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I will be building a pc soon with a ryzen 5 3600 and either a 2070s or a 2060s. I need to buy a monitor as well and my budget is around $1500. I know that I could fit a 2070s and a 1080p 144hz monitor in $1500. But if I go for the 2060s I could fit a 1080p 144hz monitor and a secondary 60hz monitor. I’m wondering what is better (this is my first build). Will I bottleneck with the 3600+2070s? I know the 2070s is overkill for 1080p but I also want to futureproof my rig as much as possible. Is it worth the drop in performance for 2 monitors and a more balanced system. I know the 2060s is less powerful, but it’s also less future proof. 2 monitors is extremely useful, but is there enough of a difference going from the 2060s to the 2070s in terms of raw performance and future proofing to warrant the extra price and the lack of a 2nd display. 
 

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nothing is future proof.

 

except for your psu

 

or fans

 

and probably case


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I would suggest for the 2070 super a 1440p monitor, infact even a 1660 can run quite well with a 1080p 144Hz monitor.

and no the 3600 will not be bottlenecked by neither cards


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Just now, eeeee1 said:

nothing is future proof.

 

except for your psu

 

or fans

 

and probably case

until they change the standards... INTEL!!!

 


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1 minute ago, mbntr said:

until they change the standards... INTEL!!!

 

oh no!


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Just now, eeeee1 said:

oh no!

let me list some...

BTX (failed miserably), ATX12VO (will fail miserably), IA-64 (ITANIUM) and many others


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, mbntr said:

I would suggest for the 2070 super a 1440p monitor, infact even a 1660 can run quite well with a 1080p 144Hz monitor.

and no the 3600 will not be bottlenecked by neither cards

Ok, I was most worried. By the bottleneck , I’ll go 2070s :3

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20 minutes ago, pixxel said:

But if I go for the 2060s I could fit a 1080p 144hz monitor and a secondary 60hz monitor.

you can probably find a used 1080p 60hz monitor for probably less than 30$ used around you...maybe even for free.


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Why not a 5700xt?


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1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

you can probably find a used 1080p 60hz monitor for probably less than 30$ used around you...maybe even for free.

my friend says that he has a few extra monitors, I might be able to snag one of those :3

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6 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Definitely 2070 Super since it would put you a little ahead of the PS5's rasterization power and likely significantly above its raytracing power.

I'll do that, and I'll upgrade to 1440p in the future, so the 2070s will be better for that as well :3

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6 hours ago, gloop said:

Why not a 5700xt?

If ray tracing becomes a thing, I'd like to experience that. Also Nvec encoding is rlly nice to have for me :3

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I've got a 2070 Super and a 1080p 144Hz monitor. Trust me, that card is very much overkill for that kind of monitor. But it is a fantastic GPU all around, especially the MSI Gaming X Trio AIB model that I've got. 

 

An RX 5700XT is still the better buy if you don't need NVENC, however. 


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7 hours ago, pixxel said:

I'll do that, and I'll upgrade to 1440p in the future, so the 2070s will be better for that as well :3

I do have to warn that level of gpu power might not be enough for 1440p60 high in next gen console ports since the consoles with that level gpu or better (XBox Series X looks like it might be ~20% more powerful on gpu) seem to be targeting 1440p30 and 2160p30. For instance, this Unreal 5 tech demo was done at 1440p30 on the PS5 gpu and didn't use raytracing, so it's likely close to how it'll run on the 2070 Super without RT.

 

 

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Wait for 3000 series and RDNA2 then grab the best GPU you can RDNA2 with same numbers of compute units as the consoles or more should be minimum. ;)


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15 hours ago, pixxel said:

I will be building a pc soon with a ryzen 5 3600 and either a 2070s or a 2060s. I need to buy a monitor as well and my budget is around $1500. I know that I could fit a 2070s and a 1080p 144hz monitor in $1500. But if I go for the 2060s I could fit a 1080p 144hz monitor and a secondary 60hz monitor. I’m wondering what is better (this is my first build). Will I bottleneck with the 3600+2070s? I know the 2070s is overkill for 1080p but I also want to futureproof my rig as much as possible. Is it worth the drop in performance for 2 monitors and a more balanced system. I know the 2060s is less powerful, but it’s also less future proof. 2 monitors is extremely useful, but is there enough of a difference going from the 2060s to the 2070s in terms of raw performance and future proofing to warrant the extra price and the lack of a 2nd display. 
 

Thanks in advance for your responses :3

Until we see what the 3000 series has to offer, nothing is future proof. Even then, the least future-proof part of your build will always be the GPU, IMO. Plenty of owners thought they had the best of the best of the best with the 2080, then the 2080 Ti came out. Plenty thought they'd won the lottery with the 2080 Ti, then the 2080S dropped out of the blue with almost all of the performance at a much lower price.

 

My logic on GPUs is that if you can wait, wait. If you need one, just buy the one that makes the most sense at the time. If you buy a 2070S and it's still meeting your needs in two years, who cares if the 3070 is 10% faster?


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1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I do have to warn that level of gpu power might not be enough for 1440p60 high in next gen console ports since the consoles with that level gpu or better (XBox Series X looks like it might be ~20% more powerful on gpu) seem to be targeting 1440p30 and 2160p30. For instance, this Unreal 5 tech demo was done at 1440p30 on the PS5 gpu and didn't use raytracing, so it's likely close to how it'll run on the 2070 Super without RT.

 

 

If I remember right that demo was actually done on a 2080ti but that should be close to the PS5 GPU in terms of power.

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12 minutes ago, Stockholmes said:

If I remember right that demo was actually done on a 2080ti but that should be close to the PS5 GPU in terms of power.

So a $1200 GPU will fit into a $500-$650 console?


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26 minutes ago, Stockholmes said:

If I remember right that demo was actually done on a 2080ti but that should be close to the PS5 GPU in terms of power.

It was done on a PS5 at 1440p/30fps


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4 hours ago, aisle9 said:

Until we see what the 3000 series has to offer, nothing is future proof. Even then, the least future-proof part of your build will always be the GPU, IMO. Plenty of owners thought they had the best of the best of the best with the 2080, then the 2080 Ti came out. Plenty thought they'd won the lottery with the 2080 Ti, then the 2080S dropped out of the blue with almost all of the performance at a much lower price.

 

My logic on GPUs is that if you can wait, wait. If you need one, just buy the one that makes the most sense at the time. If you buy a 2070S and it's still meeting your needs in two years, who cares if the 3070 is 10% faster?

I don’t play the hardest games to run either. Overwatch, Minecraft, GTA, Slime Rancher, and stuff like that. But if I get either GPU, I might start playing some AAA titles.

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12 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

I've got a 2070 Super and a 1080p 144Hz monitor. Trust me, that card is very much overkill for that kind of monitor. But it is a fantastic GPU all around, especially the MSI Gaming X Trio AIB model that I've got. 

 

An RX 5700XT is still the better buy if you don't need NVENC, however. 

I just want to fit the best card I can into my budget, so the 2070s is good for me. I hope to upgrade to 1440p in the future so I can actually leverage the power of the 2070, I’m leaving a lot of performance on the table if I don’t :3

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4 hours ago, aisle9 said:

Plenty of owners thought they had the best of the best of the best with the 2080, then the 2080 Ti came out. 

FWIW, both the 2080 and 2080 Ti came out at the same time, so those who bought a 2080 ought to have known that they weren't getting the best of the best. 

 

Especially since a 2070S that launched quite a bit later can pretty much match it. 


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3 hours ago, gloop said:

So a $1200 GPU will fit into a $500-$650 console?

Using a $1200 GPU that is less than 40% faster than a $400 one isn't a great way to try to estimate what would be on the consoles. They probably won't be as fast as the 2080Ti, but it won't be slower than the 5700XT, so not that far from the 2080Ti.

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