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Do you like the looks of the cooler?  

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@Alan Mattano

 

Something doesn't add up. I've rotated the top card to be oriented the same way as bottom one (the way you'd fit it into a case) and it seems to be inverted cooler placement on the top card. The lack of PCIe connector bothered me. Because it's on the other side and the cooler is hiding it!

 

Does this mean if you'll go with SLi you'll have to pick asymmetrically designed cards so they fit together better, so they don't suffocate each other's cooling? Just not sure which would go on top and which on the bottom. This is confusing.

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@RejZoR Hi, I think what you mean is that you flip it (using a horizontal mirror).

If real, then this are tow different assembly layout prototypes proposals and maybe not intended to work together or work at all. This is a standard processes any industry. So they can have different hiding fans on the other side with different airflow. This are two different blades.

they are only protos.

It could be that the bottom GPU is blowing hot air to the memory (and CPU). And they whant to test that.

and the top GPU (on the original picture) the one fans is extracting air out from memory and cpu.

 

Lucubration presumption: On sketches could it be reversible. Or original designer intention was reversible and loos that ability in the feasibility production process.

We do not know.

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Good catch @RejZoR. And it's not just an issue in that sense, it would mean the cooler shroud would be raised up from the PCI-E slot in the direction of the CPU cooler. Given clearance issues MB's can have somtimes with larger CPU coolers and the PCI-E slot thats not a good configuration.

 

Conversely if i'm wrong and the bottom card has the PCIE slot on the side closest to the camera that isn't an issue. However it's a bit odd IMO that the name is stamped then on what would effectively be the backplate. Usually it's on the frontplate and/or side most prominently.

 

Also hasn't NVIDIA effectively abandoned SLI?

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17 hours ago, RejZoR said:

@Alan Mattano

 

Something doesn't add up. I've rotated the top card to be oriented the same way as bottom one (the way you'd fit it into a case) and it seems to be inverted cooler placement on the top card. The lack of PCIe connector bothered me. Because it's on the other side and the cooler is hiding it!

 

Does this mean if you'll go with SLi you'll have to pick asymmetrically designed cards so they fit together better, so they don't suffocate each other's cooling? Just not sure which would go on top and which on the bottom. This is confusing.

NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3080_aligned.jpg

This flipping about does display a problem.  With the chassis connector in the same orientation the pcie connector is now on opposite sides for each cooler.
 

 The two coolers can’t be the same.  More indication that there may be something not right about this leak.

 

This may just be a restatement if what you said.


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5 hours ago, Alan Mattano said:

@RejZoR Hi, I think what you mean is that you flip it (using a horizontal mirror).

If real, then this are tow different assembly layout prototypes proposals and maybe not intended to work together or work at all. This is a standard processes any industry. So they can have different hiding fans on the other side with different airflow. This are two different blades.

they are only protos.

It could be that the bottom GPU is blowing hot air to the memory (and CPU). And they whant to test that.

and the top GPU (on the original picture) the one fans is extracting air out from memory and cpu.

 

Lucubration presumption: On sketches could it be reversible. Or original designer intention was reversible and loos that ability in the feasibility production process.

We do not know.

Just noticed different curvature on fan blades and I don't think it's just perspective at work. Also that ring around blades seems to suggest it has to be a directional fan and not one that would have to push air sideways through fins.

4 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Good catch @RejZoR. And it's not just an issue in that sense, it would mean the cooler shroud would be raised up from the PCI-E slot in the direction of the CPU cooler. Given clearance issues MB's can have somtimes with larger CPU coolers and the PCI-E slot thats not a good configuration.

 

Conversely if i'm wrong and the bottom card has the PCIE slot on the side closest to the camera that isn't an issue. However it's a bit odd IMO that the name is stamped then on what would effectively be the backplate. Usually it's on the frontplate and/or side most prominently.

 

Also hasn't NVIDIA effectively abandoned SLI?

NVIDIA abandoned multi-SLi. They still go with dual SLi. It kinda still makes sense as no one can make single GPU faster than two. Even if it doesn't scale perfectly.

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 cooler could cost up to 150 USD alone:

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Posted · Original PosterOP

The edited image by RejZor appears to be a flip (mirror, not rotate), so thanks for adding more confusion to this topic.

 

That render of how it could be constructed, personally I don't think they would need that fat a PCB as it only needs to carry power. There's a fair chance they might use wires instead, which would block the through airflow less.


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i think it looks fine what were the complaints?

I'd be more pissed if it was just another stupid black rectangle like everything else in this world is

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The design is an okay looking one. Looks as if it will be a dust magnet. As long as there's some great 2 slot designs coming from the AIBs ill be fine. My machine is so damn tight that i can only have a 2S GPU, otherwise I'm loosing a USB card or a secondary PCIe M.2. As i only have a mATX machine.


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13 hours ago, porina said:

The edited image by RejZor appears to be a flip (mirror, not rotate), so thanks for adding more confusion to this topic.

 

That render of how it could be constructed, personally I don't think they would need that fat a PCB as it only needs to carry power. There's a fair chance they might use wires instead, which would block the through airflow less.

What confusion? I just rotated it visually so it is positioned the same as the below one (which is in a position of installation into PCIe slot). See the mounting bracket for the rear of the case...

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1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

What confusion? I just rotated it visually so it is positioned the same as the below one (which is in a position of installation into PCIe slot). See the mounting bracket for the rear of the case...

It wasn't rotated, it was mirrored. So it doesn't represent what the original image shows. If you wanted a rotated one, it was already present as the lower GPU in the original image.


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1 minute ago, porina said:

It wasn't rotated, it was mirrored. So it doesn't represent what the original image shows. If you wanted a rotated one, it was already present as the lower GPU in the original image.

I think you're misunderstanding description here. I've rotated a physical card. If image was mirrored or not is entirely irrelevant. Mirroring it doesn't magically change the alignment of the mounting bracket in relation to the backplate, PCB or the cooler. They are all still in the same fixed positions relative to the bracket. I just oriented bracket to the same position as the bottom card.  Which revealed that the cards are not oriented the same way (one has backplate facing up like all the graphic cards and the above one had backplate facing down (or cooler up however you want to call it).

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6 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

I think you're misunderstanding description here. I've rotated a physical card. If image was mirrored or not is entirely irrelevant.

Correct, I don't understand what you are trying to show. The original image, showing the two sides of presumably the same card, makes perfect logical sense. What you are doing, I'm lost.


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9 minutes ago, porina said:

Correct, I don't understand what you are trying to show. The original image, showing the two sides of presumably the same card, makes perfect logical sense. What you are doing, I'm lost.

I think the point that presuming it is the same card might not be right.   It doesn’t automatically mean it’s not.  It’s a fly in the ointment though.  We may not know as much as we think we do about how the thing is put together.


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15 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 cooler could cost up to 150 USD alone:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-cooler-could-cost-up-to-150-usd-alone

 

I just dont see what the fan in the back is connected to cool.

 

Also the way this "interpretation" is made, but if you focus on the white shroud part where it says "geforce rtx" , it seems it physically separates the blue and red , so no air will be out or through the red heat fins ? It just does not make much sense or am I just that stupid, or maybe I am not supposed to think that critically of that image since its just an interpretation ?

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2 minutes ago, Jack_of_all_Trades said:

 

I just dont see what the fan in the back is connected to cool.

 

Also the way this "interpretation" is made, but if you focus on the white shroud part where it says "geforce rtx" , it seems it physically separates the blue and red , so no air will be out or through the red heat fins ? It just does not make much sense or am I just that stupid, or maybe I am not supposed to think that critically of that image since its just an interpretation ?

There seem to be several sorts of suppositions about how these things are put together.  I personally view it as one theory.


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@porina

Actually, you are correct. After inspecting the image again and checking positioning I made a mistake there because I took a shortcut and flipped the image using mirror instead of rotating it enough times. I've corrected the image and now they are actually positioned the same way, top one is just lifted so you see it from the "bottom" side. If you "lay" it down keeping the orientation it would be placed the same. PCB, PCIe connector and backplate (which isn't visible) are now in the correct position/side.

 

Still, when two cards are sandwiched in SLi, one fan will be suffocated (the left one). Right one will either have a pass through from above one or just dragging some air out of those fins above it.

 

Also I hope everyone understands I was rotating the top card so I get it positioned the same as the bottom one on the original image.

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Nvidia has started an internal investigation into the RTX 3080 leak with Foxconn and BYD most likely suspects.
Product and Sales manager was unaware of the design until he saw the leaks.

 

Source (In German): https://www.igorslab.de/exklusive-info-zu-nvidias-ampere-karten-mit-gddr6x-kurzem-pcb-und-einem-extrem-teuren-kuehler-fuer-die-fe-und-die-suche-nach-dem-leak/

 

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Sure they hate leaks, but deep down inside, they love the free hype train this creates. It's literally free PR.

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27 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Sure they hate leaks, but deep down inside, they love the free hype train this creates. It's literally free PR.

True, but remember they care more about AMD than they do about customers.  Navi21 was designed and at least mostly finalized before the ps5 or Scarlett could even be released to developers.  They’re both sitting on the tech waiting for the other to make the move.  This stuff could have been out a year ago.  They’re likely much more worried about what AMD could do with those photos.  They’ve probably already done all sorts of things.  Maybe compared and sized them by measuring the visible screw holes in the case mount, calculated the radiator area, and know how much heat the chip produces.  Probably much more.


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To me the peak design for reference cards was the 10 series/Pascal. They took the beautiful design of the 700/900 series cards and made it look even cooler with all of the sharp lines and angles. I didn't hate the 20 series, it was still a distinctly premium design, I just thought it wasn't quite as cool as the 10 series. This however, oh boy... It's not nearly as bad as the GPUs we had in the prior to 2013 or so (seriously who the hell though slapping a cheap sticker on plastic looked nice) but it is closer to that then the designs we've had as of late. If this is the final design, I'm hoping there will be at least some changes that make it more premium looking because as it stands right now this just looks cheap. 

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26 minutes ago, aaron.exe said:

To me the peak design for reference cards was the 10 series/Pascal. They took the beautiful design of the 700/900 series cards and made it look even cooler with all of the sharp lines and angles. I didn't hate the 20 series, it was still a distinctly premium design, I just thought it wasn't quite as cool as the 10 series. This however, oh boy... It's not nearly as bad as the GPUs we had in the prior to 2013 or so (seriously who the hell though slapping a cheap sticker on plastic looked nice) but it is closer to that then the designs we've had as of late. If this is the final design, I'm hoping there will be at least some changes that make it more premium looking because as it stands right now this just looks cheap. 

 

If the product and sales people haven't seen the design yet then this is likely a very early prototype where the functionality is worked out, then the those people take it and work o making the non-function impacting parts look more cool. Ultimately making the card design visually appealing is kinda one of their jobs. So if thy haven't seen it yet that means the design process hasn't got to that stage yet.

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1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

True, but remember they care more about AMD than they do about customers.  Navi21 was designed and at least mostly finalized before the ps5 or Scarlett could even be released to developers.  They’re both sitting on the tech waiting for the other to make the move.  This stuff could have been out a year ago.  They’re likely much more worried about what AMD could do with those photos.  They’ve probably already done all sorts of things.  Maybe compared and sized them by measuring the visible screw holes in the case mount, calculated the radiator area, and know how much heat the chip produces.  Probably much more.

People still seem to think companies get leaks from public sources like tech websites... They know a lot more about competitors than everyone thinks.

 

Also it's not that NVIDIA got a bit scared of AMD now, they started doing something about it when RX 5700 XT was released. It wasn't an immediate threat, but was a showcase that AMD can pull a well performing card that's not just a low to mid tier thing like RX480 was. RX 5700 XT is a proper high end card from AMD. Not top end but high end still. And I'm pretty certain NVIDIA heard a thing or two about it way before us end users have through various leaks.

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36 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

If the product and sales people haven't seen the design yet then this is likely a very early prototype where the functionality is worked out, then the those people take it and work o making the non-function impacting parts look more cool. Ultimately making the card design visually appealing is kinda one of their jobs. So if thy haven't seen it yet that means the design process hasn't got to that stage yet.

I've only worked in one large company so I don't know if it is representative of others. Typically the sales organisation will be the last to know about new products, as it is their job to sell the current product until new products are ready to replace them. Of course they would need some advanced warning of the new product to prepare sales materials ready for launch.

 

I don't know how secretive nvida are. If I were them, I'd have a small in-house prototype facility for the early design/testing work, so no risks of leaks from external partners early on. Only once ready for mass manufacturing would external partners get the scoop. If the German site info is correct, these devices are already at some level in manufacturing. It implies the basic design is done. There might be ongoing work done to optimise manufacturing efficiency but otherwise it is probably ramping up in production in the near future.

 

Overall I don't think this changes any expectations. Product availability will not be "soon" and still be later in the year. Historically summer is not a popular period for launches, where without the current world situation, people will be on vacation and general activity slows down.


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it definitely looks like a step back in brute cooling performance compared to this gen's coolers but it might be more efficient at lower temperature deltas and it would definitely make sense to have a slimmer, more blower-ish style cooler this gen hearing that the 3k series will probably be one of the most efficient cards in quite a while from nvidia.


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