-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($379.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2512.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 16:49 EDT-0400

 

 

 

 

so you have the money for a top end air cooled 2080 ti but dont have money for a 3700x/3800x?

then go for a 2080/2080s and get yourself a 3700x or a 3800x with a strong mothrboards.

its better to have a strong high end cpu paired with a strong high end gpu then a mid range cpu paired with the best top end gaming gpu 

[Barnash]

5 minutes ago, HardStroke said:

so you have the money for a top end air cooled 2080 ti but dont have money for a 3700x/3800x?

then go for a 2080/2080s and get yourself a 3700x or a 3800x with a strong mothrboards.

its better to have a strong high end cpu paired with a strong high end gpu then a mid range cpu paired with the best top end gaming gpu 

but by doing that you lose performance in games so what's the point? what would a better cpu gives that the 3600 can't?

[HardStroke]

18 minutes ago, Barnash said:

but by doing that you lose performance in games so what's the point? what would a better cpu give me that the 3600 can't?

if you go for intel's i5 10600k or a 10700k you will get high clock speeds and far better overclock performance which a 2080s/2080 ti can benefit from.

amd's 3700x and 3800x do have 2 more cores and 4 more threads which is really good and really worth the money 

in some games you get just a bit more frames (around 10 or 15) in 1440p with a 2080 ti - tested with a 3700x

im sure that a 2080 super can benefit from 8 cores and 16 threads and maybe even better then a 2080 ti with 6 cores and 12 threads but its your money, your decision. 

[Mateyyy]

21 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yup. I would strongly question your choice of parts here, as well. You are paying $100 more for the same 6 cores, albit at a higher clockspeed. You are paying $80 more for what is in essence the same motherboard, to the end user. As long as it works, an X570 Aqua is no different than a Tomahawk Max. It's also interesting to me how you were able to somehow find a 2x8 3600 kit of memory that is more than $100. It's just not required and perhaps @Barnash likes the look of the kit he selected. And, as a result of that, because you spent $200 more than you had to on your CPU + motherboard + memory combo, in order to stay in the budget it is actually required to downgrade to a 2080S instead of a 2080ti. Your "better build" would actually preform worse in games because of the worse GPU. Not to mention that OP had a 850 watt, nice, Corsair unit and for some reason you decided to remove 200 watts of headroom for a Be Quiet logo at the same price. (The RM PSU would actually probably be more quiet as it would operate at a less total % of peak load).

 

EDIT: I also just saw this, you swapped an NVME SSD for a Silicon Power SSD which is $30 more expensive? What even?

Whatever you say, I'll respond to you in a bit, I really cba atm

[HardStroke]

16 minutes ago, Barnash said:

but by doing that you lose performance in games so what's the point? what would a better cpu give me that the 3600 can't?

check this video

 

in most games the 2080 ti performs better paired with a strong high end cpu then with a budget cpu like the 3600 and its just in 1080p

3700x is a bit weaker then a 9900k, they perform pretty close to each other from tests that i saw

if you want a 3600 and a 2080 ti just to say that you have a 2080 ti it will be a really bad decision when you can get a 2080s and a 3700x or a 3800x 

[mbntr]

19 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

News flash: A GPU matters more than a CPU for gaming. You need to spend $200 more on the i5 + board combo so by doing that you are taking money out of the rest of your system, say GPU, which again, matters more for gaming than a CPU.

 

A 2080ti and 3600 is rather unbalanced as a build, sure you get better performance from a 3300x paired with a titan RTX than from a 3700 and a 2080 but that is just stupid, 180 USD for a CPU and 1200 USD for the GPU makes little to no sense,1440p 144Hz can be done with a 2080 or even a 2070 super, you do not need that much horsepower.

The price gap is also nowhere that high, z490 boards can be had for 160 dollars and B460 can cost less than 70, the CPU is alsoabout 60-70 bucks more and it is much faster in gaming.

 

A better loadout would be a 3700 or a 10600k + 2080 Super

 

[Barnash]

15 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

I have a 8700k and a 2080. I struggle in RDR2 to get over 70 FPS at pretty low settings, on the bar graph thing. Like perhaps 4 notches above min (perhaps 20 notches on the entire scale). (1440p). My GPU is loaded pretty hard, but my CPU, almost nothing. While I agree that something more powerful would be suited for it, in certain games and circumstances it would be just fine. My number for difference in price is based off of my experience with others that have recommenced the 10600k vs the 3600, and their CPU + board + cooler + mem combos were all over $200 more expensive. Just my experience. Look at your own parts list. If you swapped the GPU with the same 2080ti, it would be much more expensive, even more than $200.

$183 difference...

 

3600 stock cooler     + b450 tomahawk + 2080ti         = $2247.91

10600k noctua u12s + z490 tomahawk + 2080 super = $2064.91

 

Idk what to do 

[Mateyyy]

2 hours ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yup. I would strongly question your choice of parts here, as well. You are paying $100 more for the same 6 cores, albit at a higher clockspeed. You are paying $80 more for what is in essence the same motherboard, to the end user. As long as it works, an X570 Aqua is no different than a Tomahawk Max. It's also interesting to me how you were able to somehow find a 2x8 3600 kit of memory that is more than $100. It's just not required and perhaps @Barnash likes the look of the kit he selected. And, as a result of that, because you spent $200 more than you had to on your CPU + motherboard + memory combo, in order to stay in the budget it is actually required to downgrade to a 2080S instead of a 2080ti. Your "better build" would actually preform worse in games because of the worse GPU. Not to mention that OP had a 850 watt, nice, Corsair unit and for some reason you decided to remove 200 watts of headroom for a Be Quiet logo at the same price. (The RM PSU would actually probably be more quiet as it would operate at a less total % of peak load).

 

EDIT: I also just saw this, you swapped an NVME SSD for a Silicon Power SSD which is $30 more expensive? What even?

I'm not gonna bother quoting each observation of yours separately because there's no point.

 

Those "same 6 cores" are better for gaming, plain and simple. Zen 3 might tighten that gaming performance gap, hence why I suggested OP to wait until later this year for new hardware to come out, but until then Intel is still better for gaming than AMD. If we're to go by your logic, why not recommend a 3300X? It offers pretty much the same gaming performance as the 3600 now (or even slightly better in some cases because of the absence of extra CCX latency), and I guess with all the saving money in a $2500 build a 3300X would work just nicely.

 

Yeah, it's the same motherboard to the end user (unless they actually care about a board's features and more nitty gritty details, but I guess you haven't thought about that), until they actually want to upgrade to a high-end 12-core CPU and maybe do some overclocking and notice that that same motherboard is now throttling because of subpar VRMs. But then again, it's a $2500 build, better go with a B450 board to save some money, eh?

 

If you'd have actually checked before writing this, you'd notice that that memory kit is 3600MHz 16-16-16-36. It's a Samsung B-die kit, which you could more than likely easily get to around 4000MHz with a little extra voltage and some time. Is that also interesting to you?

 

Oh yeah, going with a 2080 Super instead of the Ti is SUCH A DOWNGRADE, honestly, that single digit extra percentage of performance of the 2080Ti is more than worth the extra $400+.

 

The Straight Power 11 is plain old better than the RM. Why buy an 850W unit when you're not gonna even gonna need half of its rated output really? Also, there's PSU "rated" for like 1200W that go for 50 bucks, better get one of those eh? Who cares about the quality of components, the number on the box is higher so it's gotta be better.

 

I just love how you said "an NVMe SSD". It's an SSD that uses QLC flash, it's unsuitable for an OS drive, even more so since, again, THIS IS A $2500 BUILD. wHaT eVeN?

 

Honestly, maybe actually start and at least double-check why I picked the parts I did pick before you start blabbering and recommending fucking B450 boards for a $2500 build in 2020. I get recommending less expensive parts to save money, I do it as well when it is the case and when it doesn't mean sacrificing on the entire rest of the build just to get a slightly faster GPU. 

Either way, here's the build but with a 3600 and cheaper RAM, just to make your day better.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gxb7Nq

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($172.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.99) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AC ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($92.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($754.99 @ Walmart) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 11 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.90 @ B&H) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM 107.41 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($27.95 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM 107.41 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($27.95 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: LG 27GL83A-B 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($379.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $2056.71

[Mateyyy]

33 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

OP said this was a gaming focused build, so there wouldn't really be any reason to upgrade to anything more than the 3800x. (8C)

Who knows what the standard will be 5 years from now? Again, what's the point in limiting your upgradability options in a build with that budget?

34 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Not very interesting. Again, OP said this was a gaming focused build, so overclocking his memory is really just going to be more trouble than the return he gets in gaming performance.

Regardless of what you find interesting, it's faster. And for Ryzen it'll make even more of a difference, especially if you get a CPU that can push 1900MHz on the FCLK, since you can easily overclock that kit to 3800MHz.

35 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Perhaps he should get the 3600 with a 2080S then and save $400

Indeed

36 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

You check out the LTT video on the 8tb SSD? It uses QLC, but turns some of those into a MLC cache and then in drive downtime later converts it to QLC. Many other SSDs use similar tech. I would also recommend watching his video on the 660p.

I did actually. The amount of cache (which afaik is SLC on most drives) varies depending on the capacity of the drive, so you're not going to see even close to as big of a cache on a 1TB drive as you'll see on that specific 8TB drive. 

Having used an Intel 660p as an OS drive, I can personally confirm that it will choke even when you're just installing a game and trying to browse the web. And it's a chore. Again, how can you justify cheaping out on the SSD on a $2500 build?

38 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

A b450 board is perfectly fine. It meets his needs.

I commented on this previously. Technically OP could also buy an A320 board and it'll probably work with a 6-core, why not recommend that instead?

38 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

A 550w PSU for a 2080S + 3600?

Yes, a 550W PSU for a 2080 Super and 3600. What's your point?

[Nena Trinity]

Majority of games yes, but maybe get the X model just to get a little extra.

[GrockleTD]

@Barnash as much as your little bro would love to have a 2080Ti, a 2070 super would still just fine at the desired refresh rate and resolution and be within the budget

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team MP34 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($127.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: PNY GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Edition Video Card  ($1149.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Phanteks AMP 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($96.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($299.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $2399.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 22:44 EDT-0400

[Eighjan]

11 hours ago, Barnash said:

lol i'm sorry but what do you mean exactly?

if you're saying it can handle 1440/144 then why wouldn't it register on the activity list?

I meant the 2080ti would 'get bored' waiting for the 3600 to provide it with enough frames to 'process'...