Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
Chickenfans

Are "NAS" HDDs necessary?

Recommended Posts

Posted · Original PosterOP

I am planning on building a NAS in the future, I was planning on using UNRAID since I have multiple random Seagate, WD, and HGST drives lying around. They are all meant for "desktop" use. Does it really matter though? Can I not use these drives in my NAS? I will have a backup of everything anyway so if one dies I can always replace it. I noticed pricing is vastly different, $54.99 for a 2TB Seagate "Desktop" Drive and $79.99 for an IronWolf "NAS" 2TB Drive; the one without Data recovery. What justifies spending $25 more?

 

Edit; I also just realized that the "NAS" HDDs are 5900rpm and the "Desktop" ones are 7200rpm?! Also the cache on the "NAS" one is 64MB whereas the one on the "Desktop" one is 256MB?!


"yes."

Link to post
Share on other sites

I believe nas drives are rated for running 24/7 without wearing down while standard drives can wear down or break if running 24/7.


I am far from an expert in this so please correct me if I’m wrong.

Quote or tag me so I can see your response

 

PSU Tier List

Motherboard Tier List

PARROT GANG

Mentioned in 7/10/20 WAN Show

Mentioned in 7/15/20 Techlinked

Mentioned in 7/17/20 Techlinked

Mentioned in 7/31/20 WAN Show

Mentioned in 7/31/20 Techlinked

Mentioned in 8/3/20 Techlinked

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Chickenfans said:

Can I not use these drives in my NAS

Yes, you can.


Hand, n. A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody’s pocket.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, zeusthemoose said:

I believe nas drives are rated for running 24/7 without wearing down while standard drives can wear down or break if running 24/7.

 

Just now, WereCatf said:

Yes, you can.

So would it be ok to use the drives I have now and as they slowly die move over to NAS drives?


"yes."

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Chickenfans said:

So would it be ok to use the drives I have now and as they slowly die move over to NAS drives?

Yes, there is no technical reason for why regular HDDs wouldn't work for NAS-use. The NAS-drives typically have higher ratings for 24/7 operation and handle vibration slightly better, but neither of those aspects is a show-stopper or anything like that.


Hand, n. A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody’s pocket.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Chickenfans said:

 

So would it be ok to use the drives I have now and as they slowly die move over to NAS drives?

 

Yes. Just because a drive isnt a NAS drive, doesnt mean it wont perform for long periods of time. 

The idea of "NAS" and Enterprise drives, is they're rated for 24/7 use, have more vibration tolerance for closs proximity to a large number of other spinning disks, and they have functions such as TLER (makes the drive aware of a faulty sector so it will skip it instead of getting stuck on retrying). Some desktop drives implement some of the features of NAS drives, but not all. 

 

My UnRAID server is full of white label WD's shucked out of EasyStores. In dual parity even if some die, they cost me almost 50% the price of getting NAS drives...so for me it was a considerable price difference taking the risk of replacing the odd drive, vs buying all "NAS" drives like the WD Red's in my FreeNAS box. 

 

 


Spoiler

Desktop: Ryzen 7 2700x | Aorus X470 Gaming Ultra | EVGA RTX2080 Super | 32GB (4x8GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3200Mhz | Corsair H105 AIO, NZXT Sentry 3 | Corsair SP120's | 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe, 4TB WD Black | Phanteks Enthoo Pro | Corsair RM650v2 PSU | LG 32" 32GK850G Monitor | Ducky Shine 3 Keyboard, Logitech G502, MicroLab Solo 7C Speakers, Razer Goliathus Extended, X360 Controller | Windows 10 Pro | SteelSeries Siberia 350 Headphones

 

Spoiler

Server 1: Fractal Design Define R6 | Ryzen 3950x | ASRock X570 Taichi | EVGA GTX1070 FTW | 64GB (4x16GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz | Corsair RM650v2 PSU | Fractal S36 Triple AIO | 10 x 8TB HGST Ultrastar He10 (WD Whitelabel) | 500GB Aorus Gen4 NVMe | 2 x 1TB Crucial P1 NVMe | LSI 9211-8i HBA

 

Server 2: Corsair 400R | IcyDock MB998SP & MB455SPF | Seasonic Focus Plus 650w PSU | 2 x Xeon X5650's | 48GB DDR3-ECC | Asus Z8NA-D6C Motherboard | AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 | LSI MegaRAID 9271-8i | RES2SV240 SAS Expander | Samsung 840Evo 120GB | 5 x 8TB Seagate Archives | 10 x 3TB WD Red

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

NAS rated drives are not explicitly necessary. They come with certain benefits that are not necessarily circuital for a home owned NAS.

 

You don't really need them.


Guides & Tutorials:

How To: Access Remote Systems at Home/Work Securely from Anywhere with Pritunl

How to Format Storage Devices in Windows 10

A How-To: Drive Sharing in Windows 10

VFIO GPU Pass-though w/ Looking Glass KVM on Ubuntu 19.04

A How-To Guide: Building a Rudimentary Disk Enclosure

Three Methods to Resetting a Windows Login Password

A Beginners Guide to Debian CLI Based File Servers

A Beginners Guide to PROXMOX

 

Guide/Tutorial in Progress:

How To: Remotely Access Your Server/NAS

 

In the Queue:

How to Use Memtest86 to Diagnose RAM Errors

 

Don't see what you need? Check the Full List or *PM me, if I haven't made it I'll add it to the list.

*NOTE: I'll only add it to the list if the request is something I know I can do.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The desktop drives with the big cache are probably SMR drives. You probably dont want those, especially if your using ZFS.

 

Other than avoiding SMR drives though, theres unlikely to be any real issue running "normal" drives.

 

A good place to source half-decent drives for a NAS are WD easystore and mybook external drives. They're perpetually on sale somewhere and are often significantly cheaper than a bare drive. Plus you get a nice enclosure and/or SATA to USB converter for free. Downside ofcourse is no warranty. However if your careful, you can open the enclosures without damaging them and if they did give you any trouble you could put them back into the enclosure and return to the store you got it from.

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Aragorn- said:

The desktop drives with the big cache are probably SMR drives. You probably dont want those, especially if your using ZFS.

 

Other than avoiding SMR drives though, theres unlikely to be any real issue running "normal" drives.

 

A good place to source half-decent drives for a NAS are WD easystore and mybook external drives. They're perpetually on sale somewhere and are often significantly cheaper than a bare drive. Plus you get a nice enclosure and/or SATA to USB converter for free. Downside ofcourse is no warranty. However if your careful, you can open the enclosures without damaging them and if they did give you any trouble you could put them back into the enclosure and return to the store you got it from.

He said unRAID, and using multiple different HDDs, so he won't use ZFS. SMR isn't as bad just in JBOD+Parity, but is ofc still in slower sometimes.

 

I have also heard that WD or Seagate or both have started using SMR drives in those external drives, but searching online might make you figure out what one are and what one aren't. Also some of them require you to tape one pin on the HDDs. (Don't remember what ones).

 

But NAS drivers aren't required, but on paper, NAS drives is less likely to die in a NAS configuration, I don't know if anyone have actually tested it tho.


“Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at. 
It matters that you don't just give up.”

-Stephen Hawking

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×