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I9 9900k or i9 10900k cooling need help

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi, so I've been looking at cpu coolers for either a i9 9900k or a i9 10900k.  The coolers I think may work best according to some research are the Noctua D15 and the Corsair H100i v2.  I'm budgeting obo 180 USD.  I don't mind some noise as my main concern is temps, ideally I'd like to keep the cpu 70c or under while running at full load. 

 

Thanks :) 

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13 minutes ago, BNA34 said:

Hi, so I've been looking at cpu coolers for either a i9 9900k or a i9 10900k.  The coolers I think may work best according to some research are the Noctua D15 and the Corsair H100i v2.  I'm budgeting obo 180 USD.  I don't mind some noise as my main concern is temps, ideally I'd like to keep the cpu 70c or under while running at full load. 

 

Thanks :)

I think the noctua cooler is fine, and will keep the CPU under 70, but the corsair is liquid and will cool more, so the corsair will cool the CPU more, but the Noctua will get the job done as well. Does your case have enough space for that noctua d15? I would go with the noctua d15 because it's cheaper if your case supports it, and if you won't do overclocking, but if you will do overclocking and have the money and really want the best cooling, then go with the corsair, but the noctua will still get the job done and keep it below 70, but the corsair will cool maybe 3-6 degrees more?

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2 minutes ago, youngboy said:

I think the noctua cooler is fine, and will keep the CPU under 70, but the corsair is liquid and will cool more, so the corsair will cool the CPU more, but the Noctua will get the job done as well. Does your case have enough space for that noctua d15? I would go with the noctua d15 because it's cheaper if your case supports it, and if you won't do overclocking, but if you will do overclocking and have the money and really want the best cooling, then go with the corsair, but the noctua will still get the job done and keep it below 70, but the corsair will cool maybe 3-6 degrees more?

Thank you :).  I'd definitely do some ocing.  The case I'm looking at does support the D15 but I'd take any extra decrease in temps that I can get

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None of the above.

With a Noctua D15 an i9 9900k at 5ghz all cores will be in the low 70s but if you want to do 5.2 you will need more.

 

Here is the i9 9900k at 5hz all cores running Cinebench R15 with a Noctua D15.

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RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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23 minutes ago, jones177 said:

None of the above.

With a Noctua D15 an i9 9900k at 5ghz all cores will be in the low 70s but if you want to do 5.2 you will need more.

 

Here is the i9 9900k at 5hz all cores running Cinebench R15 with a Noctua D15.

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Oh wow.  I can definitely see that 5.2ghz-5.3ghz requiring more cooling.  What would u recommend for cooling? 

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4 minutes ago, BNA34 said:

Oh wow.  I can definitely see that 5.2ghz-5.3ghz requiring more cooling.  Whag would u recommend for cooling? 

I would use something like a Kraken X73 mainly because I would like to get 2 cores at 5.3 on a i9 10900k.

I think other people have the same idea since they keep on selling out.

I am not in a hurry so I will wait for the market to settle.

 


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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2 hours ago, jones177 said:

I would use something like a Kraken X73 mainly because I would like to get 2 cores at 5.3 on a i9 10900k.

I think other people have the same idea since they keep on selling out.

I am not in a hurry so I will wait for the market to settle.

 

Ah, ya the kraken X73 is indeed sold out.  I'll definitely keep my eye on that though.  I just hope I win the silicon lottery (I really hate that prebinned cpu costs so damn much more n my only real option is to put in money into a slot machine and yank the lever hoping for something good). 

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7 minutes ago, BNA34 said:

Ah, ya the kraken X73 is indeed sold out.  I'll definitely keep my eye on that though.  I just hope I win the silicon lottery (I really hate that prebinned cpu costs so damn much more n my only real option is to put in money into a slot machine and yank the lever hoping for something good). 

I think doing a custom loop is best for water cooling performance. I built the threadripper system my cousin uses for CAD modeling, and I did a custom water loop in that, and that custom loop cools great and has never failed. It cools better than pre built water coolers, but you probably won't want to do a custom loop, considering your budget. For your budget, I think a 360mm radiator will give you best performance cooling, but I don't know if your case supports 360mm radiators. What radiator size does your case support?

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10 minutes ago, youngboy said:

I think doing a custom loop is best for water cooling performance. I built the threadripper system my cousin uses for CAD modeling, and I did a custom water loop in that, and that custom loop cools great and has never failed. It cools better than pre built water coolers, but you probably won't want to do a custom loop, considering your budget. For your budget, I think a 360mm radiator will give you best performance cooling, but I don't know if your case supports 360mm radiators. What radiator size does your case support?

Here: I will give you some recommendations here: 

 

If your case supports 240mm radiators: Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 (minumum cooler you would need for your case)

 

280mm radiator: Corsair H115i Pro

 

360mm radiator: Thermaltake Water 3.0 ARGB

 

Bigger radiator size is better, so get the biggest radiator size your case supports. I recommend the 360mm radiators, but not all cases support them, so get the largest size your case supports (hopefully 360mm). The kraken is a great cooler, but that's out of stock you said, so I would try to get the Thermaltake Water 3.0 ARGB if I were you. Try to get that one if your case supports 360mm radiator

 
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8 hours ago, BNA34 said:

Ah, ya the kraken X73 is indeed sold out.  I'll definitely keep my eye on that though.  I just hope I win the silicon lottery (I really hate that prebinned cpu costs so damn much more n my only real option is to put in money into a slot machine and yank the lever hoping for something good). 

The chances of getting a bad chip is low compared to older generations. Most i9 9900ks can easily overclock to 5hz all cores but it was not that way with the i7 7800k. I expect the new generation to be even better.  

 

I paid an extra $100 for the i7 8086ks over a regular i7 8700k. They have been worth it. In games they perform slightly better than the i9 9900k I tested(built for my Son) and can do slightly better than the new i5 10600k and i7 10700k. Basically two Intel generations with no real gain.

 

My interest with the i9 10900k is its stock performance.

Sometimes there is a Windows/game update that makes my 5ghz all core overclock imposible to use.

Right now it is Space Engineers. The games has pauses that make it unplayable. Removing the overclock fixes it.  This all started with the last major Windows update. So now one of my gaming computers is stock and the other is overclocked. Old game engines like the one used in Space Engineers use only two cores so it will benefit from the features of the i9 10900k stock.

 

I have a i7 8700k and it was not a good overclocker but it did not seem to matter when using a GTX 1080 ti. When it was paired with a RTX 2080 ti it did badly against the i7 8086k. I learned If you have a GPU less than a RTX 2080 ti 5ghz does not seem to matter. I am doing a new build for the i7 8700k but it will have a GTX 1080 ti and be used for video editing.


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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2 hours ago, jones177 said:

The chances of getting a bad chip is low compared to older generations. Most i9 9900ks can easily overclock to 5hz all cores but it was not that way with the i7 7800k. I expect the new generation to be even better.  

 

I paid an extra $100 for the i7 8086ks over a regular i7 8700k. They have been worth it. In games they perform slightly better than the i9 9900k I tested(built for my Son) and can do slightly better than the new i5 10600k and i7 10700k. Basically two Intel generations with no real gain.

 

My interest with the i9 10900k is its stock performance.

Sometimes there is a Windows/game update that makes my 5ghz all core overclock imposible to use.

Right now it is Space Engineers. The games has pauses that make it unplayable. Removing the overclock fixes it.  This all started with the last major Windows update. So now one of my gaming computers is stock and the other is overclocked. Old game engines like the one used in Space Engineers use only two cores so it will benefit from the features of the i9 10900k stock.

 

I have a i7 8700k and it was not a good overclocker but it did not seem to matter when using a GTX 1080 ti. When it was paired with a RTX 2080 ti it did badly against the i7 8086k. I learned If you have a GPU less than a RTX 2080 ti 5ghz does not seem to matter. I am doing a new build for the i7 8700k but it will have a GTX 1080 ti and be used for video editing.

I'm also doing a build for video editing. I am using the Ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1660 

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1 hour ago, youngboy said:

I'm also doing a build for video editing. I am using the Ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1660 

I am only using the i7 8700k and GTX 1080 ti because I have them lying around.

 

I am not a believer of killer rigs for productivity unless it is cost effective and every time I did video editing in the past with 4 cores the computers were waiting for me to get finished, not the other way around. 

For gaming I am a bit of a nut but those less expensive 4 cores with their GTX x70 GPUs paid for the high end gaming stuff.


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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2 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I am only using the i7 8700k and GTX 1080 ti because I have them lying around.

 

I am not a believer of killer rigs for productivity unless it is cost effective and every time I did video editing in the past with 4 cores the computers were waiting for me to get finished, not the other way around. 

For gaming I am a bit of a nut but those less expensive 4 cores with their GTX x70 GPUs paid for the high end gaming stuff.

My editing workstation has a 6 core ryzen 5 2600, paired to a gtx 1660, rocking 16gb ddr4 corsair vengeance, with a 550 watt corsair power supply. I use average video editors, because my system won't support davinic resolve, which is the best editor out there, so I use things like VSDC or Shotcut

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17 hours ago, youngboy said:

my system won't support davinic resolve, which is the best editor out there, so I use things like VSDC or Shotcut

The system I am building is for my Son. He is a vocational trainer and has been tasked with putting classes on line. The laptop that he is to use for the task is totally inadequate so I am building a better setup for him. I don't know what software he will use but I will let him know about the free ones. 


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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5 hours ago, jones177 said:

The system I am building is for my Son. He is a vocational trainer and has been tasked with putting classes on line. The laptop that he is to use for the task is totally inadequate so I am building a better setup for him. I don't know what software he will use but I will let him know about the free ones. 

Well, here are my recommendations for free software based what you told me about your system: i7 8700k and GTX 1080 ti

 

1080p Video Editing: Shotcut or Davinci Resolve

 

4k Video: VSDC or Shotcut or Sony Vegas 

 

How much RAM does your system have? What is your son's skill level in editing and will he edit 1080p or 4k video? Please tell me all this information so I can help you find the best free software for your son that is free and best matches his type of workflow, while still works on your system

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6 hours ago, youngboy said:

Well, here are my recommendations for free software based what you told me about your system: i7 8700k and GTX 1080 ti

 

1080p Video Editing: Shotcut or Davinci Resolve

 

4k Video: VSDC or Shotcut or Sony Vegas 

 

How much RAM does your system have? What is your son's skill level in editing and will he edit 1080p or 4k video? Please tell me all this information so I can help you find the best free software for your son that is free and best matches his type of workflow, while still works on your system

He has never done video editing before. So it will be new.  He is working with a publisher so they will probably tell him what they need.

The computer has 16gbs now. I have a gaming computer that has 32 so if I need it I will get it from that.

 

Thanks.


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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1 hour ago, jones177 said:

He has never done video editing before. So it will be new.  He is working with a publisher so they will probably tell him what they need.

The computer has 16gbs now. I have a gaming computer that has 32 so if I need it I will get it from that.

 

Thanks.

Video editing (All Free)
 

Beginner: VSDC

Intermediate (1-2 years of experience) use Shotcut

Advanced (4-5 years of experience with system upgrade) Get Davinci Resolve

 

Animation:

Beginner - Krita

Advanced (At least 3-4 years of experience) use Blender

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9 hours ago, youngboy said:

Video editing (All Free)
 

Beginner: VSDC

Intermediate (1-2 years of experience) use Shotcut

Advanced (4-5 years of experience with system upgrade) Get Davinci Resolve

 

Animation:

Beginner - Krita

Advanced (At least 3-4 years of experience) use Blender

Thanks for the info.


RIG#1 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair EVGA 1300 G2 | Case: Cooler Master H500M | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB | Monitor: LG 38" 3840 x 1600 75hz


RIG#2 CPU: Intel i7 8086k | Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero | RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR4 3200 | GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 ti FTW3 ULTRA | PSU: Corsair RMx1000W | Case: Cooler Master HAF X | Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 | SSD#1: Crucial MX300 2.5" 1TB | SSD#2: Crucial MX500 2.5" 1TB | Monitor: LG 55" 4k B9 OLED TV  

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On 6/6/2020 at 8:48 PM, youngboy said:

I think doing a custom loop is best for water cooling performance. I built the threadripper system my cousin uses for CAD modeling, and I did a custom water loop in that, and that custom loop cools great and has never failed. It cools better than pre built water coolers, but you probably won't want to do a custom loop, considering your budget. For your budget, I think a 360mm radiator will give you best performance cooling, but I don't know if your case supports 360mm radiators. What radiator size does your case support?

I'm currently looking at the fractal 7 atx case

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2 minutes ago, BNA34 said:

I'm currently looking at the fractal 7 atx case

Ok. I will look into helping you do a custom loop for your system. What will be your budget for this custom loop? (I suggest at least 300 for your situation) There is a custom loop configurator on Corsair's website. I suggest you go check that out. They make a model of what your loop will look inside inside your case, and I really like it. Go check it out and make a loop on there. Great site.

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The last pc I built for myself had a 4th Gen intel cpu (though I've been recently building PC's for people because of the covid 19 crisis).  It had lots of dpc latency issues that I could never quite figure out and ended up selling the thing.  I'm hoping this go around, with my increased experience I'll be able to make a good system with none of my previous issues. 

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3 minutes ago, BNA34 said:

The last pc I built for myself had a 4th Gen intel cpu (though I've been recently building PC's for people because of the covid 19 crisis).  It had lots of dpc latency issues that I could never quite figure out and ended up selling the thing.  I'm hoping this go around, with my increased experience I'll be able to make a good system with none of my previous issues. 

What motherboard do you have?

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1 minute ago, youngboy said:

Ok. I will look into helping you do a custom loop for your system. What will be your budget for this custom loop? (I suggest at least 300 for your situation)

I think Ill go with the kraken X73, that barely clears my budget.  I greatly appreciate your offer, but a custom look doesn't fit my budget and I don't think I can upkeep a custom loop XD (knowing my luck, something may spill and cause me endless amounts of pain, or I'll constantly put off maintenance and as a result something will start growing and corroding the metal in my loop). 

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Just now, BNA34 said:

I think Ill go with the kraken X73, that barely clears my budget.  I greatly appreciate your offer, but a custom loop doesn't fit my budget and I don't think I can upkeep a custom loop XD (knowing my luck, something may spill and cause me endless amounts of pain, or I'll constantly put off maintenance and as a result something will start growing and corroding the metal in my loop). 

 

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Just now, BNA34 said:

I think Ill go with the kraken X73, that barely clears my budget.  I greatly appreciate your offer, but a custom look doesn't fit my budget and I don't think I can upkeep a custom loop XD (knowing my luck, something may spill and cause me endless amounts of pain, or I'll constantly put off maintenance and as a result something will start growing and corroding the metal in my loop). 

Ok no problem. I still say you should go check out their configurator, but the kraken is still a good cooler

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