Dear LTT, please stop hating Apple

[Lord Vile]

1 hour ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Except that the iPhone came last..... In a blind poll where nobody could possible have known that it was the iPhone.....

Dear god, do you not hear yourself?

Show me the poll. It also depends on how the poll it judged.

[Lord Vile]

6 minutes ago, Twilight said:

why

 

that's not relevant. razer and apple are both companies that fuck up, but why is it always apple that's put in the spotlight. 

Razer is a horrendous company their products break more often than they last the warranty period. Started going downhill around the same time they stopped using cherry switches in 2014~.

[EL02]

@Lord VileI gotta agree with you in this one(FINALLY OMG). The iphone se is a great device for $400. If apple decided to give it an iphone xr type of display, then apple would have shot themselves in the foot. The only thing i "hate" apple on is setting the price standards. Just because apple released a $1000 phone, doesn't mean $400 is magically cheap now. What most people don't get is that they don't necessarily need an a13 chip. Maybe a 730g would do just fine...

[Tristerin]

I hated Apple products before I was an LTT fan.  In fact, before LTT there was Louis Rossmann who I watched because I could data mine and listen to his beautifully calm voice and learn about things Ill never do.  What Louis taught me was, that Apples way of doing business is nefarious.  

 

On a side note - I understand capitalism, but planned obsolescence through hardware designs, intentional software updates degrading performance, obvious flaws implemented with the ship of Denial traveling down the river coupled with the price tags to say "Look, I am affluent and own an Apple product" are some of the reasons I dislike apple.  

 

As for LTT hating apple?  Im pretty sure I can find videos of them praising them as well, LTT only cares who is paying the bills at the time.  If Apple came at them with a "package" to support their products...we would surely see their support following soon after. 

[3 Lions]

1 hour ago, Twilight said:

Razer laptops are very unreliable, as LTT showed. do you hear daily complaining about them on LTT?

Fair point but that is true of all unbiased reviewers. When they review a product that people claim to be 'bad', the reviewer tends to look for the good points. 

[Kilrah]

Part of the title of one of the latest LTT videos (not on Youtube yet) about headphones is literally "Why can't ANYONE compete with Apple??"

 

So yeah LTT always bash Apple and only ever have negative things to say about them...

[Letgomyleghoe]

I love my iPhone, my Apple Watch, my AirPods pros. they win in the mobile market imo, a 90hz or higher screen would be nice, but honestly I doubt I could tell the difference.

 

but I will never touch a fucking MacBook, Mac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro. They are a giant ripoff focused on targeting rich people that see the “pro” and think it’s the best of the best.

[Letgomyleghoe]

4 hours ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Except that the iPhone came last..... In a blind poll where nobody could possible have known that it was the iPhone.....

Against what phones?

haven’t seen this before

[Grant2488]

We'll stop hating Apple when Apple stops selling weak Dual-Core 1.1GHz i3 packed laptops for a whopping $1000; for a price like that you could have a Six-Core with double the RAM, double the SSD storage size, and an actual well-performing GPU. Apple strives on "providing a great experience for the user," but is that experience really worth it to the customer when other companies can create similar products for a fraction of the price? I personally think it's not, and that's why i'll always build PCs and purchase $70 Android phones, I don't want to pay substantially more for a slightly better experience. This opinion comes after having an iPhone 5 / iPod Touch for 4 years, and using MacBooks on multiple occasions for work purposes. If you have the money, by all means, spend it on an Apple product if it makes you happier, but Apple is prone to criticism regarding its business model and the way they sell their products to consumers, and they will always have criticisms regarding those things until they change.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

8 hours ago, Fetzie said:

The Pro wheels will have brakes on them, so your newly-mobile 10,000 dollar pride-and-joy doesn't one day decide that it wants to go walkies down the stairs.

You make an excellent point but the way you delivered it is hilarious! 

[GDRRiley]

9 hours ago, RejZoR said:

A13 a power hungry chip. Then what does that make Snapdragon 865+ ? A coal furnace? A13 really isn't power hungry. It's very powerful and all iPhones have dramatically smaller batteries. If your logic actually applied, then all iPhones wouldn't survive even half a day. So, yeah, your claim that A13 is somehow extraordinarily power hungry is just absurd.

they can match the older a12 at a lower power but using them fully means they end up using more
https://www.macworld.com/article/3442716/inside-apples-a13-bionic-system-on-chip.html

10 hours ago, Lord Vile said:

The A13 is more power efficient than the 11 in the iPhone 8 which lasts all day. I know it doesn’t make it good and I wouldn’t replace my MacBook with one but you can’t ask for proper mouse support and then moan that they did it. 
 

In 2 years the 3a won’t be supported so at least the iPhone will be  Camera in the SE is also amazing for the money, same as the main from the over $1000 11 Pro Max (and 11) which is arguably the best camera on the market between that and the Pixel 4. So to get that on a $400 phone is insane. 

maybe at launch but not 2 years in.

yes you can. My laptop has a finger print reader but I can complain it sucks and never reads my finger.

 

the 4a will be out in the fall. Apple does support for 4-5 years but they also don't refresh their budget line often. Google does it every 2 years and supports for at least 3. (the og pixel got 4 years)  my point was google can give a big battery, decent performance and a great camera in a 400$ budget, apples missing the battery.

[GDRRiley]

6 hours ago, Twilight said:

Razer laptops are very unreliable, as LTT showed. do you hear daily complaining about them on LTT? no. do you hear forum members complaining about it? no. 

LTT has been very public about how bad their laptops were. They've been very critical of them.

 

6 hours ago, Twilight said:

that's not relevant. razer and apple are both companies that fuck up, but why is it always apple that's put in the spotlight. 

razer is a very small maker of laptops and most people already hate them. apple is a bigger player than most the smaller companies so they are going to get the heat.

[DildorTheDecent]

On 4/18/2020 at 10:12 AM, 5x5 said:

Sending 50v to the CPU when in a humid room,

Wait, what?

 

As long as the magic smoke doesn't escape they're fine though.

[5x5]

Just now, DildorTheDecent said:

Wait, what?

 

As long as the magic smoke doesn't escape they're fine though.

It does, though. Rossmann talked about it multiple times. The display backlight pin is right next to the CPU data pin on the display flex cable. So even in a humid room, when a tiny bit of corrosion appears, they get bridged and 52v gets sent to the CPU directly, frying it on the spot.

[5x5]

6 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

LTT has been very public about how bad their laptops were. They've been very critical of them.

 

razer is a very small maker of laptops and most people already hate them. apple is a bigger player than most the smaller companies so they are going to get the heat.

I'm not sure what Twilight is on about btw - every thead asking about Razer has me, @genexis_x or someone else warning about the massive issues with Razer laptops.

[Kilrah]

Doing their fanboy stuff.

[Roswell]

7 hours ago, Lord Vile said:

Razer is a horrendous company their products break more often than they last the warranty period. Started going downhill around the same time they stopped using cherry switches in 2014~.

Razer has had serious quality issues dating back to their inception. Back around 2004 with the Diamondback, they started having widespread issues with micro switch failures. It's insane because you can simply Google "Razer double click" and see that the issue is still absolutely prolific to this day. They've been unable to remedy a simple design error with every mouse model going on 15 years now. No way in hell I'd ever trust the same company to build something like a laptop.

[Warin]

This all seems to boil down to "oh teh noes! Peepulz have opinons!!!!1!"

 

I will admit, I am an Apple fanboy.  However, I've been using Windows for like a year and a half now because I can't afford a new Mac.  It isn't terrible, but I am savvy enough to keep things running smoothly.  I just avoid ever, ever using a Mac.  Because then all of the little things about Windows  that drive me crazy are not as obvious! 

 

Sometimes Linus irks me with his Apple opinions.  But in the end, some of them are pretty valid.  And you know what? That's ok. I think his criticism of the new iPad Pro models is off base.  But he isn't attacking me for thinking that he is wrong.  I will never understand why some people get so wound up that not everyone agrees with them.

[The Flying Sloth]

5 hours ago, scuff gang said:

Against what phones?

haven’t seen this before

MKBHD 2019 camera blind test poll thing, that specific reply might not be exactly the most truthful, the iPhone went out in the first round, can't remember if it was really the first out. It lost to last year's OnePlus but there were a tonne of phones in the roundup.

 

And yes, I know people tended to pick winners based on specific attributes but since the other guy refused to talk about DXOMARK I thought maybe he might be more interested in talking about the major direct comparison that happened.

[genexis_x]

5 hours ago, 5x5 said:

I'm not sure what Twilight is on about btw - every thead asking about Razer has me, @genexis_x or someone else warning about the massive issues with Razer laptops.

Even until now there's a high probability that a Razer laptop will have issues after using for a few months

[3 Lions]

7 hours ago, genexis_x said:

Even until now there's a high probability that a Razer laptop will have issues after using for a few months

But on the flip side I bet there are people happy with Razer products who have had no issues, they're happy with using an underdog brand. To be honest I don't think you're helping the situation, unbiased reviewers like Linus have to look at what is bias negativity and what is genuine negativity. As I said to Twilight, the reviewer tends to look for the good points in a product that is supposed to be bad. 

 

The same sort of method applies to products that are supposed to be good. Are people saying it's good because that's their brand preference so say it's good just for the sake of it or is it genuinely a good product? Most of the time, it's bias praise. 

 

Do you understand where I'm coming from? 

Edited April 20, 2020 by LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo

[genexis_x]

39 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

But on the flip side I bet there are people happy with Razer products who have had no issues, they're happy with using an underdog brand

I think the situation is same for all brands. Bigger brands will also have QC issues.

39 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

To be honest I don't think you're helping the situation, unbiased reviewers like Linus have to look at what is bias negativity and what is genuine negativity. As I said to Twilight, the reviewer tends to look for the good points in a product that is supposed to be bad. 

 

The same sort of method applies to products that are supposed to be good. Are people saying it's good because that's their brand preference so say it's good just for the sake of it or is it genuinely a good product? Most of the time, it's bias praise. 

I don't think Razer laptops are bad actually, it's just that their QC and questionable aftersales turned many people away. Some of my comments on their products:

Blade 15: decent cooling for a thin and light laptop, excellent exterior build

Blade 13: one of the best cooling in 13 inch Ultrabook, with 25W MX250

 

I can show you a few evidence about complaints (QC related) from users themselves (including some laptop enthusiasts), but I don't think it's worth everyone's time. Many laptop reviewers, including myself, couldn't review things like QC since we don't own the laptop for months, or even years. It's something buyers have to take note of from the feedback of current users.

 

Again, no brand is 'good' - every brand has bad and good models. Even the good models themselves have their own cons, no laptop is perfect. I believe Razer QC on laptops has improved over time (before that it's horrendous), but still below average compared to all brands. If the laptop is backed with decent warranty (eg MS Store), then it's worth considering. But how many buyers will buy from MS Store? Consumer from certain countries can't even purchase from there. Even with decent warranty service, what if the unit is lemon and having non-stop issues? I don't think everyone will be happy returning the laptop for service frequently (let's just say every month).

 

Conclusion: The choice is yours, and others' advice might not be the best. In the end you'll be the one using the laptop. If you got a good unit without issues after years of using, congratulations.

[AndreiArgeanu]

I couldn't bother to read the whole thing but judging by the replies and a part of the OP's post, it seems to be a case of fanboyism. Like seriously, if you don't like and don't agree with what you see just go to some other channel that doesn't point out flaws and short comings in Apple's devices. LTT as far as I know is very critical when reviewing expensive hardware like multi thousand dollar laptops or over thousand dollar phones because for such prices you should expect no less than the best and it applies to everyone, Dell, Apple, Samsung. On cheaper products I found LTT to be less critical overall because obviously in cheaper products for example a 400$ laptop you should expect shortcomings like worse build quality, or lower performance compared to devices 5 times the cost so while they do point those short comings out they are less critical about it.

[5x5]

1 hour ago, genexis_x said:

I think the situation is same for all brands. Bigger brands will also have QC issues.

I don't think Razer laptops are bad actually, it's just that their QC and questionable aftersales turned many people away. Some of my comments on their products:

Blade 15: decent cooling for a thin and light laptop, excellent exterior build

Blade 13: one of the best cooling in 13 inch Ultrabook, with 25W MX250

 

I can show you a few evidence about complaints (QC related) from users themselves (including some laptop enthusiasts), but I don't think it's worth everyone's time. Many laptop reviewers, including myself, couldn't review things like QC since we don't own the laptop for months, or even years. It's something buyers have to take note of from the feedback of current users.

 

Again, no brand is 'good' - every brand has bad and good models. Even the good models themselves have their own cons, no laptop is perfect. I believe Razer QC on laptops has improved over time (before that it's horrendous), but still below average compared to all brands. If the laptop is backed with decent warranty (eg MS Store), then it's worth considering. But how many buyers will buy from MS Store? Consumer from certain countries can't even purchase from there. Even with decent warranty service, what if the unit is lemon and having non-stop issues? I don't think everyone will be happy returning the laptop for service frequently (let's just say every month).

 

Conclusion: The choice is yours, and others' advice might not be the best. In the end you'll be the one using the laptop. If you got a good unit without issues after years of using, congratulations.

Razer still have horrid design aspects, though. Exposed display cables in front of the vents, problematic trackpads with absurdly high failure rate, overloaded power delivery that tends to fail, and shit QC on displays. I swear, their displays probably come from the Chinese flee market.

 

As for the 13, that's a whole different can of worms. I'll just say, it's one of the worst PCBs I've ever seen and belongs in a 200$ Chromebook not a 1600$ laptop. I mean they fixed the cooling, yeah, but holy hell that horrid motherboard with super cheap components and absolutely no tolerance buil in. Just yikes

[3 Lions]

13 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Razer still have horrid design aspects, though. Exposed display cables in front of the vents, problematic trackpads with absurdly high failure rate, overloaded power delivery that tends to fail, and shit QC on displays. I swear, their displays probably come from the Chinese flee market.

 

As for the 13, that's a whole different can of worms. I'll just say, it's one of the worst PCBs I've ever seen and belongs in a 200$ Chromebook not a 1600$ laptop. I mean they fixed the cooling, yeah, but holy hell that horrid motherboard with super cheap components and absolutely no tolerance buil in. Just yikes

Yes but even LMG has been critical of them in the past for such flaws. It's fair either way...