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Will More RAM Make your PC Faster?? (2020)

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2 minutes ago, The_russian said:

The video is unlisted...

Maybe its a new perk of being on the forum: early access to videos!


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5 minutes ago, The_russian said:

The video is unlisted...

2 minutes ago, gloop said:

Maybe its a new perk of being on the forum: early access to videos!

'new' perk

 

They have been posting the video on  the forum before it's public for actual years at this point!

But yes, small 'perk'.

Although often times it's also posted on Twitter or Discord before-hand too and sometimes the thread is posted after the video is public.


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Just now, minibois said:

'new' perk

 

They have been posting the video on  the forum before it's public for actual years at this point!

But yes, small 'perk'.

Although often times it's also posted on Twitter or Discord before-hand too and sometimes the thread is posted after the video is public.

Ah ok, I've only seen the threads after the video has already been posted.

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Just now, The_russian said:

Ah ok, I've only seen the threads after the video has already been posted.

They usually post it like  Minute early so nothing really special lol


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well for memory bandwidth or many channel difference you should have used maxmem, accessible from msconfig, boot configuration, advanced settings then setting max memory..

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I don't know about this video, I had to upgrade my ram sticks from 16gb to 32gb 5 years ago, because my game "Rust" was using pagefile of my HDD that caused stuttering which was solved after I added additional 16gb of ram. Even when I'm not playing a game, my pc uses currently 14gb normal usage (after 12 hours behind my computer screenshots below). 

 

Many "gamers" with a 2nd monitor play on one side and use 2nd monitor to watch youtube/twitch. In my case I watch the stream of my friend (and I stream my game) to coordinate with each other on Escape from Tarkov and at other times I simply use music from youtube et cetera (at some cases even play 2 games at same time). The message I want put across that 16GB may work perfectly, especially with SSD and M.2 drive, but you may very well experience downgrade of performance and/or stuttering if you use an HDD. I believe 32GB ram is future proof, unless heavier games like star citizen pop up or whatever may cause more ram usage. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Strategic said:

especially with SSD and M.2 drive,

No there will still be stutters if you start page filing into an SSD as latency is way more than a module where it is specifically made to be accessed immediately without any middle ground 

Where even if it was an SSD you would have to go through a controller etc and latency will be much worse 


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I myself recently upgraded from 32 GB to 64 GB, though mainly do to running multiple applications and running out of memory all the time. (Hitting the page file isn't all that graceful) Though, I have noticed that windows moves stuff into the page file if one just leaves an application in the background "too long". Even if the system memory usage if 10%. (Why it starts paging stuff that early I have no clue why, guess it expects one to suddenly start something huge... But still, can't it wait till one actually gets up to 50-80%?)


So I went into the system settings and turned off the page file. It has its pros and cons of course, but so far every application has been just as responsive as ever, unlike with it were windows stuffs the application out into the page file if one hasn't touched it, so going back to those applications tends to be a jarring experience. (Though, without a page file, maxing out the RAM can be a rather unforgiving experience and can lead to application crashes...)

 

But as Linus states, how much memory one needs is down to what one does with the memory.

I can still remember back to one of my early computers that had a nice 512 MB, and to some people, that is gigantic...
Though, I have also programmed on microcontrollers with as little as 68 bytes of ram.

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I'm running my handy x201 with 8gb - thats ok. On my work laptop where AV, Webex etc. blode is installed & starts automaticly - because IT says... 8gb is at or beyond the limit.

On my "desktop" Thinkpad W520 16GB is fine, mostly unless I do something heavy like having Firefox, Opera, Outlook, large Visio, MS Project open at the same time. Than I'm at 14-full RAM use - normally ~10-12gb.

In a comparaison between my w520 (16GB - 4x DDR3), a NUC8 i3 with 32gb (2x DDR4) and my Testsystem Asus P9D-WS, E3-1231v3, 32GB (4x DDR3 ECC) the w520 feels "slower" but thats bostly the fault of the GPU.

On the working end, I need way more. Multible older servers (full spec - ok, 2x E56** 6c) with 48gb+ and one main host with 768gb is fine. Ok, I'm doing loadtesting for customers on their clusters ath the moment - nothing for "normal" scale.

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If you haven't tested a flight simulator then you can't say you've looked into everything. When will you guys understand that not everybody out there is a video editor, FPS junkie or a tab monster!?

 

A pair of Titan RTX cards connected via nVlink offer up 48GB of VRAM. That would mean that you also need a minimum of 48GB of system RAM in order to avoid any GPU bottlenecks. Flight sims such as X-Plane load up VRAM with as much textures as there is room in VRAM, and especially at 4K with details turned up to 11, it's quite possible to bring even the best gaming system to it's knees.

 

Likewise, if you use multiple displays that will add to the VRAM usage and system RAM demands.

 

Another reason you see 512GB+ and higher among workstation use cases is the VRAM cards like a Quadro 8000 come with - stack four of those in your rig and you're looking at almost 200GB of VRAM. And even if you load up that system RAM with system applications running in the background, multitasking and other overhead, many pro users will also like to allocate a chunk of that 1TB or higher fast system RAM as a dedicated scratch disk for dumping raw files and editing their work. You would think an Optane drive is fast, but no where near as fast as what a RAM DISK can do, so a system with 3TB of RAM can definitely be taken advantage of.

 

As for the page file, you want to make sure you size that C drive big enough to fit that, in addition to your Windows OS install and all your software. Virtual memory is always 2x system memory so 64GB of free space on that C drive would be needed for a system with 32GB of RAM. Don't allocate enough and you have a recipe for prematurely destroying a SSD with excessive r/w operations - I have seen it happen first hand especially on drives that are over 75% full. One trick you can do is reassign that page file to a different physical disk in your system when your C drive is nearing it's capacity. This is especially the case with large RAM setups where your C drive might not even be big enough.

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Photoshop has constantly eaten up over 75% of my 16GB. I would say if you're the kind of person who does that sort of thing on the side, having 32GB would be essential.

 

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9 hours ago, Luscious said:

Don't allocate enough and you have a recipe for prematurely destroying a SSD with excessive r/w operations - I have seen it happen first hand especially on drives that are over 75% full. One trick you can do is reassign that page file to a different physical disk in your system when your C drive is nearing it's capacity. This is especially the case with large RAM setups where your C drive might not even be big enough.

I'm starting to wonder if this is the cause of my "faulty hardware corrupted page" BSODs on my old laptop. I remember my SSD being about 80% full at one point due to Lightroom's settings and such but I've usually cleared them up afterwards. The thing though is that CrystalDiskMark still said that the SSD has had a clean bill of health with plenty of life left in it (25TB total read and 14TB total write). Drive's a 512GB SX8200 Pro that's just barely over a year old at this point, with a 320TBW endurance rating and memory's at 16GB.


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On 6/3/2020 at 11:50 AM, D13H4RD said:

Photoshop has constantly eaten up over 75% of my 16GB. I would say if you're the kind of person who does that sort of thing on the side, having 32GB would be essential.

 

Which is what I've put in my tower.

Image processing is a rather simple task from a processing standpoint, but it applies that to literally millions of pixels over multiple layers... So it quickly eats RAM bandwidth for breakfast. Cache on the other hand isn't really much of a benefit here, since we don't revisit pixels all that often during processing.

 

So image editing is likely one of the worst applications as far as RAM is concerned, it can use tens of GB with ease, and due to the way it processes data, cache isn't a major benefit either...


My prior system started out at 16GB of RAM, then I installed 16 more. And recently I switched to a new system with 64GB. (Not to mention going from dual channel DDR3 at 1600MHz, to quad channel DDR4 at 2666 MHz, so that is about 3.3x more bandwidth, and that is an immensely noticeable difference.)

Though, in my case I likely don't give my computer an easy time since I usually fire up two projects or more in parallel, + the usually ton of browser tabs... And occasional video editing and electronics simulation going in the background too...
And I also disabled the page file in the system settings, since windows have this odd tendency to shuffle stuff into the page file if one hasn't touched an application in a while. (And even with an SSD for the page file, its still noticeably slow. But with a lot of RAM, a page file is more or less not needed.)

Though, the idea of using a higher performance SSD for nothing but a page file has crossed my mind, though would likely be more fun if there were some 16x PCIe RAM drive on the market using old DDR3 modules. (since DDR3 memory is kinda cheap for "some odd reason", especially if one has a bunch of it from one's prior system collecting dust on a shelf. I would happily pay 100$ for such a card if it had 4-6 slots on it. Would be perfect as a low cost high performance scratch disk.)

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31 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

And I also disabled the page file in the system settings, since windows have this odd tendency to shuffle stuff into the page file if one hasn't touched an application in a while. (And even with an SSD for the page file, its still noticeably slow. But with a lot of RAM, a page file is more or less not needed.)

I've actually been debating doing that for my tower. 32GB is still plenty for what I use it for.


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On 6/3/2020 at 1:07 PM, D13H4RD said:

I've actually been debating doing that for my tower. 32GB is still plenty for what I use it for.

Its worth a try at least.
I would though first take a glance at how much the system uses before making such a decision. In one is always under what one has installed, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Though, when I used 32GB myself, I tended to go above with a few GB every now and then....

Though, main reason I turned the page file off were due to Windows' behavior of stuffing things into it, regardless of current memory utilization. (even when using as little as 10% it would still shuffle stuff away.... I can understand when one is up at 60% or 80%, but why do it bellow 50%?! And why can't I decide when it should start paging or not?... So I turned if off.)

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22 minutes ago, Nystemy said:

Though, main reason I turned the page file off were due to Windows' behavior of stuffing things into it, regardless of current memory utilization. (even when using as little as 10% it would still shuffle stuff away.... I can understand when one is up at 60% or 80%, but why do it bellow 50%?! And why can't I decide when it should start paging or not?... So I turned if off.)

Yeah, I was wondering whether that might explain why my old laptop threw bluescreens regarding faulty hardware and corrupted pages.

1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

I'm starting to wonder if this is the cause of my "faulty hardware corrupted page" BSODs on my old laptop. I remember my SSD being about 80% full at one point due to Lightroom's settings and such but I've usually cleared them up afterwards. The thing though is that CrystalDiskMark still said that the SSD has had a clean bill of health with plenty of life left in it (25TB total read and 14TB total write). Drive's a 512GB SX8200 Pro that's just barely over a year old at this point, with a 320TBW endurance rating and memory's at 16GB.

 


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I have occasionally seen up to 26Gb of Ram usage if I am hosting an Arma 3 or DCS session and playing at the same time. 

 

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6 hours ago, Nystemy said:

Though, main reason I turned the page file off were due to Windows' behavior of stuffing things into it, regardless of current memory utilization. (even when using as little as 10% it would still shuffle stuff away.... I can understand when one is up at 60% or 80%, but why do it bellow 50%?! And why can't I decide when it should start paging or not?... So I turned if off.)

Having a page file allows Windows to remove stuff from RAM that isn't actively being used. This makes more RAM available to running applications, in case they need it. Meaning even with a lot of RAM a page file is still an advantage. The only downside would be that once a background application wakes up it may take a little longer, as stuff is moved back from swap into RAM. But the upside is that you have more RAM available for the app you're actively using.


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On 6/3/2020 at 7:38 PM, Eigenvektor said:

Having a page file allows Windows to remove stuff from RAM that isn't actively being used. This makes more RAM available to running applications, in case they need it. Meaning even with a lot of RAM a page file is still an advantage. The only downside would be that once a background application wakes up it may take a little longer, as stuff is moved back from swap into RAM. But the upside is that you have more RAM available for the app you're actively using.

With sufficiently much system memory, it starts to feel silly that the OS pages stuff when one hasn't barely started using the RAM to begin with.
If I could set lower limit to when paging should start, then that would be a different story. But Windows currently pages stuff in a fashion that ends up being more annoying than useful.

In other words, there isn't really much of a reason to start paging memory contents if one still has tens of GB left.
Windows doesn't though give any settings for the paging behavior, other then how much it can page, to what drive(s), and one can also turn it off.
And the least annoying solution for me at least is to just turn it off. (If I could tell it to only page after like 75% memory usage, then that would be wonderful, but that isn't currently an option.)

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11 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

I'm starting to wonder if this is the cause of my "faulty hardware corrupted page" BSODs on my old laptop. I remember my SSD being about 80% full at one point due to Lightroom's settings and such but I've usually cleared them up afterwards. The thing though is that CrystalDiskMark still said that the SSD has had a clean bill of health with plenty of life left in it (25TB total read and 14TB total write). Drive's a 512GB SX8200 Pro that's just barely over a year old at this point, with a 320TBW endurance rating and memory's at 16GB.

This was one of the first gen Toshiba branded 128GB SSD's circa 2008 - these were expensive as hell back then even in those sizes. Machine was kept running 24/7 but the drive was only 128GB so it was stuffed to the max with Windows OS and software. What I should have done was reassign the page file to a 2nd 750GB hard disk I had in the system. All said, the SSD wore out after maybe 5 years. I was not getting any errors or blue screens (machine was completely stable), but simply reading and writing files, booting windows etc... took forever. That fast boot SSD was now a tired old dog. I even ran CDM on it and it was performing many times SLOWER than the hard drive sitting next to it :o

 

The other reason as well for the heavy page swap activity was a "shortage" of RAM. The system topped out at 4GB due to a chipset limitation so Windows was using virtual memory in heavy quantity. Lesson learned - if you cannot add more RAM (or don't install enough) it can wear out a solid state drive fairly quickly. That's something to be careful of with ultrabooks for example that have 8GB RAM soldered and cannot be upgraded like my 2015 Dell XPS 13.

 

Then of course by the time SSD's became cheap enough to swap out for a 256GB SSD the machine it was in became obsolete.

 

Turning off the page file is fine when you have ample RAM, but when you have a RAM shortage and there is no page file to use that's when the blue screens and freezes and errors start and you begin to wonder why things aren't working right. Even on my current system with 32GB RAM and heavy multitasking the 64GB virtual memory still gets used to a degree. You main gain something by turning it off, but keeping it on won't hurt.

 

1. If you think you need 8GB RAM get 16, if you think 16GB is enough go with 32 etc.

2. Ensure you have enough free space on your SSD boot drive or reassign the page file to a 2nd physical disk.

 

Fortunately today you can pick up 12TB and smaller U.2 drives with a 3xDWPD endurance - these are phenomenal for use as a dedicated page file on high-end workstations, more so if you are a power user rocking 1TB+ RAM as a scratch disk.

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So my 64GB build and 32 GB builds where not crazy and excessive (at least now). 😂

 

I'll still suggest 32GB to any gamer that decides to open and do other stuff however. Reality is does anyone ever close everything before they game? I think not, or very few anyways.

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