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The same SketchUp you love, a new way to buy

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SketchUp, the popular 3D design software has now changed its licensing similar to Adobe's approach. Rather than a direct upfront cost to the user, owning the software indefinitely, SketchUp is switching it's licensing to a subscription based service.

 

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We have made the decision to stop selling our Classic Perpetual Licenses and Maintenance & Support renewal plans after November 4, 2020. This change challenges us to earn your business every single day by constantly improving the tools you need and love throughout each year. Challenge: Accepted. In fact, we've been offering subscriptions for about a year, and we’ve proven this method enables us to release new features faster so the suite of SketchUp products improves its vitality every day.

Sketchup claims they made this decision in order to earn your continued use of its software.

 

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If you own a Classic Perpetual License today, you will be able to use the latest version you own in perpetuity. In addition, if you’d like to update your Classic Perpetual License, you can do that until November 4th, 2020.  Please be advised: if you purchase a Classic Perpetual License or renew your Maintenance & Support license prior to November 4, 2020, you will not be able to upgrade and access additional features on that license every year as you have in the past.

Additionally, Sketchup is going out of their way to hurt the Classic Perpetual License by preventing those customers from upgrading in the future. Forcing another subscription down users throats.

 

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From SketchUp’s earliest days as a start-up, our team has always felt it is important to be generous with our products. No kidding: we wrote that down in the original @Last Software company handbook (along with guidelines for composting and office pets). Bottom line: SketchUp was always meant to be accessible to everyone… and it still is. 

With the claim that they intend to make the software more accessible for everyone. This argument might work for the short term. But in the long run, the customer is paying far more for the service. And that's my issue with this decision, rather than having both a subscription and a upfront cost option, they are essentially forcing a subscription. Additionally, this is changing the dynamic of the software itself, as its transitioning away from a product, and into a service.

 

Source: https://blog.sketchup.com/article/same-sketchup-you-love-a-new-way-to-buy


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Subsciprions make sense for services like Netflix etc. Not for computer programs. Go back to one payment licensing and let's hope Microsoft doesn't get any bright ideas.


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1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Scetchup cost money now? I thought it was free and fairly garbage last time I used it in like 2012. 

It's free if you find the old Sketchup Make installer, which is still up on their website lol


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Hahahahahahahhahahaha
Seriously, SketchUp can eat dirt.

 


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But I could just use Blender for free.


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1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

Scetchup cost money now? I thought it was free and fairly garbage last time I used it in like 2012. 

 

29 minutes ago, williamcll said:

But I could just use Blender for free.

I tried using Sketchup when I first bought a 3D printer. I found I couldn't model anything actually useful in it, or even perform stress testing on my material in software. I gave up and Switched to Fusion 360. Is it harder to learn? Absolutely. But the payoff is worth it. Also, Fusion 360 is free for students (or those of us who are still using our old-ass student email from 5 years ago). Another thing I forgot to add.

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I used to think that SketchUp is like the perfect gateway into 3D modelling for kids at school. I guess that idea is no longer viable...

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3 hours ago, NZgamer said:

It's free if you find the old Sketchup Make installer, which is still up on their website lol

2017 is far newer than what I have archived from my school days...


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"In order to earn your continued use of our software, we are now going to charge you a ridiculous amount of money for a monthly subscription, indefinitely, rather than a ridiculous amount of money a single time for indefinite use of our software".

 

Do you want to increase piracy? Because that's how you increase piracy.

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You know the best middle ground between buying once and keeping all future versions and subscription?

A middle ground that would make less people irritated?

 

That middle ground is to have one main version and but fixes pay once and keep forever, but make a new version with with updates every one or two years or whatever, that you again have to pay for to keep forever.

 

Then you could even add a subscription service as another alternative but not the only one.

 

That way those that want to have the latest features will buy every time, but those that don't or don't have enough money can buy one version and keep using it.....


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6 minutes ago, Mihle said:

You know the best middle ground between buying once and keeping all future versions and subscription?

A middle ground that would make less people irritated?

 

That middle ground is to have one main version and but fixes pay once and keep forever, but make a new version with with updates every one or two years or whatever, that you again have to pay for to keep forever.

 

Then you could even add a subscription service as another alternative but not the only one.

 

That way those that want to have the latest features will buy every time, but those that don't or don't have enough money can buy one version and keep using it.....

i like the way bricsys does it: pay once for the program, choose if you want 24/7 customer support for a sub which includes any new yearly version upgrade of the program. Or don't and stick with what you initially paid for the software alone.

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8 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

on one hand, devs need to eat

on the other, if it ensures job security but encourages complacency.....

It's funny you say this. But I believe it was found subscription based models like this actually lead to an increase in piracy and less sales but it looks like more revenue as the people who pay are overpaying 


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1 hour ago, Mihle said:

You know the best middle ground between buying once and keeping all future versions and subscription?

A middle ground that would make less people irritated?

 

That middle ground is to have one main version and but fixes pay once and keep forever, but make a new version with with updates every one or two years or whatever, that you again have to pay for to keep forever.

Alright, but what about if as a developer I make Version 1 of a Program X available as a perpetual license but within the same year I develop and release version 2 and then later on that year I release Version 3?

 

How would you propose customers pay for that and how would you propose customers be able to upgrade to the latest version?

1 hour ago, Mihle said:

That way those that want to have the latest features will buy every time, but those that don't or don't have enough money can buy one version and keep using it.....

The problem with this is that it forces new features to be developed on a rigid basis and not just whenever.


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1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

How would you propose customers pay for that and how would you propose customers be able to upgrade to the latest version

Develop new features that the customer might actually want to make them buy the upgrade, differentiate pricing between just someone buying to upgrade and someone buying for the first time. Old strategies that worked well.


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1 minute ago, suicidalfranco said:

Develop new features that the customer might actually want to make them buy the upgrade, differentiate pricing between just someone buying to upgrade and someone buying for the first time. Old strategies that worked well.

Okay, but surely people in my hypothetical who bought Version 1 would be salty about not getting Version 2 as part of their purchase?


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1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Okay, but surely people in my hypothetical who bought Version 1 would be salty about not getting Version 2 as part of their purchase?

Why?

Plus depends from company to company, like the case of bricsys i mentioned above, if that would happen where within the first year when you purchased of a version, since every licensing option they offer includes 1 year of maintenance, if in that first year a new version gets released, then you are entitled to a free upgrade to the new release even if you decided not to get the yearly maintenance sub.


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1 hour ago, HarryNyquist said:

Blender is FOSS. Use it instead.

how established is blender for CAM purposes? o_o kinda curious, i didn't do enough reading into that

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11 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

on one hand, devs need to eat

on the other, if it ensures job security but encourages complacency.....

Devs indeed needs to eat so now they'll get paid to buy ketchup.

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11 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

on one hand, devs need to eat

on the other, if it ensures job security but encourages complacency.....

They could also try making a compelling product that people actually want to use. Or they could do revisions that you need to purchase to upgrade to. Most pro software that isn't Adobe releases a new version every year or so and you buy that perpetual license. The only people I see using Sketchup are home DIYers with 3D printers, and yeah last time I used it Sketchup was sheer terrible.

 

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

how established is blender for CAM purposes? o_o kinda curious, i didn't do enough reading into that

It's not. There's some plugins, most cost money, but it's a 3D modelling and animation/CG tool, not CAD software. I'm using Solidworks and then importing into Blender as an STL for rendering.


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6 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Okay, but surely people in my hypothetical who bought Version 1 would be salty about not getting Version 2 as part of their purchase?

No, lots of companies do it in the way I said, for example capture one. Or other few other photo editing programs. And it's how Lightroom worked before subscription started if I remember right.

 

Quite a few of them, you get the new version cheaper if you owned last year's version. How much is different from one to another.

 

I am not saying it's the best for the consumer, or the company doing the software, but it's something in between. It's something I could consider, while subscription is a no go for me.


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