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Texas Instruments Bans all ASM Programs/ Games on TI-84 Plus CE Calculators.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

TI released a tweet May 25th about the new OS 5.5.1. They conveniently left out the part about ASM no longer being supported and any information about not being able to downgrade. 😐

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Source: TI Education FR

 

That may be annoying, but TI topped it by leaving in ASM programming as one of OS 5.5.1's features. A few members are even questioning the legality of such false advertisement!

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Source: TI-83 Premium CE Specifications: French | English

 

Now for some replies:

14 hours ago, williamcll said:

On one hand, you really shouldn't be playing games on a Ti-84, there's plenty of alternatives available.

On the other, doesn't Ti calculators have an exam lock mode with a physical USB lock as well? 

What issues do you see with playing games on a TI-84? Why would we use alternatives with apps that may: be closed-source, be paid apps, be cluttered with ads, kill battery life, or not exist other than the calculator because it's an original game? As DrDnar puts it:

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... Games are a great way to put math into a fun context and without [the communities] help, there's little chance TI could get the CE to run any non-native-code games at a reasonable speed.

 

You're right about Exam Mode. It is suppose to be only unlocked by plugging the calculator into a computer (or another calculator that's not in Exam Mode) and sending any file to it. Unfortunately, TI's security is so bad there are many holes that allow you to get around it.

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On 5/23/2020 at 12:37 PM, handymanshandle said:

Maybe I'm not all that smart, but can someone explain to me the love for calculators that some people hold?

The ray tracing. Apparently.

On 5/23/2020 at 12:33 PM, GDRRiley said:

to say the least I got no love to for TI. 130$ for a dam graphing calculator

I don't think I ever updated my ti84 CE software does anyone do it? can it be flashed backwards?

My buddy works for TI, and he's pleased as punch any time people think they only make calculators.


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15 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

My buddy works for TI, and he's pleased as punch any time people think they only make calculators.

I know they make a lot more than that but I've got a special hate for that division


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So I asked my buddy who works for TI and he said they'll be working on it soon, and they're very concerned about it.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

@JZStudios I'm not too surprised your friend doesn't know or care much about the calculator division. As you probably know, TI is mainly a semiconductor company, the calculator division is just one of their most profitable divisions.

 

@GDRRiley I'd be careful about hating a whole division. From my understanding, the engineers are great people, it's the higher-ups that are forcing them to implement such absurd restrictions and it's not up to the engineers to determine the calculator's price. 😕

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23 minutes ago, TheLastMillennial said:

@JZStudios I'm not too surprised your friend doesn't know or care much about the calculator division. As you probably know, TI is mainly a semiconductor company, the calculator division is just one of their most profitable divisions.

Not according to him. According to him it's only 5% of their revenue, which I believe. I guess there's the difference between specific divisions, but it's overall worth isn't much.


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He said "most profitable", that's not linked to the amount of business.

 


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6 hours ago, TheLastMillennial said:

@GDRRiley I'd be careful about hating a whole division. From my understanding, the engineers are great people, it's the higher-ups that are forcing them to implement such absurd restrictions and it's not up to the engineers to determine the calculator's price. 😕

last time I checked there hasn't been any change to them in the last 10 years


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Posted · Original PosterOP

If throughout this thread all you thought was 'I don't use ASM I'll just update anyways' I have another warning. Due to the massive amount of extra code TI put into OS 5.5.1 (even with the removal of ASM capabilities) the OS now eats up an additional Archive sector (64KB of Archive storage) if you're upgrading from OS 5.1.5 or higher! If you're upgrading from OS 5.1.1 or below then it will consume two additional archive sectors (128KB of Archive storage)!

 

This means when you update, due to the way variables (Lists, programs, python scripts, y-vars, matrices, etc) are stored, up to the first 128KB of that data will be deleted! People keep data in the Archive because it's not volatile like RAM so it's safe after a RAM reset. This must be annoying for teachers who utilize the python application because now they'll likely have to re-send classroom scripts and other data to every single calculator that updated.

 

For the average user this update means all your variables are reset. For a power user, that means any program, script, important list or statistics variable you have is at risk of being destroyed with no way of recovering once you update. In order to avoid this, you must back up every single file on your calculator to a computer before updating, then resend the backup once the installation is complete. Sadly, most will not see this warning before updating and end up losing potentially hours of work. ☹️

 

Source: TI-Planet: English | French

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In order to summarize all the events that have happened over the past month, I made a video that puts the vast majority of all the information I've gathered from dozens of sources all in one video! There's a lot of information that wasn't covered in this thread so if you want to get caught up, this will certainly get you up to speed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSkN0aMswXs

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How did Texas Instruments fall so deep

Announcing the first transistor radio in the world 

From 

Producing worlds first integrated circuit 

 

Pioneer in making the first home computers

 

Producing The best computer electronics in the world 

 

To 

 

selling overpriced calculators to schools

 

( please correct me if I’m wrong)

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Yes Drama Lama, it's quite sad. I wrote a paper about the TI calculator 'monopoly' in the US a little while ago. Here's a segment from it that adds to what you just said.

 

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Within the first 20 years of Texas Instruments developing its own calculators, there were many technological jumps. Some examples are when it developed a way for the calculator to displays its results on a Liquid Crystal Display rather than printing results on expensive, single use paper. A big breakthrough came when Texas Instruments implemented a way for their calculators to be much thinner and faster by switching to modern-day integrated circuits (“50 Years of Innovation”). Unfortunately, in the past 20 years, the only major development Texas Instruments has changed in their calculators, sold in the United States, is switching to color screens.

“50 Years of Innovation.” Texas Instruments, Texas Instruments, 2019, education.ti.com/html/snapapp/timeline.html.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Drama Lama said:

selling overpriced calculators to schools

 

( please correct me if I’m wrong)

Selling calculators is only a small one of all the things they do...


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3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Selling calculators is only a small one of all the things they do...

Read that after I made the post 

but what are they actually making besides calculators?

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Mostly semiconductors, i.e. components that go in a plethora of products rather than products themselves, hence why calculators are pretty much the only thing a random consumer would see stick out of the water.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments


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