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Need help with a prebuild from ALDI

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi LTT Forum,
Im pretty new to the whole PC building hobby (my previous ones were build by a friend and I wanted to give it a try too), so after a lot of
watching videos and learning, i got a rought Idea of what PC I wanted to get. And then ALDI brings out a Prebuild that has pretty much what I wanted to get.

I would like to ask for three things with this:
1) Is there any bottlenecks in this i should be aware of
2) How easy would it be to upgrade this in the future? Especially the Motherboard since i was planning on spending more to ensure that I dont need to switch it soon (Motherboards still confuse me a lot with whats compatible etc).
3) Does anyone have experience with the Water cooling system  and/or Case used? (I was planning on using air cooling, but I dont have a problem with water cooling)
   My main concern is how long my system will last and be decent, so good thermals are important.

The Specs:

  • Name: MEDION ERAZER X61
  • Mainboard: MSI MPG Z390M Gaming Edge.
  • Prozessor: Intel Core i9 9900K
  • Cooling: AiO Watercooling (Alphacool Eisbaer 120mm)
  • GPU: Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 Super
  • RAM: 32 GB DDR4-RAM (3.200 MHz) by Patriot
  • Storage: 1 TB SSD (PCIe 3.0, M.2), 4 TB HDD
  • PSU: Seasonic Focus GX-750W (750 Watt, modular)
  • Case: In Win 101

I also considered getting the components myself and building it (with some changes, so if you have some suggestions I would be happy to hear them :)
ALDI offers a 3 year warranty and usually has pretty good customer service, which would be a reason to maybe buy it directly, but its also more pricy (parts them selfes seem to be around 2100€, They charge 2599€)

What do you guys think?

Sorry if its dumb, im still trying to learn.
So thanks in advance, hope you all are having a great day! :)

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120mm radiator for a 9900K is awful.

 

An i7 with a better GPU like a 2080 super is a much better combo, if that's an option. the 9900K is just excessive for a gaming PC.


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Well, form the upgradeability standpoint, you can upgrade literally anything, the GPU is easy yo change, but if you want a new CPU you will need to swap motherboard.

The system has no bottlenecks, the cpu is the third best for gaming (after 10900k and 9900ks) and the GPU is almost the best (RTX Titan and Quadro RTX 8000 are in thory better)

This system should not need a CPU upgrade for about 5 years, for me at least.

The GPU, well depends, last year I used an HD 5870 and it could keep 70 FPS in most games at minimum settings. If you want to play at ultra the 2080ti sould last 4 years, maybe?

You computer sould be cooled quite well by that AIO if you don't overclock and your room temperatures are low, a 240 would be better


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CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thanks for the fast Reply!

What kind of radiator/cooling would you recommend?

 

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An i7 with a better GPU like a 2080 super is a much better combo,


Thats actually about what I was planning originally, the i9 is in the prebuild though. Would the i9 be more "future proof" or will it be too old just as fast?
But yeah, that would be a reason why I consider building it myself, but I kinda like having warranty too

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5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

120mm radiator for a 9900K is awful.

 

An i7 with a better GPU like a 2080 super is a much better combo, if that's an option. the 9900K is just excessive for a gaming PC.

but he has a 2080 super


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Just now, mbntr said:

but he has a 2080 super

my brain saw 2080 regular, oops

 

still, 120mm AIO on a 9900K is bad.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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1 minute ago, Prebuild_Noob said:

Thanks for the fast Reply!

What kind of radiator/cooling would you recommend?

 


Thats actually about what I was planning originally, the i9 is in the prebuild though. Would the i9 be more "future proof" or will it be too old just as fast?
But yeah, that would be a reason why I consider building it myself, but I kinda like having warranty too

Corsair H110 is one of the best, does your case support 280mm radiators?


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, mbntr said:

Well, form the upgradeability standpoint, you can upgrade literally anything, the GPU is easy yo change, but if you want a new CPU you will need to swap motherboard.

The system has no bottlenecks, the cpu is the third best for gaming (after 10900k and 9900ks) and the GPU is almost the best (RTX Titan and Quadro RTX 8000 are in thory better)

This system should not need a CPU upgrade for about 5 years, for me at least.

The GPU, well depends, last year I used an HD 5870 and it could keep 70 FPS in most games at minimum settings. If you want to play at ultra the 2080ti sould last 4 years, maybe?

You computer sould be cooled quite well by that AIO if you don't overclock and your room temperatures are low, a 240 would be better

Thanks for your reply! :)
Do you think the motherboard will be enough to handle upgrades down the line? As I said they are probably the component that confuses me the most.

what do you mean by a 240? 240mm radiator?

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Just now, Fasauceome said:

my brain saw 2080 regular, oops

 

still, 120mm AIO on a 9900K is bad.

yeah, it will not thermal throttle but it will burn like in hell, undervolting could help, but a 240mm or a 280 would be a really needed upgrade


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Just now, Prebuild_Noob said:

Thanks for your reply! :)
Do you think the motherboard will be enough to handle upgrades down the line? As I said they are probably the component that confuses me the most.

what do you mean by a 240? 240mm radiator?

A 240mm radiator supports 2x 120mm fans, a 360mm instead 3x 120mm and a 280 will support 2x 140mm.

The cpu you have is basically the best available for Z390 and overall the LGA 1151 socket, unfortunatley to go for the 10900k you would need a Z490 board, it's easy to do but a motherboard will cost about $ 200 


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Medion PCs are pretty good, EXCEPT for the CPU cooling... got 2 friends who bought some, they both had to replace the CPU cooler.

Medion seems to go for "Intel TDP spec" which of course is a waste.

 

Also one had the case fans improperly mounted, All 4 of them were pushing air into the case and there was no exit without a fan, turning the inside into a furnace. After flipping 2 everything was perfect.


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Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB NVMe SSD RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case

 

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Just now, Kilrah said:

Medion PCs are pretty good, EXCEPT for the CPU cooling... got 2 friends who bought some, they both had to replace the CPU cooler.

Medion seems to go for "Intel TDP spec" which of course is a waste.

 

Also one had the case fams poorly mounted, ALL 4 of them were pushing air into the case, and there was no exit without a fan... after flipping 2 everything was perfect.

Intel TDP specs are accurate when the CPU is not in turbo, but most of the time it will not be... (on certain motherboards at least) so in short loads the cpu will exceed the TDP amount by a lot


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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You can't (well you shouldn't), you have to replace the whole AIO.

Doesn't seem like a very interesting deal if you're already paying a few hundred € more plus have to replace the cooler.

 

My friends got their Medions because they were the same price than the components.


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Desktop: i7-5960X 4.4GHz, Noctua NH-D14, ASUS Rampage V, 32GB, RTX2080S, 2TB NVMe SSD, 2x16TB HDD RAID0, Corsair HX1200, Thermaltake Overseer RX1, Samsung 4K curved 49" TV, 23" secondary

Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB NVMe SSD RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Medion PCs are pretty good, EXCEPT for the CPU cooling... got 2 friends who bought some, they both had to replace the CPU cooler.

Medion seems to go for "Intel TDP spec" which of course is a waste.

 

Also one had the case fans improperly mounted, All 4 of them were pushing air into the case and there was no exit without a fan, turning the inside into a furnace. After flipping 2 everything was perfect.

How hard is it to replace the cooler with a 240mm? As I said, ive never worked with watercooling before

If I remember right you are supposed to have a slight overpressure inside, right? So 2 in 2 out or 3 in 1 out would be better? Im still learning :)

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7 minutes ago, Prebuild_Noob said:

It seems so, the Website claims to be compatible with:

1 x 120 mm Fan back/ 120 mm Radiator
2 x 120 mm Fan side/ 240 mm Radiator
3 x 120mm Fan below / 360 mm Radiator

How hard would it be to connect a new Radiator to an AiO?

 

unfortunately you cannot change the radiator of an AIO, you would need custom water cooling and it can get pricey really fast

changing cooler is quite easy

the mounting system will vary slightly form brand to brand


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

You can't (well you shouldn't), you have to replace the whole AIO.

Doesn't seem like a very interesting deal if you're already paying a few hundred € more plus have to replace the cooler.

 

My friends got their Medions because they were the same price than the components.

Oh, so Ill probably end up choosing fitting Air cooling and installing that?
Youre right, that doesnt sound too good.

Im not sure about how much of a price increase it is over the parts themselfs (couldnt find all parts in sale), So Ill have to consider how much having a warranty is worth for me...

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20 minutes ago, Prebuild_Noob said:
  • Cooling: AiO Watercooling (Alphacool Eisbaer 120mm)

A Noctua NH-D15 you will be much better and more durable.

23 minutes ago, Prebuild_Noob said:
  • Case: In Win 101

That case will suffocate your system...

It needs airflow,and lots of it.


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2 minutes ago, Prebuild_Noob said:

Oh, so Ill probably end up choosing fitting Air cooling and installing that?
Youre right, that doesnt sound too good.

Im not sure about how much of a price increase it is over the parts themselfs (couldnt find all parts in sale), So Ill have to consider how much having a warranty is worth for me...

It really depends, only really big air coolers can handle a 9900k, the Noctua NH D15 is one of them, but these are quite clunky and could not fit in your case


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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1 minute ago, Vishera said:

A Noctua NH-D15 you will be much better and more durable.

That case will suffocate your system...

It needs airflow,and lots of it.

Yeah but he can't rebuild the system in a new case, he could not have the knowledge to do that nor the time to learn to do so, and it will be quite expensive ($300), would jus

t change the cooler


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, Vishera said:

A Noctua NH-D15 you will be much better and more durable.

That case will suffocate your system...

It needs airflow,and lots of it.

yeah airflow/cooling was one of The things I was scared of getting screwed by since Prebuilds seem to skimp on them..

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Posted · Original PosterOP
6 minutes ago, mbntr said:

It really depends, only really big air coolers can handle a 9900k, the Noctua NH D15 is one of them, but these are quite clunky and could not fit in your case

The Case claims "Heatsink up to 160mm" is that the total hight with the motherboard included, or would that work with the Noctua NH-D15 someone else mentioned?
I mean If Im gonna have to change it Ill probably just end up planning a bit longer and getting the components myself seperately, but it never hurts to learn :)

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3 minutes ago, Prebuild_Noob said:

The Case claims "Heatsink up to 160mm" is that the total hight with the motherboard included, or would that work with the Noctua NH-D15 someone else mentioned?
I mean If Im gonna have to change it Ill probably just end up planning a bit longer and getting the components myself seperately, but it never hurts to learn :)

Nope, the NH-D15 is 165mm, it's huge, infact the fan only is 150 mm, you could just buy a bigger AIO, the price is the same and it would be supported by your case


Main PC:

CPU: i5-8600k@5.0GHz | GPU 1: GTX 1660@2070MHz | GPU 2: GT 710 | RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3000MHz | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic | PSU: Corsair RM 650i | SSD: Corsair MP510 480GB & Kingston UV400 120GB |  HDD: 2x 2TB WD Black | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro | OS: Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint 

 

Server:

Model: HP DL360e Gen 8 | CPU: 1x Xeon E5-2407 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1333MHz | SSD: Kingston A400 120GB | OS: CentOS 8

 

Laptop:

Model: MacBook Air Late 2010 | CPU: Core 2 Duo L9600 | RAM: 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz | OS: MacOS Catalina 

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