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I'm told my cpu would be a bottleneck to a gpu upgrade, so I'm thinking of possibly spending the $300US on a new CPU/Mobo/Ram combo.

 

I'm using:
i5 4690k

16gb Ram
gtx 970

 

I'm not looking to spend a fortune, somewhere around $300US ish.

I'm looking at maybe something like:
 

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($85.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($77.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $163.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I have no  idea what CPU to use.  I watch some Paul's Hardware videos as well as Linus and Paul was saying that the new Ryzen refresh 1600 was good.

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Ryzen 2600x may be viable in that budget.

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Ryzen 2600x may be viable in that budget.

 

 

1600 AF is the best yoi can do. Great price too.

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600/p/274-003V-00043

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25 minutes ago, GreyestGoat said:

Ryzen 2600x may be viable in that budget.

 

 

1600 AF is the best yoi can do. Great price too.

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600/p/274-003V-00043

1600AF combo is only viable if you're throwing in a better CPU soonish.  The 4690K isn't that bad, and while the 1600AF is an upgrade, I wouldn't upgrade the whole platform for that much increase.

 

OC the 4690K and save up til you can go to the 3600.  

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

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- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

- Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

- MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

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5 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

1600AF combo is only viable if you're throwing in a better CPU soonish.  The 4690K isn't that bad, and while the 1600AF is an upgrade, I wouldn't upgrade the whole platform for that much increase.

 

OC the 4690K and save up til you can go to the 3600.  

I'm bad at cpus.  How much of an upgrade is the 3600x over the normal 3600?

 

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So this would be worth spending the extra $30 I assume?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($85.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($76.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $337.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 02:15 EDT-0400

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4 hours ago, tlmills82 said:

So this would be worth spending the extra $30 I assume?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($85.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($76.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $337.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 02:15 EDT-0400

That is worth it.

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7 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

1600AF combo is only viable if you're throwing in a better CPU soonish.  The 4690K isn't that bad, and while the 1600AF is an upgrade, I wouldn't upgrade the whole platform for that much increase.

 

OC the 4690K and save up til you can go to the 3600.  

6 cores and 12 threads is still better than 4 cores even with Haswell IPC.

 

I did an upgrade for my father with just the normal 1600 from a 3570K at 4.2ghz, he gained quite a bit where it mattered and his 1600 does 3.9ghz on standard voltages.

 

The 3600 is objectively a superior CPU but i was thinking of his budget and the 1600 would be an upgrade overall.

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1 hour ago, GreyestGoat said:

6 cores and 12 threads is still better than 4 cores even with Haswell IPC.

 

I did an upgrade for my father with just the normal 1600 from a 3570K at 4.2ghz, he gained quite a bit where it mattered and his 1600 does 3.9ghz on standard voltages.

 

The 3600 is objectively a superior CPU but i was thinking of his budget and the 1600 would be an upgrade overall.

I agree it's an upgrade, but not worth switching a new platform.  The 4690K is a solid PC and more than 4 cores isn't necessary yet.  Still performs very well.

 

He gained quite a bit where it mattered?  What did your father use his machine for and what qualitative increases did he get?

 

Cores cores cores is a fantastic marketing mantra, but for a $300 spend... I would want a much larger increase.  All the way to the 3600, and not the 3600X.

 

 I would look at the SSD situation as well as the GPU/monitor side of things.

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx : AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

- Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

- MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

I agree it's an upgrade, but not worth switching a new platform.  The 4690K is a solid PC and more than 4 cores isn't necessary yet.  Still performs very well.

 

He gained quite a bit where it mattered?  What did your father use his machine for and what qualitative increases did he get?

 

Cores cores cores is a fantastic marketing mantra, but for a $300 spend... I would want a much larger increase.  All the way to the 3600, and not the 3600X.

 

 I would look at the SSD situation as well as the GPU/monitor side of things.

Every new game he played increased in both FPS and stability of frame rate. He runs a R9 390X MSI Gaming.

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6 minutes ago, GreyestGoat said:

Every new game he played increased in both FPS and stability of frame rate. He runs a R9 390X MSI Gaming.

https://imgur.com/a/kXMET

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I basically got the go ahead from my wife to spend around 350.  Is there anything you'd change?

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $349.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 12:43 EDT-0400

SLAMD-XT  Ryzen 2600X 4.125ghz 1.26v~Gigabyte B450 Aorus ELITE~16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz C15~Arcting Cooling Freezer 34 Esports Duo~Gigabyte Aorus RX 5700-XT~CIT chassis~120GB PNY SSD~WD BLUE 3D NAND 1TB SSD M.2~Phobya 120mm G.Silent's~SuperFlower Leadex III GOLD~Razer Basilisk~RedDragon Kumura

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43 minutes ago, tlmills82 said:

I basically got the go ahead from my wife to spend around 350.  Is there anything you'd change?

Just a general question, how is your fan layout in your chassis?

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1 hour ago, GreyestGoat said:

Just a general question, how is your fan layout in your chassis?

It's intake in front, exhaust out the back.  1 intake, 1 exhaust.

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1 hour ago, GreyestGoat said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $349.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-21 12:43 EDT-0400

why the full atx motherboard?  Is it worth the extra money? and losing the memory speed?

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