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Linux gaming is BETTER than Windows?

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Can someone tell me what is the super cool wooden case is that Anthony has for his linux Maschine?

 

I want this case reaaaaalllly bad.

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1 hour ago, M P said:

Can someone tell me what is the super cool wooden case is that Anthony has for his linux Maschine?

 

I want this case reaaaaalllly bad.

It looks like a System 76 pre-built. They make computers that ship with Linux. Specifically, Pop! OS, which they maintain.

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On 6/18/2020 at 9:48 PM, Radium_Angel said:

For casual, youtube browsing, steam gaming, sure, knock yourself out.

Wanna do real work? Back to Windows.

On 6/19/2020 at 5:39 AM, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Is it, though? I find the opposite: Windows is a "requirement" for many forms of entertainment (gaming, paid streaming services, even pirate stuff). However, for "real work" everything is available, and works better, under Linux. Not only the programs perform equal or better than in Windows, but also the OS itself being more stable, predictable, and lean helps to get work done. I say this having used both extensively for work (but mostly Windows for casual use).

What SpaceGhost said is what I have found to be true too, which is strange since a lot of people on the Internet always goes on about how "real work" is done on Windows, yet the most common answer to why someone doesn't use GNU/Linux is "I wanna play games".

 

If we're talking about "real work" in IT, then GNU/Linux is king. But I suspect a lot of people who talk about "real work" being done on Windows doesn't actually work with IT. To me, "real work" is programming, running servers, network configuration, IT management, security testing and hardening, and things like that. For those things, GNU/Linux is usually waaaaay more for "real work" than Windows.

But if you don't work in IT and instead work with for example sending mail, writing things in Word and Excel, making power point presentations, and stuff like that then Windows is probably the best suited for the task (especially since MS Office is king in the office world). Not a whole lot of media applications exist for GNU/Linux either so that field is dominated by Windows and MacOS as well.

 

I guess Windows domain admin is one of the rare exceptions where you don't need GNU/Linux when you work with IT.

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

What SpaceGhost said is what I have found to be true too, which is strange since a lot of people on the Internet always goes on about how "real work" is done on Windows, yet the most common answer to why someone doesn't use GNU/Linux is "I wanna play games".

 

If we're talking about "real work" in IT, then GNU/Linux is king. But I suspect a lot of people who talk about "real work" being done on Windows doesn't actually work with IT. To me, "real work" is programming, running servers, network configuration, IT management, security testing and hardening, and things like that. For those things, GNU/Linux is usually waaaaay more for "real work" than Windows.

But if you don't work in IT and instead work with for example sending mail, writing things in Word and Excel, making power point presentations, and stuff like that then Windows is probably the best suited for the task (especially since MS Office is king in the office world). Not a whole lot of media applications exist for GNU/Linux either so that field is dominated by Windows and MacOS as well.

 

I guess Windows domain admin is one of the rare exceptions where you don't need GNU/Linux when you work with IT.

I find the concept of "real work" to be valueless in the context of discussing what product is best. All work is real and the denotation of "real work" is arbitrary.  There are clearly cases where linux is better, but that is not based on how real someone considers the work type, it is based on  what the worker wants to use and what is best to use for that specific case.   What makes IT admin more real than engineering design or content creation or modal analysis?  Some "real work" is better on windows and some is better on Linux.   

 

One who manages the banking sectors back end might argue that you need a risc powered mainframe running something akin to Unix in order to be doing "real work".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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On 6/18/2020 at 8:48 PM, Radium_Angel said:

What pisses me off most about *nix, is they scream from every rooftop they can find that they are better and different, than slavishly copy everything Apple or Redmond do in the UI dept, and in several other places.

I don't know about that, I haven't seen a decent tiling window manager for macOS or Windows. An example data does not make, but I'm sure I could find several more.

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4 hours ago, mr moose said:

I find the concept of "real work" to be valueless in the context of discussing what product is best. All work is real and the denotation of "real work" is arbitrary.  There are clearly cases where linux is better, but that is not based on how real someone considers the work type, it is based on  what the worker wants to use and what is best to use for that specific case.   What makes IT admin more real than engineering design or content creation or modal analysis?  Some "real work" is better on windows and some is better on Linux.   

 

One who manages the banking sectors back end might argue that you need a risc powered mainframe running something akin to Unix in order to be doing "real work".

Exactly.

Which is why I put "real work" in quotes and had an issue with the Radium_Angel saying that GNU/Linux was only suited for Youtube browsing and if you wanted to do real work you used Windows.

Like I said, if you work in IT then chances are you will use GNU/Linux in one way or another. If you work at an office or doing media work then chances are you will use Windows. It doesn't make sense to define one of those as "real work" and the other as something else. The right tool for the right job.

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2 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Exactly.

Which is why I put "real work" in quotes and had an issue with the Radium_Angel saying that GNU/Linux was only suited for Youtube browsing and if you wanted to do real work you used Windows.

Like I said, if you work in IT then chances are you will use GNU/Linux in one way or another. If you work at an office or doing media work then chances are you will use Windows. It doesn't make sense to define one of those as "real work" and the other as something else. The right tool for the right job.

Also the fact that the internet runs on Linux servers kinda defeats the "Windows is for doing real work" point.


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Even if it's improving, what I think is really missing right now in Linux Gaming is decent optimus laptop support, obviously you can't tell someone to edit environment variables just to make it run to a specific graphics card, not to mention that it's not even close to what Windows offers (mainly no dynamic discrete graphics card loading, plus consuming more power)

 

7 hours ago, LAwLz said:

If we're talking about "real work" in IT, then GNU/Linux is king. But I suspect a lot of people who talk about "real work" being done on Windows doesn't actually work with IT. To me, "real work" is programming, running servers, network configuration, IT management, security testing and hardening, and things like that. For those things, GNU/Linux is usually waaaaay more for "real work" than Windows.

I guess Windows domain admin is one of the rare exceptions where you don't need GNU/Linux when you work with IT.

I work in the IT field too and all of my servers run on Linux, including domain controllers,  with a few exceptions, and myself for managing them I feel much more comfortable, I absolutely LOVE to work with Remmina, it's a life saver, but for clients?


Even if they could use Libreoffice most of them just cannot work without Outlook, sadly some of my customers in some cases are still using Access, with strange macros since the 90' that do not work on libreoffice (they barely work on newer windows versions) also in my country the 80% the ERP software (and other government ones for taxes, querying customs information about goods, etc) requires Windows and it's definitely a no-no on Linux (except for a few web-based) excluding some thin clients I personally set up in manufacturing environments all the clients must be running windows


Assuming I want them to use Linux instead, asking customers to buy a Terminal Server (or a virtual machine on their computers) just to use a bunch of important software, considering all the work that is needed, is definitely a waste of money at the current state (also terminal server licenses in W2019 server...)

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32 minutes ago, Chunchunmaru_ said:

Even if they could use Libreoffice most of them just cannot work without Outlook

Has a learning curve and some extra setup, but Kontact Suite has been a great alternative for me personally. Integrates better with the KDE Plasma Desktop.


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16 minutes ago, Nayr438 said:

Has a learning curve and some extra setup, but Kontact Suite has been a great alternative for me personally. Integrates better with the KDE Plasma Desktop.

The problem is that Exchange mail servers are widely used, and Linux mail clients have no decent support to it

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14 hours ago, cybik said:

Say goodbye to your money.

 

https://system76.com/desktops

Jesus, you ain't kiddin.

I bet they'd sell more of the cases by themselves, if they offered those.

 

Thisis getting off topic, but proper "works of art" cases (like the one mentioned here) seem to be few and far between, but ugly black cases are a dime a dozen.


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On 6/17/2020 at 3:20 PM, Drama Lama said:

Games that only use Direct X can run on Windows?

I think that the Vulkan API has mostly caught up to  DirectX. And is certainly light years ahead of Opengl. I don't think the differences between the two are that meaningful.

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15 hours ago, cybik said:

Say goodbye to your money.

 

https://system76.com/desktops

Thanks, actually since the case is open source, I thought about going to a friend of mine with a CNC, but then I saw linus and others reviews and it was said it is loud which was a dealbreaker for me...

 

But thanks and also thanks to SpaceGhostC2C

 

Why must everything pretty on the outside be so ugly on the inside... (or terrible expensive)

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On 6/19/2020 at 5:06 AM, Luscious said:

That's a fair argument except where the learning part ends up costing you valuable time and money. I am already familiar with Windows and yes, OS options are always great. But if the switch takes away $$$ and weeks that might not be recouped, or worse, support problems down the line, it becomes a valid concern if a different operating system really is the right (or best) tool for the job. At the end of the day I just want something that works.

That's why I said its the hard part. Doing it isn't for everyone though.


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1 hour ago, seapriestess said:

That's why I said its the hard part. Doing it isn't for everyone though.

The amusing part of  using *nix is if your hardware is supported out of the box, and the programs you need are in the repository, then it's no more difficult to use than MacOS or Win*, the tricky part comes in if it's not.

 

Heaven help you if your wireless NIC isn't seen by default.

I still have nightmares about dealing with ndiswrapper...


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can someone tell me pls how it should run on linux when the not even run on windows propperly because the copyright protection sshhtttt kicks in and the shout down there Server?

Thanks!


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in a lot of cases, linux kicks windows' ass in terms of gaming.

by the way, i'm not sure why you guys are recommending ubuntu in 2020, manjaro has long since passed it in terms of user friendliness and powerfulness. 

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Installed Pop OS on a 128 ssd and my Steam Library on a 500gb. Only had a issue with changing the permissions on my Steam Library HDD. I have practically zero experience in Linux.  

- Played some TF2, Minecraft, and Prison architect, Everything went smooth.

 

- Only beefs are the taskbar is at the top and I can't seem to just minimize programs. 

 

Everything is still pretty foreign, but it's a great experience and eventually I can see myself using it full time. But for now my Win10 setup is flawless and I'm not looking forward to xfering a million files over yada yada yada. 

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4 minutes ago, onlybuilt4cubanxlinx said:

Installed Pop OS on a 128 ssd and my Steam Library on a 500gb. Only had a issue with changing the permissions on my Steam Library HDD. I have practically zero experience in Linux.  

- Played some TF2, Minecraft, and Prison architect, Everything went smooth.

 

- Only beefs are the taskbar is at the top and I can't seem to just minimize programs. 

 

Everything is still pretty foreign, but it's a great experience and eventually I can see myself using it full time. But for now my Win10 setup is flawless and I'm not looking forward to xfering a million files over yada yada yada. 

One nice thing is that you can customize and/or change your DE to basically whatever you want. You can easily get rid of the taskbar at the top (or move it), or use KDE and customize fucking everything. I dunno. All up to you. I would try a different DE.


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13 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

One nice thing is that you can customize and/or change your DE to basically whatever you want. You can easily get rid of the taskbar at the top (or move it), or use KDE and customize fucking everything. I dunno. All up to you. I would try a different DE.

Holy shit KDE is wild. I'm glad I posted my experience. Thanks for the addition to my setup. 

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2 minutes ago, onlybuilt4cubanxlinx said:

Holy shit KDE is wild. I'm glad I posted my experience. Thanks for the addition to my setup. 

Yeah, take a look at /r/unixporn. See what can be done, and maybe copy someone's setup you like :) 


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I've hopped from mint to ubuntu to other ubuntu flavours since 2017, with a few different pieces of nvidia-intel hardware. No problems for me hardware wise. My wifi or ethernet didn't need setup, my audio worked just fine, even my multiple monitors are detected and working properly out of the box.

And on modern ubuntu based distros, a reasonably up to date and vetted nvidia driver is provided by default.

I've used Linux 99% of the time since 2017 too, only hopping back over to my Win7 (recently Win10) SSD for Space Engineers and virtual reality. (yes they are on entirely different SSDs, much simpler than typical dual booting)

Honestly VR I still need to check out a bit more in Linux. I just use it in Windows at the moment because Alyx didn't launch with Linux support, but has it natively now I think.

Biggest gripe for me is how browsers do not yet have hardware acceleration support, and how mouse settings do not stick properly between sessions without having to set up a script to run at session start to apply them. Other than that I feel more comfortable on Linux than Windows now, once you get to know it the subtle conveniences in KDE and power of the terminal really shine through.

On 6/20/2020 at 9:36 PM, G0dSpeed said:

I think that the Vulkan API has mostly caught up to  DirectX. And is certainly light years ahead of Opengl. I don't think the differences between the two are that meaningful.

 

Vulkan was ahead of DX12 from the get go. Nvidia's RTX changed that briefly but Vulkan is going to be the API with the cross-GPU vendor raytracing support soon.

To be honest the sooner devs ditch DX12 and move to a Vulkan-only production the better off all gamers will be. I think it's odd that Valve launched Alyx with DX11 and only added Vulkan later with the Linux release since Valve themselves were part of the consortium that made the Vulkan specification in the first place.

 

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Also to clear up some things said in this thread prior:

  1. Proton is WINE (winehq.org) which valve has added extra patches to which specifically benefit gaming. WINE translates Windows API calls to equivalent calls in Linux. This is much cheaper on the CPU than emulation and with future kernel updates will become even less expensive still.
  2. Proton uses DXVK (a valve patch) to convert DX9, 10, 11, and (in progress) 12 to Vulkan API calls, which is much more efficient than the old WINE method of converting to OpenGL, also has patches that make (most) games that don't run at native res look nicer in fullscreen mode, patches that improve multi-thread performance and more.
  3. Valve seems to still be working on getting anti-cheats to work through Proton, but this is an insanely complicated topic and will likely take them some time, and might even require a custom kernel to be installed (not difficult)
  4. Proton can be used on non-steam programs. Lutris will let you install proton to use like WINE would be normally.
  5. Given as Windows 10 20.04 seems to be a broken mess for many people, and (1909?) wasn't much better for others, I think it's fair to say that Microsoft's QA is slipping.
  6. Linux desktop does have money involved in it. RedHat sells commercial copies of their Linux OS, and they develop Gnome which is a major desktop environment.
  7. Most of the stuff that doesn't run on Linux is relatively specialist. Maybe you get on with alternatives, maybe you don't, but in the end it's got to be considered on an individual basis, and I don't really think there are THAT many people who use Adobe suite despite how much it's complained about. For drawing, Krita is great, for photographers (not photo manipulators) RawTherapee and GIMP are adequate or even on-par with adobe's stuff (I have a fair few photos of my own to prove that much, and I'm not even all that good at photography).
  8. In a lot of cases, I forget which games I run are using wine and which ones run natively. It's that simple on steam at this point. And getting to a perfectly usable point is as simple now as going through the walk-through ubuntu installer, doing ctrl-alt-t and typing "sudo apt install steam-installer", then opening firefox and downloading the discord .deb from their website, which is the debian/ubuntu equivalent of an MSI installer. It's pancakes honestly.
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