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Posted · Original PosterOP

Budget (including currency): pretty open, would be great if it is <3000€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Primary for working with Visual Studio, Photoshop, XD and Emulation like Android (which uses Intel VT-x and Intel HAXM if I remember correctly, don't know if the Microsoft Visual Studio Version of the AVD is working with AMD CPU's yet). Beside the "working" part I use my system also for Gaming on different games. Because I like Raytracing, I would prefer to keep this feature same as G-Sync. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): - 

 

Short background: I'm already running a pretty decent system right now but it is pretty annoying. Lets start with the part list of my current system: 

Mainboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XI Code 

CPU: i9-9900K 

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 32GB C16 3200 MHz with 4 Sticks 

GPU: ASUS ROG 2080 Ti OC

Storage: All flash drives (2x M.2 Samsung Pro each 1 TB, 2x Sata Samsung Evo each 2 TB)

PSU: Corsair AX860i

CPU Cooling: Corsair H150i 

Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D 

Fans: Multiple Corsair ML120 and ML140 

Other: Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro, BluRay Drive, 2x ROG Addressable LED Strip, Custom Sleeved Cables

 

From the specs, this system is okay. But I'm already on my 4th GPU (never in my life I had to swap the GPU so often as with this rig from 2018...). Also it's my 2nd PSU. On top of that, the USB Controller of my Mainboard often does not detect my USB devices and the case feels pretty outdated - all the dust filters are great but the front I/O is not great at all. 

 

So my question now is, what are great cases by todays standards? And what is the general stuff used in current high end builds with Ryzen (if there is a way to run Android Simulators from Visual Studio on them, still have todo a bit more reasearch) or Intel K-CPU's? And especially which GPU is more reliable with comparable performance? Would be great to have a "It's just working" system for the next 4-5 years... 

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Just now, Sebastian1989101 said:

Budget (including currency): pretty open, would be great if it is <3000€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Primary for working with Visual Studio, Photoshop, XD and Emulation like Android (which uses Intel VT-x and Intel HAXM if I remember correctly, don't know if the Microsoft Visual Studio Version of the AVD is working with AMD CPU's yet). Beside the "working" part I use my system also for Gaming on different games. Because I like Raytracing, I would prefer to keep this feature same as G-Sync. 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): - 

 

Short background: I'm already running a pretty decent system right now but it is pretty annoying. Lets start with the part list of my current system: 

Mainboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XI Code 

CPU: i9-9900K 

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 32GB C16 3200 MHz with 4 Sticks 

GPU: ASUS ROG 2080 Ti OC

Storage: All flash drives (2x M.2 Samsung Pro each 1 TB, 2x Sata Samsung Evo each 2 TB)

PSU: Corsair AX860i

CPU Cooling: Corsair H150i 

Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D 

Fans: Multiple Corsair ML120 and ML140 

Other: Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro, BluRay Drive, 2x ROG Addressable LED Strip, Custom Sleeved Cables

 

From the specs, this system is okay. But I'm already on my 4th GPU (never in my life I had to swap the GPU so often as with this rig from 2018...). Also it's my 2nd PSU. On top of that, the USB Controller of my Mainboard often does not detect my USB devices and the case feels pretty outdated - all the dust filters are great but the front I/O is not great at all. 

 

So my question now is, what are great cases by todays standards? And what is the general stuff used in current high end builds with Ryzen (if there is a way to run Android Simulators from Visual Studio on them, still have todo a bit more reasearch) or Intel K-CPU's? And especially which GPU is more reliable with comparable performance? Would be great to have a "It's just working" system for the next 4-5 years... 

i mean..... YOUVE GOT A 9900K AND A 2080Ti!

 

 

wait for ryzen 4000 and new gpus (nvidia 3000 series and amd rdna 2)


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system 2: Athlon X2 250, 2048 MB DDR3 Memory, 3x500 GB 6G HDDs, Integrated Graphics, Random Hack Motherboard and PSU

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system 3: in the works, waiting for Zen3 and Ampere/Big Navi :3

senpai suck my ass, we'll be together

senpai suck my ass, it will last forever

senpai suck my ass, its a sweet sensation

senpai suck my ass, these words are desperation

i dont know if you will like it

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2 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

i mean..... YOUVE GOT A 9900K AND A 2080Ti!

 

 

wait for ryzen 4000 and new gpus (nvidia 3000 series and amd rdna 2)

WAIT THAT'S HIS CURRENT SPECS?


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5 minutes ago, Sebastian1989101 said:

Would be great to have a "It's just working" system for the next 4-5 years... 

Maybe it's better, then, for you to buy a PC through someone like Puget Systems or similar. That way someone else has validated the hardware and will support it if something goes wrong.


BabyBlu (Primary Rig): 

  • Intel Core i9 9900K @ Per Core 5.2Ghz, 5.2Ghz, 5.2Ghz, 5.2Ghz, 5.1Ghz, 5.1Ghz, 5.0Ghz, 5.0Ghz; Cache @ 4.8Ghz; 0 AVX offset
  • Asus Maximus XI Hero
  • G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4x8GB DDR4-3200 CL14 @ 4000Mhz 16-18-18-36
  • MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk EK X
  • Phanteks Evolv X
  • 3x ADATA Ultimate SU800 1TB (RAID 0), Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVME
  • Corsair HX1000i
  • Dell S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165 Hz Gsync
  • Custom water loop (CPU & GPU), Radiators: 1x140mm(Back), 1x280mm(Top), 1x420mm(Front)
  • Corsair Strafe RGB (Cherry MX Brown), Corsair Scimitar Elite, Corsair Void Pro RGB
  • Windows 10 Pro

Roxanne (Wife Build):

  • Intel Core i7 4790K @ Per Core 5.0Ghz - 5.0Ghz - 4.9Ghz - 4.8Ghz, Cache @ 4.6Ghz, De-lidded
  • Asus Z97A
  • G.Skill Ripjaws X 4x4GB DDR3-2133 CL9 @ 2200Mhz 9-11-10-28
  • EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 Gaming ICX
  • Corsair Vengeance C70, With Custom Side-Panel Window
  • Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB
  • Corsair AX760
  • Samsung C27JG56 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Curved Freesync
  • Corsair H115i RGB
  • Rosewill RK 9000V2(Cherry MX Blue), crap wireless mouse she insists on using (lol), SteelSeries Arctis 7
  • Windows 10 Pro

BlackBox (HTPC):

  • Intel Core i7 6700 slightly under-volted
  • Asus H110T/CSM Thin Mini-ITX
  • G.Skill 1x8GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM CL16
  • iGPU
  • Akasa Euler Fanless Solid Aluminum THIN Mini ITX Case (passively cooled)
  • Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
  • External 120W Power Adaptor
  • 4K TV
  • Passively cooled by the Akasa case. No moving parts!
  • Handheld QWERTY keyboard and trackpad.
  • Windows 10 Pro, Kodi autostarts on boot

NAS:

  • Synology DS216J
  • 2x8TB WD Red NAS HDDs in RAID 1. 8TB usable space
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3 minutes ago, Sebastian1989101 said:

But I'm already on my 4th GPU (never in my life I had to swap the GPU so often as with this rig from 2018...). Also it's my 2nd PSU.

Wow... How long is your system running daily on average? I have heard about GPUs dying under intense loads sooner but I have no reference what exactly are intense loads. I would imagine that workstation cards like Quadros and FirePros/Radeon Pros might last longer.

 

What was your first PSU out of curiosity?


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Yes this are my current specs. But as said I'm pretty unhappy with the rate this GPU fails and the last two days I already got again this stupid artifakts showing up once so the current GPU will probably die in the next few days... again... And no, it didn't hit bad temperatures even once the whole time... 

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Dude why do you want to upgrade from 9900K and 2080Ti? There's nothing more to get :D

Great cases are Phanteks P400A/P300A, CoolerMaster H500/TD500, Fractal Design Meshify C, BeQuiet PureBase 500dx.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - GPU: Asus GTX 1080 Ti - RAM: 16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600MHz cl16 - PSU: Corsair RMx 650W - Storage: 500 GB Samsung Evo 850 2,5" + 2 TB Samsung Evo 860 M.2 - Cooling: Noctua NH-D15 (CPU) + Raijintek Morpheus II (GPU) - Case: CoolerMaster Mastercase H500 - Fans: Noctua 2x NF-A20 (Front), 1x NF-A14 (Top back), 1x NF-F12 (Back), 2x NF-A12x15 (GPU) - Soundcard: Asus Xonar Essence STX II - Fan Controller: Corsair Commander Pro - OS: Windows 10 Pro - Monitor: AOC AG352UCG6 Secondary Monitor: AOC 24G2 HDR-Gaming-TV: LG C9 OLED 55" - Mouse: Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE Wireless - Keyboard: Corsair K63 Wireless + Lapboard - Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT990 Edition 600 Ohm - Microphone: Antlion ModMic

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I guess you can have a look at Quadro cards if you want something more reliable but idk how you manage to wreck so many 2080Ti's.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - GPU: Asus GTX 1080 Ti - RAM: 16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600MHz cl16 - PSU: Corsair RMx 650W - Storage: 500 GB Samsung Evo 850 2,5" + 2 TB Samsung Evo 860 M.2 - Cooling: Noctua NH-D15 (CPU) + Raijintek Morpheus II (GPU) - Case: CoolerMaster Mastercase H500 - Fans: Noctua 2x NF-A20 (Front), 1x NF-A14 (Top back), 1x NF-F12 (Back), 2x NF-A12x15 (GPU) - Soundcard: Asus Xonar Essence STX II - Fan Controller: Corsair Commander Pro - OS: Windows 10 Pro - Monitor: AOC AG352UCG6 Secondary Monitor: AOC 24G2 HDR-Gaming-TV: LG C9 OLED 55" - Mouse: Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE Wireless - Keyboard: Corsair K63 Wireless + Lapboard - Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT990 Edition 600 Ohm - Microphone: Antlion ModMic

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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, redteam4ever said:

Wow... How long is your system running daily on average? I have heard about GPUs dying under intense loads sooner but I have no reference what exactly are intense loads. I would imagine that workstation cards like Quadros and FirePros/Radeon Pros might last longer.

 

What was your first PSU out of curiosity?

The hardware was always the same just RMA switches yet. So the first PSU was also a AX860i. The system runs about 16 hours a day but sometimes without a break (if it does some calculations or complex compiling which is also in some cases forwarded to the GPU). 

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5 minutes ago, Kanna said:

WAIT THAT'S HIS CURRENT SPECS?

 

10 minutes ago, Sebastian1989101 said:

I'm already running a pretty decent system right now but it is pretty annoying. Lets start with the part list of my current system

 

Mainboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XI Code 

 

CPU: i9-9900K 

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 32GB C16 3200 MHz with 4 Sticks 

GPU: ASUS ROG 2080 Ti OC

Storage: All flash drives (2x M.2 Samsung Pro each 1 TB, 2x Sata Samsung Evo each 2 TB)

PSU: Corsair AX860i

CPU Cooling: Corsair H150i 

Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D 

Fans: Multiple Corsair ML120 and ML140 

Other: Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro, BluRay Drive, 2x ROG Addressable LED Strip, Custom Sleeved Cables

MOREOVER HE CALLS IT "okay" LIKE WHAAA


welcome to my potato farm

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system 1: Pentium E5200, 1024 MB DDR2 Memory, 320GB 3G HDD, Intel GMA 3100 Graphics, Random Hack Motherboard and PSU

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system 2: Athlon X2 250, 2048 MB DDR3 Memory, 3x500 GB 6G HDDs, Integrated Graphics, Random Hack Motherboard and PSU

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system 3: in the works, waiting for Zen3 and Ampere/Big Navi :3

senpai suck my ass, we'll be together

senpai suck my ass, it will last forever

senpai suck my ass, its a sweet sensation

senpai suck my ass, these words are desperation

i dont know if you will like it

but i think that you should try its

senpai please just do this for me

some say it tastes like potpourri

                                                                          -pewdiepie, 2011

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Just now, PoopThatTookAPee said:

 

MOREOVER HE CALLS IT "okay" LIKE WHAAA

THAT IS ON TOP OF THE LINE


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Maybe it's better, then, for you to buy a PC through someone like Puget Systems or similar. That way someone else has validated the hardware and will support it if something goes wrong.

The major problem if, is there is any error the system is not available for multiple days. A week downtime would cost me more than such a system is worth. Also I think Caseking is one of the only options here in germany for good pre builded systems that are not loaded with shit hardware and bloatware. 

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Just now, Kanna said:

THAT IS ON TOP OF THE LINE

A system that fails regular can't be great. :) Strange thing is, that this is the first time I have any issues with a self build system and in this case so many at once... 

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Just now, Sebastian1989101 said:

A system that fails regular can't be great. :) Strange thing is, that this is the first time I have any issues with a self build system and in this case so many at once... 

Something must be wrong on your end since that hardware shouldn't fail with great care I have cards from 2000's that still work


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New system? 9900K!! 2080ti!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just change out the parts that are not working for different ones. No need for a new system, this is as good as it gets

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Just now, Avocheeseado said:

New system? 9900K!! 2080ti!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just change out the parts that are not working for different ones. No need for a new system, this is as good as it gets

Apparently he have wasted "multiple" 2080's 


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5 minutes ago, Kanna said:

THAT IS ON TOP OF THE LINE

EVERYONE IS FREAKING OUT LMFAOO THATS NOT TOP OF THE LINE THATS LIKE 5 LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF THE LINE

 

1 minute ago, Kanna said:

Something must be wrong on your end since that hardware shouldn't fail with great care I have cards from 2000's that still work

 


welcome to my potato farm

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system 1: Pentium E5200, 1024 MB DDR2 Memory, 320GB 3G HDD, Intel GMA 3100 Graphics, Random Hack Motherboard and PSU

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system 2: Athlon X2 250, 2048 MB DDR3 Memory, 3x500 GB 6G HDDs, Integrated Graphics, Random Hack Motherboard and PSU

Quote

system 3: in the works, waiting for Zen3 and Ampere/Big Navi :3

senpai suck my ass, we'll be together

senpai suck my ass, it will last forever

senpai suck my ass, its a sweet sensation

senpai suck my ass, these words are desperation

i dont know if you will like it

but i think that you should try its

senpai please just do this for me

some say it tastes like potpourri

                                                                          -pewdiepie, 2011

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Just now, Kanna said:

Apparently he have wasted "multiple" 2080's 

🤦‍♂️just got worse. Something must be wrong if those keep failing

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Kanna said:

Something must be wrong on your end since that hardware shouldn't fail with great care I have cards from 2000's that still work

My wife also still uses the system I build in 2008 and a friend of my uses my system from 2013. No issues at all with those two systems.. 

 

My guess is, that maybe there is something wrong with the Mainboard that it kills the GPU's by some sort of error with the PCIe interface. But without proper testing equipment this is nothing I can clearly identify. 

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22 minutes ago, Sebastian1989101 said:

don't know if the Microsoft Visual Studio Version of the AVD is working with AMD CPU's yet

I think so, look here:

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2018/07/android-emulator-amd-processor-hyper-v.html

 

In this case, Threadripper might be worth looking into...


My heart belongs to AMD but that doesn't mean I furiously hate Intel or NVIDIA :)

 

COMPUTER AMD Ryzen 7 1700 | ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac | MSI HD7950 OC 3GB | G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB @ 3200MHz (Samsung D-Die) | ADATA SX8200 480GB NVMe SSD & WD Black 500GB | Antec ISK600

 

NOTEBOOK Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga S1 (a.k.a. Yoga 12) - Intel Core i5 4200U | Intel HD4400 | 8GB RAM | Samsung 850 EVO 500GB | 1080p display w/ Wacom Digitizer

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, redteam4ever said:

I think so, look here:

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2018/07/android-emulator-amd-processor-hyper-v.html

 

In this case, Threadripper might be worth looking into...

Microsoft Visual Studio does not use the original Google AVD. As of right now, the setup of the Visual Studio requires to install Intel HAXM if you want the Android emulator integration to install. But I'm not sure if this is only because the setup detects the Intel CPU. 

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9 minutes ago, Sebastian1989101 said:

Microsoft Visual Studio does not use the original Google AVD. As of right now, the setup of the Visual Studio requires to install Intel HAXM if you want the Android emulator integration to install. But I'm not sure if this is only because the setup detects the Intel CPU. 

From this article, it seems like HAXM is only supported on Intel CPUs (what a shocker) and isn't required for AMD since the introduction of WHPX. You need to have Windows 10 1803+ and Visual Studio 2017 15.8.0+ which you probably have. Then you need optional Windows features HyperV and Windows Hypervisor Platform installed - as noted in this SO discussion.


My heart belongs to AMD but that doesn't mean I furiously hate Intel or NVIDIA :)

 

COMPUTER AMD Ryzen 7 1700 | ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac | MSI HD7950 OC 3GB | G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB @ 3200MHz (Samsung D-Die) | ADATA SX8200 480GB NVMe SSD & WD Black 500GB | Antec ISK600

 

NOTEBOOK Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga S1 (a.k.a. Yoga 12) - Intel Core i5 4200U | Intel HD4400 | 8GB RAM | Samsung 850 EVO 500GB | 1080p display w/ Wacom Digitizer

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I don't know if you caught this, but Linus Torvalds actually had a similar setup to you and he recently upgraded to Threadripper. It was a very sensible upgrade and I think it is something to consider with your needs...

 

Suggested upgrade:

CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X - 1999€

This Threadripper is a decent step-up from 9900K, although it might perform a tad worse in some games. 3980X (48 cores) and 3990X (64 cores) have lower clockspeeds which will further diminish gaming performance and are significantly pricier.

Cooler: Corsair CW-8960054 - 9.99$

Your H150i supports sTRX4 socket with this bracket, so you don't need to upgrade.

Motherboard: Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master - 568.99€
This is the motherboard that Linus Torvalds chose - he says it has a robust power delivery system which I believe, Gigabyte boasts about Infineon VRMs

GPU: NVIDIA RTX 2080Ti Founders Edition - 1517.11€

I would try to go with Founders Edition. Quadros are REALLY expensive - equivalent to 2080 Ti would be Quadro 6000 which goes for around 5000€ and it's just not worth it to you, since you want to game on it as well. I believe that FE is engineered more for longevity than performance. If you sell your old one, this will be a cheap upgrade.

Memory: As much as I would like to see 64GB of RAM, it's already an expensive upgrade and you still can upgrade down the line. I would consider 32GB as a minimum for this kind of workstation.

Case: Lian Li PC-O11DX Dynamic - 139.99€

You mentioned that you don't like the front I/O on your current case but the only step up would be USB Type C which this case offers. This is a revision of PC-O11 and they collaborated with der8auer which is a guaranteed success. Lian Li cases are always a great choice. I feel like the best way to go about the front I/O is to not use it. You can get some extensions or hubs and place them wherever - on your desk or even build them into the desk which gives you better access to the ports and less clearance issues for big devices. I only looked ad Amazon DE, so there surely is a better case - this one doesn't have a bay for your Blu Ray drive for example.

 

If you factor in that you can sell your current stuff, the final price of the upgrade won't be that high. I don't think that you need a new power supply, AX860i is very solid, the first one dying was probably a fluke.
 


My heart belongs to AMD but that doesn't mean I furiously hate Intel or NVIDIA :)

 

COMPUTER AMD Ryzen 7 1700 | ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac | MSI HD7950 OC 3GB | G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB @ 3200MHz (Samsung D-Die) | ADATA SX8200 480GB NVMe SSD & WD Black 500GB | Antec ISK600

 

NOTEBOOK Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga S1 (a.k.a. Yoga 12) - Intel Core i5 4200U | Intel HD4400 | 8GB RAM | Samsung 850 EVO 500GB | 1080p display w/ Wacom Digitizer

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