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Upgrading 4690K for multitasking, a lot

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Greetings,

I have recently got a ASUS GEFORCE ROG-STRIX-GTX1660TI-A6G-GAMING 6GB GDDR6 192bit 1800Mhz OC 2xHDMI 2xDP AURA RGB graphics card.

I was on sale, so I just grabbed it after I dumpstered my GTX970 (long story, it was running on 1 fan after the other 2 fans broke even if it was Gigabyte Windforce 3X variant).

My system currently has MSI Z97 PC Mate, 4x4 1600 Mhz G-SKILL DDR3 rams and an i5 4690K CPU with stock cooler.

I didn't really do any OC on the CPU or RAM, given that I am on stock cooler and my motherboard is not really that good for it.

 

After having 1660TI, I get the feeling that my CPU is preventing me to utilize my GPU optimally.

I do multitask a lot, I am almost all the time running Firefox (with Twitch playing 1080p60fps videos often), sometimes an IDE up and running alongside the games I play.

I play WoW, HS, Dota which are perfectly fine with my second monitor has other stuff open, but when I run CoD: Warzone, I pretty much can't use my second monitor even with borderless window is on.

Maybe this game is not very optimized, but I get the feeling that my CPU just struggles, since when I check task manager, I can see it is often spiking to 100% usage and 4 core/4 thread just seem a bit weak in 2020.

My monitors are some LG monitor at 1080p and 75hz and the other is an AOC monitor at 1080p and 60 hz.

My power supply is quite decent I think, it is Seasonic G Series 550 SSR-550RM 550W 80+ Gold ATX12V & EPS12V Semi-Modular

 

I was wondering if I should get a cooler and OC my 4690K or just invest more money and grab Ryzen 5 3600, or the new 3300x/3100 with DDR4 2x8 RAMs with much higher clock speeds (thinking of 1600 > 3000) and maybe a B450 board.

I am a bit conflicted here, because I make like 2000 units of money a month working part-time as a developer (only mentioning that because I could actually use extra muscle on the CPU/RAM too since even if I don't build intense apps, it will definitely help when I am running bunch of tools and IDE simultaneously, using AVD for Android development etc. and multitasking overall is really relevant to me.) and I am thinking of investing 3500(500$ /sigh) units of money on top of that, just to get a system that is as up-to-date as 1660TI.

 

So my question is, would it be worth grabbing a new MOBO (will probably have to go with budget ones like PC Mate, but maybe a bit better) and finally hop onto Ryzen train (which I was looking forward to for years, now that 3rd gen seems quite nice, it seems like a good time).

 

Is it worth waiting for 4th gens? I've heard they will be mostly big for mobile and Ryzen 3xxx CPUs seems perfect for my needs.

Long story short, what would you do if you were me? I know I added in so many parameters, especially given that price/value comparisons won't make much sense since I'm from Turkey, but I thought I could still have some input.

 

Anybody sticking with 4690K? Even if people delid/OC that CPU, I am sure they are on much better motherboard and coolers.

 

I could slowly sell my old CPU/Mobo/RAMs and still get some of the budget covered over time, but I wanted to get some opinions first.

 

Sorry for lengthy post, I did some searching but my question looked too specific, I decided to start a new thread.

Thanks in advance, take care!

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2 minutes ago, Kynik said:

Greetings,

I have recently got a ASUS GEFORCE ROG-STRIX-GTX1660TI-A6G-GAMING 6GB GDDR6 192bit 1800Mhz OC 2xHDMI 2xDP AURA RGB graphics card.

I was on sale, so I just grabbed it after I dumpstered my GTX970 (long story, it was running on 1 fan after the other 2 fans broke even if it was Gigabyte Windforce 3X variant).

My system currently has MSI Z97 PC Mate, 4x4 1600 Mhz G-SKILL DDR3 rams and an i5 4690K CPU with stock cooler.

I didn't really do any OC on the CPU or RAM, given that I am on stock cooler and my motherboard is not really that good for it.

 

After having 1660TI, I get the feeling that my CPU is preventing me to utilize my GPU optimally.

I do multitask a lot, I am almost all the time running Firefox (with Twitch playing 1080p60fps videos often), sometimes an IDE up and running alongside the games I play.

I play WoW, HS, Dota which are perfectly fine with my second monitor has other stuff open, but when I run CoD: Warzone, I pretty much can't use my second monitor even with borderless window is on.

Maybe this game is not very optimized, but I get the feeling that my CPU just struggles, since when I check task manager, I can see it is often spiking to 100% usage and 4 core/4 thread just seem a bit weak in 2020.

My monitors are some LG monitor at 1080p and 75hz and the other is an AOC monitor at 1080p and 60 hz.

My power supply is quite decent I think, it is Seasonic G Series 550 SSR-550RM 550W 80+ Gold ATX12V & EPS12V Semi-Modular

 

I was wondering if I should get a cooler and OC my 4690K or just invest more money and grab Ryzen 5 3600, or the new 3300x/3100 with DDR4 2x8 RAMs with much higher clock speeds (thinking of 1600 > 3000) and maybe a B450 board.

I am a bit conflicted here, because I make like 2000 units of money a month working part-time as a developer (only mentioning that because I could actually use extra muscle on the CPU/RAM too since even if I don't build intense apps, it will definitely help when I am running bunch of tools and IDE simultaneously, using AVD for Android development etc. and multitasking overall is really relevant to me.) and I am thinking of investing 3500(500$ /sigh) units of money on top of that, just to get a system that is as up-to-date as 1660TI.

 

So my question is, would it be worth grabbing a new MOBO (will probably have to go with budget ones like PC Mate, but maybe a bit better) and finally hop onto Ryzen train (which I was looking forward to for years, now that 3rd gen seems quite nice, it seems like a good time).

 

Is it worth waiting for 4th gens? I've heard they will be mostly big for mobile and Ryzen 3xxx CPUs seems perfect for my needs.

Long story short, what would you do if you were me? I know I added in so many parameters, especially given that price/value comparisons won't make much sense since I'm from Turkey, but I thought I could still have some input.

 

Anybody sticking with 4690K? Even if people delid/OC that CPU, I am sure they are on much better motherboard and coolers.

 

I could slowly sell my old CPU/Mobo/RAMs and still get some of the budget covered over time, but I wanted to get some opinions first.

 

Sorry for lengthy post, I did some searching but my question looked too specific, I decided to start a new thread.

Thanks in advance, take care!

Honestly I recommend waiting a bit not just for zen 3 but for the new Intel cpu's (forgot the name as there were a billion other names for them ) 

For the most part zen 3 will be like zen + so a bit improved ipc count maybe a batter imc or a better chache and ccx layout but nothing too huge same for Intel and I think haswell is still half decent till today so I recommend waiting and if you don't like what both teams has to offer you can get previous gen zen 2 and it'll be cheaper so either way you'll win


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That seems reasonable. While intel doesn't really cut prices, AMD was more generous with the prices when new ones are released. So even if 4xxx Ryzen (I suppose zen 3) are not offering decent budget CPU options, I could still get 3600/3600x maybe 3700x instead of 3300x/3100 cheaper, hopefully. At the same time I have like no hope for intel tbh, they were and probably always going to be more expensive for relative performance. Haswell was an exception probably, following generations I didn't really see a point upgrading. Not to mention socket change every other generation. Anyways, going off-topic here a bit :)

 

I'll see what others think still, but your advice seems reasonable. I sure as hell can live with not playing CoD: Warzone AND having a stream open on my second browser, I can't focus well on either anyways.

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4 minutes ago, Kynik said:

I'll see what others think still, but your advice seems reasonable. I sure as hell can live with not playing CoD: Warzone AND having a stream open on my second browser, I can't focus well on either anyways.

Yep pretty much my story aswell lmao 


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Bump: I decided to just upgrade. I was wondering opinions regarding 3100, 3300x, 3600 or 3600x.

I'm also riddled with the motherboard selection. I don't want to go cheap on mobo.

For the cooler, what do you recommend? I'll get an air cooler if I get one for sure.

Lastly, I was wondering what kinda RAM should I get. I'll go for 2x8 gb with 3000mhz clock speeds, but I am clueless regarding the rest.

Thanks in advance :)

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1 minute ago, Kynik said:

Bump: I decided to just upgrade. I was wondering opinions regarding 3100, 3300x, 3600 or 3600x.

I'm also riddled with the motherboard selection. I don't want to go cheap on mobo.

Also for the cooler, what do you recommend? I'll get an air cooler if I get one for sure.

Lastly, I was wondering what kinda RAM should I get. I'll go for 2x8 gb with 3000mhz clock speeds, but I am clueless regarding the rest.

Thanks in advance :)

What budget do you have in mind ?


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You will see massive performance gains with a 1700x, 2700x, 3700x. 16 threads, and a lot more per core IPC than your 4690K. 

 

I had a 4690K. Damn chip was fast as hell for it's time.

 

 


 

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I'll have 3500TL (Turkish Liras) which is weird when you compare to $ due to fucked up currency conversion.

Note that one reason I wanna upgrade now is that, even if prices may go down with new releases, economy is going bad.

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So let me put some prices:

3600x is 1650-1700 TL (250~ $)

3600 is 1350-1400 TL (200~ $)

3300x is 1100 TL (150~ $)

3100 is 950 TL (120~ $)

2x8GB is around 800 TL (110~ $)

For motherboards there are way too many options but I am sure they are comparable to CPU prices.

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About 1700x or 2700x I know that they are still a decent upgrades but I kinda feel skeptical about Zen 1 compared to Zen 2 mate ;/

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2 minutes ago, Kynik said:

 

 

About 1700x or 2700x I know that they are still a decent upgrades but I kinda feel skeptical about Zen 1 compared to Zen 2 mate ;/

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Was aiming at the productivity side of the Zen 1700x which still has better per core IPC over your current chip. examples my friend. 


 

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10 minutes ago, Kynik said:

So let me put some prices:

3600x is 1650-1700 TL (250~ $)

3600 is 1350-1400 TL (200~ $)

3300x is 1100 TL (150~ $)

3100 is 950 TL (120~ $)

2x8GB is around 800 TL (110~ $)

For motherboards there are way too many options but I am sure they are comparable to CPU prices.

I mean I can decide but I really need to see mobo prices

I agree with @ShrimpBrime that zen+ is definitely still decent today and it's imc isn't actually the worse thing and should be able to get to 3000 maybe even 3200 but if you want to know how they stack up 

A 2700x is about the same as a 3600 interms of raw performance as they have similar ipc but the 3600 has a better imc but on the other hand the 2700x has the extra 2 hyper threaded cores but it depends on what they are priced at 


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2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I mean I can decide but I really need to see mobo prices

I agree with @ShrimpBrime that zen+ is definitely still decent today and it's imc isn't actually the worse thing and should be able to get to 3000 maybe even 3200 but if you want to know how they stack up 

A 2700x is about the same as a 3600 interms of raw performance as they have similar ipc but the 3600 has a better imc but on the other hand the 2700x has the extra 2 hyper threaded cores but it depends on what they are priced at 

3600X lacks threads for productivity. It cannot out multi-task a 2700x even at max OC. 

 

However if a 3600X is all budget allows, then it's a great contender. Personally, I'd try for the 3700x


 

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4 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

I mean I can decide but I really need to see mobo prices

I agree with @ShrimpBrime that zen+ is definitely still decent today and it's imc isn't actually the worse thing and should be able to get to 3000 maybe even 3200 but if you want to know how they stack up 

A 2700x is about the same as a 3600 interms of raw performance as they have similar ipc but the 3600 has a better imc but on the other hand the 2700x has the extra 2 hyper threaded cores but it depends on what they are priced at 

Here are some motherboards:

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Beyond these, there are x570 ones which I think too pricey:

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4 minutes ago, Kynik said:

Here are some motherboards:

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Beyond these, there are x570 ones which I think too pricey:

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Out of the b series the tomahawk is the best one if you can afford it 


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11 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

3600X lacks threads for productivity. It cannot out multi-task a 2700x even at max OC. 

 

However if a 3600X is all budget allows, then it's a great contender. Personally, I'd try for the 3700x

I could try for 3700x (it is 2500 TL) but it would leave me with 1000 which would force a low-end mobo and 8 gigs of RAM.

8 core 16t is really tempting, so maybe I should consider 2700x.

I don't know much about clock speed thing with older Ryzens, but I suppose as long as I get 3000 mhz rams I should be safe, right?

2700x is 1600 TL btw which leaves more budget for cooler/mobo/RAM

 

Edit: 2700x is not really available, cheapest one I find is 2500 which is same price as 3700x lol

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1 minute ago, Kynik said:

I could try for 3700x (it is 2500 TL) but it would leave me with 1000 which would force a low-end mobo and 8 gigs of RAM.

8 core 16t is really tempting, so maybe I should consider 2700x.

I don't know much about clock speed thing with older Ryzens, but I suppose as long as I get 3000 mhz rams I should be safe, right?

2700x is 1600 TL btw which leaves more budget for cooler/mobo/RAM

For ram with zen + where cahce latency is even more of a problem i recommend 3200 and above if you can 


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Just now, TofuHaroto said:

For ram with zen + where cahce latency is even more of a problem i recommend 3200 and above if you can 

And I recommend going for the 2700x for a sweet spot of performance and multi tasking


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Just now, Kynik said:

I could try for 3700x (it is 2500 TL) but it would leave me with 1000 which would force a low-end mobo and 8 gigs of RAM.

8 core 16t is really tempting, so maybe I should consider 2700x.

I don't know much about clock speed thing with older Ryzens, but I suppose as long as I get 3000 mhz rams I should be safe, right?

2700x is 1600 TL btw which leaves more budget for cooler/mobo/RAM

You want 16gb for sure.

2700X has a max boost of 4350mhz.

Depending on temps, auto all core boosts are 3.9ghz.

IPC wise maybe 10(ish)% slower than a 3700X depending on the tasks.

 

Definitely check out the motherboard tier list to handle the 2700x.

 

 


 

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3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Definitely check out the motherboard tier list to handle the 2700x.

I think the tomahawk with it's 6 + 2 phase power design should handle the 2700x no problem ;)


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I've made some more research on various websites. 2700x is unfortunately not available on a reasonable price.

So currently I am thinking 3600 with tomahawk and following rams:

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I suppose it doesn't matter if I just order 2 of those above or just one of the kits below:

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1 minute ago, Kynik said:

I've made some more research on various websites. 2700x is unfortunately not available ona reasonable price.

So currently I am thinking 3600 with tomahawk and following rams:

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I suppose it doesn't matter if I just order 2 of those above or just one of the kits below:

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Technically the trident z is the best but the ripjaws V is a pretty damn good budget kit

Edit : I just realized that this is single channel 

Are you planning on buying a second stick if you went with these 1x8 gig kits?

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