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[Update: Reinforcement has arrived] GPU sag is the least of your worries - Asetek announces PCIe mounted radiator

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4 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

facepalm

 

Please don't buy Dell products, they aren't worth what they charge. If you want a reason, try to find the Dell training video on how to apply thermal paste to a CPU.

 

Basically, according to Dell, for something the size of an LGA1150 CPU, you want to take an entire tube of thermal paste to it, in a spiraling pattern.

 

That's right, an entire tube, in a spiral. That's an official Dell training guide. Or at least it was 2 years ago.

More facepalm.  How old is 1150? 15 years?


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15 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

They did used to be a thing and are how motherboards were originally designed.  They make for computers what take a heckuva lotta desk space though.  No one wants to build computers like that.

They don't really take up that much desk space. About double the footprint of a normal mid-tower.

I don't just want to build computers like that, I will not tolerate anything less for my personal rig.

EDIT: You also don't need to put it on your desk. You'd be surprised where you can fit a neat little cube.


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2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

More facepalm.  How old is 1150? 15 years?

Like I said, the video was in use at least 2 years ago.


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3 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

I do know that the school my Mum works at has started switching from Dell to HP machines, due to the plethora of hardware issues they've been having. At the same time though the school also refuses to allow teachers to connect their own laptops (or Windows tablets) that actually work more than 50% of the time (and in a lot of cases, are more secure).

School I.T. are usually handicapped by not being able to set policy themselves, at least the ones I've worked with. Usually the policy decisions are made by the idiotic school board who know nothing about technology, and pick the shiniest thing they see that meets their budget requirements.

 

Far too often that results in chromebooks, which are honestly the biggest piles of garbage imaginable. They're a pain to administrate and have little to no actual use beyond general browsing and data entry. Not to mention being so cheaply made that they'll end up spending 3x what they expected in repairs. Although that can vary a bit if the schools actually enforce policy and charge the parents for breakages. Some are afraid of being sued for some reason, despite requiring the parents to sign an agreement, wherein the parents agree to pay for all breakages past the first one, at the beginning of each school year.

 

Personally I like Lenovo machines. They're reasonably durable, can have good specs, and unlike HP, Lenovo doesn't constantly stand in the way of repairs.


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idk about you guys but I rather have my PCIe slot for... you know... PCIe things and not a freaking radiator


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6 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

idk about you guys but I rather have my PCIe slot for... you know... PCIe things and not a freaking radiator

I meannnnnnn, I've got two free slots in my case that are going to be unused, I think it'd be nifty if it was priced right.


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6 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

idk about you guys but I rather have my PCIe slot for... you know... PCIe things and not a freaking radiator

If you have a motherboard which gimps itself to work with m.2 SSD, and you happen to have a couple installed...you'd probably have some that you can't use anyway, so might as well put something in the slots.
 

6 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I meannnnnnn, I've got two free slots in my case that are going to be unused, I think it'd be nifty if it was priced right.

If I had a motherboard with a CPU pcie x16/x8 (hell even x4 - my 1070 is broken), I'd be able to make use of the empty spaces 8 through 10 that my case otherwise will probably never have filled.


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On 5/15/2020 at 9:23 PM, GOTSpectrum said:

My question is, not about the product, but why aren't you listed as an industry affiliate on the forum? 

It's being taken care of right now ;) 


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Im kinda hyped for this, like if they let other oems make their own this could be great, very handy and not that intimidating for newer builders. Give it some flashy RGB and some acrylic and such and we are talking

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17 hours ago, HomeBoi said:

Im kinda hyped for this, like if they let other oems make their own this could be great, very handy and not that intimidating for newer builders. Give it some flashy RGB and some acrylic and such and we are talking

That's wonderful to hear!

 

We are absolutely listening to our partners and we have a few ideas for some pretty cool ID as well.


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Hi Everyone,

 

As I am seeing a lot of comments about how this is "just" an iteration on/derivative of something similar done years ago I would like to offer some additional insides into the technology that we've actually used in our Rad Card, for those interested :)

 

I've had a chat with one of our Senior Specialists in R&D on the matter, and he helped by clarifying a few things :)

 

We believe there's a major difference between earlier "similar" technology and ours in the construction of how we dissapate the heat.

Allow me to elaborate. 

The older coolers that are referenced have used single pass radiators, which wouldn't be able to stand up to the performance offered by current (or the last few) gen technology. At least not with desirable performance. What we've done on the Rad Card is implement a multi-pass, counter-cross flow radiator into the unit, which allows for much better performance, than other solutions.

 

I'd be happy to answer further questions, of course :) 


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This seems like a bad idea, since the heat from the radiator would end up inside the case? So it depends on very good airflow in the case. In more traditional radiator design, the air is pushed straight out of the case.

 

I guess this is the case with open design air coolers as well, but I always thought one of the benefits of water cooling was that hot air doesnt go into the case..

 

Further, I dont understand why a horizontal orientation of motherboards is not more common these days. Like my Silverstone Sugo 13 ITX case, my GPU just sits vertically, resting comfortably on the motherboard. No sag, no nothing. With the size of GPU's these days, I don't understand why tower cases with vertical motherboards are still the most common design. It also looks cooler looking at a vertical GPU.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, maartendc said:

This seems like a bad idea, since the heat from the radiator would end up inside the case? So it depends on very good airflow in the case. In more traditional radiator design, the air is pushed straight out of the case.

 

I guess this is the case with open design air coolers as well, but I always thought one of the benefits of water cooling was that hot air doesnt go into the case..

 

Further, I dont understand why a horizontal orientation of motherboards is not more common these days. Like my Silverstone Sugo 13 ITX case, my GPU just sits vertically, resting comfortably on the motherboard. No sag, no nothing. With the size of GPU's these days, I don't understand why tower cases with vertical motherboards are still the most common design. It also looks cooler looking at a vertical GPU.

 

 

It would be venting the heat out of the expansion slots, similar to blower style graphics cards.

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Just now, Dylanc1500 said:

It would be venting the heat out of the expansion slots, similar to blower style graphics cards.

Oh I see...

 

I would think that would hinder performance significantly, because of the small exhaust area. You couldnt push a large volume of air through the rad without a lot of noise.

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2 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Oh I see...

 

I would think that would hinder performance significantly, because of the small exhaust area. You couldnt push a large volume of air through the rad without a lot of noise.

Well I'll leave this gentleman to address this directly as he is an affiliate.

 

On 5/14/2020 at 11:17 AM, AsetekDennis said:

Initially it's Alienware unique. However, we'll of course listen to AiBs and if we scope an interest in it as a stand-a-lone for DIY, we could probably figure out a way to make that happen (though it would require some sort of limitation, like FE only or similar).

 

Dell / Alienware's testing has showed them the following:

Up to 69% reduction in noise

Up to 20% temp drop

Up to 6% performance increase.

 

More info: https://eu.alienwarearena.com/experiences/alienware-aurora-r11

 

Speaking to the effectiveness, we've found, in-house, that it roughly compares to a 120mm in an open-air setup. Now this all comes down to fan-speeds, test suites etc.

So to be frank, it's hard to give a one-size-fits-all blanket style answer :) 

 

The RPM blower can scale as you (or the board) wants it to. I believe it ranges from something like a few hundred RPM to around 5000 at the top (which I haven't tried it at... because... 5000 RPM). It's practically not necessary but allows it to run, reasonably, quiet at lower RPM and for someone who just doesn't care about noise levels to go mental 😛 

 

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16 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Oh I see...

 

I would think that would hinder performance significantly, because of the small exhaust area. You couldnt push a large volume of air through the rad without a lot of noise.

I'll just allow myself to quote my last post as well :) 

Feel free to ask more questions - happy to answer :) 

55 minutes ago, AsetekDennis said:

Hi Everyone,

 

As I am seeing a lot of comments about how this is "just" an iteration on/derivative of something similar done years ago I would like to offer some additional insides into the technology that we've actually used in our Rad Card, for those interested :)

 

I've had a chat with one of our Senior Specialists in R&D on the matter, and he helped by clarifying a few things :)

 

We believe there's a major difference between earlier "similar" technology and ours in the construction of how we dissapate the heat.

Allow me to elaborate. 

The older coolers that are referenced have used single pass radiators, which wouldn't be able to stand up to the performance offered by current (or the last few) gen technology. At least not with desirable performance. What we've done on the Rad Card is implement a multi-pass, counter-cross flow radiator into the unit, which allows for much better performance, than other solutions.

 

I'd be happy to answer further questions, of course :) 

 


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1 hour ago, AsetekDennis said:

I'll just allow myself to quote my last post as well :) 

Feel free to ask more questions - happy to answer :) 

 

Nice to get response directly from the manufacturer...

 

...but you'll have to forgive me if I remain skeptical until I see some independent reviews with performance numbers.

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46 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Nice to get response directly from the manufacturer...

 

...but you'll have to forgive me if I remain skeptical until I see some independent reviews with performance numbers.

Great to hear. I will try my best to be as active as possible :)

 

I absolutely get it. I'm an enthusiast myself ;) 

I've tried to emphasize it a few times. The numbers are relative performance differences in an Aurora chassis, between their standard blowerstyle GPU and the same GPU with our Rad Card solution. All testing was done by Alienware. 
I'll be getting a few samples next week, and I will try to allocate 2 of them to go to media :) 


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9 minutes ago, AsetekDennis said:

I absolutely get it. I'm an enthusiast myself ;) 

I've tried to emphasize it a few times. The numbers are relative performance differences in an Aurora chassis, between their standard blowerstyle GPU and the same GPU with our Rad Card solution. All testing was done by Alienware. 
I'll be getting a few samples next week, and I will try to allocate 2 of them to go to media :) 

Will it ever be available to the public, if so when. Right now its for OEM's only


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2 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Well I'll leave this gentleman to address this directly as he is an affiliate.

 

 

TBH, it doesn't seem exactly difficult to get better noise and thermal results than the traditional blower cooler.


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45 minutes ago, Windows9 said:

Will it ever be available to the public, if so when. Right now its for OEM's only

We're monitoring the potential demand for such a solution right now, and if we feel there's adequate demand, we'll definitely bring it to market for DIY as well :) 

35 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

TBH, it doesn't seem exactly difficult to get better noise and thermal results than the traditional blower cooler.

That's not entirely wrong. However, form-factors can be quite limiting, and so can cases. The difficult part is achieving all parameters (better thermals, better acoustics, better performance) while still achieving a form factor that offers the most possible versatility and highest ease of use :) 


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