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Dear LTT, please stop hating Apple

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Dear LTT, 

 

As the title says, please stop the Apple hate. 

 

This will go down a couple of years down the memory lane - and of course, everything I say here is just my personal opinion, which is subject to change if given the right arguments. 

 

I've been a tech fan for as long as I know. That's how I found LTT channel, and I fell in love at first sight.
Sometimes I would literally binge watch old videos ( published before I found it ) for hours.  

I consider myself an old subscriber given that the sub count at the time was roughly around 1-2M. Now, why is this important? 

 

Well, I've been a loyal follower ever since, and if I noticed and loved something - it's that Linus, and his staff, were often brutally honest and most of all fair when doing a review.

 

I've probably been the biggest Apple hater in the world until recently. And I really mean that. Sometimes I would binge watch Louis Rossman's videos, "I hate Apple" videos, and such, just to fuel my hate and anger towards them and how they're overpriced, underpowered, etc... You know what those things are. 

And that all started right here, at the LTT channel ( being the only one I watched in the beginning ). Now, admittedly, my personality kind of attributed to this, and over the years the hatred grew, being fueled by other videos aside from LTT. 

One day, I decided to stop being the hater. I realised what I was doing and I needed a change. Somehow, conveniently, around that time, I stumbled upon the "It's time to stop hating Apple" video by Apple Explained - and let me tell you - I was very hesitant to watch it. My mind went something like this - "How on earth does someone make a video like this - it's impossible". I didn't want to watch it, but I did. 
I opened my mind, watched the video, and I was left speechless. I felt ashamed for who I was. Oh yeah, did I mention that I actually never owned, or even held a newer iPhone ( at the time ) or any other Apple product? Yup. I hated products I never used. 

Then, I started wondering about the things I prefer in tech - and I only looked at my behaviour, not the "facts" I would yell soo often.

Example: I would bash Apple for not being able to see my wallpaper and arrange my icons the way I want it ( lack of customisation ). Then I realised that I literally don't move an app off my home screen(s) when it's installed, I would just leave them all there. Also, that I wouldn't ever change or look at my wallpaper. 

The second example - "snappiness" and the fluid feeling of a device. Now, it's true that I never really owned a flagship, but I would often have the phone right below it ( usually Samsung's like A5, later A9 ). And while they were snappy, every so often they would just stutter, and it drove me crazy ( I know, it's not a big deal for many people, but it was for me ). 

And one more thing.. Longevity - let's just say that 2 years were too old for a non flagship to a tech geek.

 

This is when I realised that my entire tech "opinion" was based on LTT videos ( and alike ), but my tech habits and preferences were vastly different. 

 

The Apple hate was gone at this point, and I started wondering - maybe Apple devices are the right devices for me ( not everyone ).

At this time I was rocking a Windows / Linux dual boot laptop - and boy did it suck. I am a developer, by the way, and because of that, what I needed was a Unix based OS, but also programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, etc... Point being, dual boot was my only option ( or so I thought ). 

 

One day, being one of a Startup founders, I had a meeting. I was supposed to video call my friend ( the second founder ) so that he could join us, because he couldn't make it in person. 
Long story short, my mic and my camera were malfunctioning, he wasn't able to join, and I kind of got embarrassed in front of those people. 

Also, one of them had a MacBook, and I fell in love with the design as soon as I saw it. 

 

This is when I realised that the MacOS is probably the OS for me, solving my needs for apps, but most of all a very new found need - reliability.  

I bought a maxed out 2012 15" Non-retina MacBook Pro, and man... I was stunned. I still am stunned how good this machine is. How awesome MacOS is. 

The trackpad and the spotlight alone are enough of a reason to never look back again. I will not mention build quality. The standby battery optimisation. The Apple Ecosystem integration. 

The list can go on forever. I'm simply in love with this machine. 

 

Slowly but surely, I went from an Apple hater to an Apple sheep. I replaced my phone with an iPhone, and started watching Apple videos, and started defending Apple from people like I was myself. 

Now, I remember what I was like, and I still think Apple does some things "bad" ( not bad, but just in the way that we don't prefer or understand it ). But, every tech company does!

 

Okay, sorry, I might've made this a bit too long. But I had to mention all of this, since I'm kind of expecting a flood of people just jumping on me how I'm an Apple sheep, someone who doesn't care about tech, someone stupid, etc... I really needed to clarify where I'm coming from. 

 

It's time to come back to LTT videos. 

It was at this point, when it all changed, and when I got A LOT more familiar with Apple as a company, and their products, that I realised what LTT wasn't actually that fair and honest when doing a review - at least when it comes to Apple products. 

 

Let me explain on a perfect example - 2018 iPad Pro. 

 

I felt like that video carried a message - "Do not buy the iPad Pro. It's stupid, pointless, overpriced. Its lack of mouse support is a terrible thing and Apple is just soo funny for even making it."

Now step back: That's a message about the best tablet in the world. Period. Nothing even comes remotely close to it, and anyone saying otherwise is just spiteful or wrong.  

What happens next? Apple releases the iPadOS, adds ( a not really serious ) mouse support - Boom! 

You've probably watched that video, and how LTT bashed on Apple, again, and if not, it's basically a couple of minutes saying - "Well it's nice that they added this, so now it's a little less pointless, BUT OMG LOOK AT THAT MOUSE SUPPORT ITS SOO BAD". 

I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

 

And the most recent event, and the reason why I even decided to write all of this, being the iPad Pro 2020 release. 

It's a very minor refresh, true. But again, there are a couple of minutes devoted only to the ( still kind of meh ) mouse support. 

 

So, LTT, let me answer a couple of questions you asked. You actually explicitly asked - Who needs this? Please write us down.

 

Business owners, students, artists, gamers ( yes, mobile gaming is a thing regardless of the fact that it's laughable compared to PC ), designers, etc... 

And the iPad is designed to be used primarly with touch input - even though you somehow forget to mention just how smooth and easy ( and FUN ) it is to navigate with all the gestures, snappiness, etc... 

And I don't see in any videos how you're complaining about the sorry excuse of a touch input in Windows laptops.  

 

This is the one of the proofs of your unfairness towards Apple. And it's totally okay to be biased - everyone is. 

But it's unfair to not mention the awesome things about Apple products, and point out and rant about the bad ones and make it seem like they're garbage. 

 

Lastly, I just want to add one small thing - the Apple products may not have the best specs, but they have something I have never felt ( to this extent ) in any other device - the fluid experience of using an ecosystem of devices that work SOO WELL with each other.

Also, just how natural and intuitive the MacOS feels is still stunning for me to this day. 

 

So, here we are at the end. I'm not trying to tell you how you should think, or run your channel. It's your opinion, and it's your right to do whatever you want and feel like. 

But as someone who defended you through the "stupid" faces, "Corporate douche", or "Funny little guy", and personally looks up to you and highly values your opinions, I am asking you to stop the Apple hate trend. It's unfair, and I'm starting to feel like it's ruining for me the other ( non-Apple ) videos you make.  

 

Do as you will.  

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4 minutes ago, zicru said:

That's a message about the best tablet in the world. Period. Nothing even comes remotely close to it, and anyone saying otherwise is just spiteful or wrong.  

Subjective. You trying to claim it being the best tablet in the world as a fact is wrong.

 

5 minutes ago, zicru said:

But it's unfair to not mention the awesome things about Apple products, and point out and rant about the bad ones and make it seem like they're garbage.

I disagree. Most of the time, various devices' shortcomings and issues are far more important than what they do well and as such it is generally a good thing to pay more attention to the shortcomings and issues. Also, in general, I find LTT's videos on Apple's devices to be perfectly fair.


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It's their opinion. I'm still going to hate apple. You may not hate apple anymore but you can't start telling other people to love apple because you love them now.

 

About customisation, I have a standard layout on my Android device that simply cannot be done on any iOS device. Full stop.

 

Their devices are overpriced. At this point it's all about social status and whether you own an iDevice or not. I can do miles more on my Android device than you can on your iPhone.

 

They lock down their products (T2 chip.) and while their products might look nice, they're impractical. They break easier (new iphone made of glass. You drop it and you're screwed.), the whole USB fiasco on the MacBook, you need a ton of dongles to get work done. My HP laptop has so many more ports than the later model MacBooks. The 3.5mil jack removal. They focus way too much on making their devices light, thinner and looking better. Every time they try to focus on this they get less practical. Think of it like a sports car. They look nice, but are they really practical?

 

Adding onto the Louis Rossmann thing, he's explained that Apple constantly slows down their older devices just so you'll buy a new one. They make things purposely break.

 

And the new Mac Pro. It costs FAR too much. You could build a similarly performing system (or Hackintosh if you really need that) for a lot less.

 

Since Tim Cook's been running the place, Apple's gotten significantly worse.

 

There's so many more problems with Apple I haven't mentioned here.

 

This is your opinion, I understand you want to express that (and that's fine) but don't try to tell other people to change theirs because you did


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17 minutes ago, zicru said:

And the iPad is designed to be used primarly with touch input - even though you somehow forget to mention just how smooth and easy ( and FUN ) it is to navigate with all the gestures, snappiness, etc... 

the video was more about what makes this new ipad pro different to the last ipad pro. and the answer is: not much. an ios devie is an ios device, there's only so many things you can say about a tiny incremental update that isn't just being rehashed from previous videos

 

20 minutes ago, zicru said:

But it's unfair to not mention the awesome things about Apple products, and point out and rant about the bad ones and make it seem like they're garbage. 

why? this video is about the new ipad pro. therefore they should only talk about the new ipad pro and how it compares to last years model. why would they need to bring up any other products?

 

21 minutes ago, zicru said:

And I don't see in any videos how you're complaining about the sorry excuse of a touch input in Windows laptops.  

touch on windows is fine. it's not designed to be a tablet like iOS/iPadOS is, you cannot compare the two. Touch on windows is a nice to have, i use it a LOT, but very rarely is it the focus of the product. i went to Apple's website and clicked on the new iPad Pro. The literal first paragraph:

 

Your next computer is not a computer.

It’s a magical piece of glass.
It’s so fast most PC laptops can’t catch up.
It has pro cameras that can transform reality.
And you can use it with touch, pencil, keyboard and now trackpad.
It’s the new iPad Pro.

 

They are pushing this as being the next big feature and what sets it apart from the previous version.

 

 

There is very very little reason to buy the 2020 iPad pro, which is exactly what the video is saying, the video is titled "Apple screwed this up..." which is 100% accurate. the iPad Pro is supposed to be the best of the best, but when they throw in completely unnecessary features with half assed implementation, then it takes away from what is good about Apple. They are slowly becoming more and more like any other manufacturer. Apple WAS the pinnacle of quality and simplicity, Not so true anymore. 

 

And not to pick apart your post but:

26 minutes ago, zicru said:

I'm not trying to tell you how you should think, or run your channel.

26 minutes ago, zicru said:

I am asking you to stop the Apple hate trend

26 minutes ago, zicru said:

Do as you will.  

 

Sure is a lot of contradiction at the end there


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I've worked on a few mac mostly order pre 2015 macbook pros and those are fine, skipping the weird 2013 mac that was upgradeable but never got any new gpus. mac pro line is fine to good. Other than they have hiked the price, chosen bad value parts and have said screw you to anyone who doesn't have 10k to drop on a machine.

iMacs look nice but need work on making them easy to get into to clean. they have usually a pretty good value considering the screen until you want to upgrade and use that same screen.

Mac mini, 2018 refresh is a good update but a version with a GPU is needed to fill a spot that the 2-3k mac pro used to be in.

 

overall issues with 99% of post 2015 macs. No ports, fixed ram, SSD, impossible to get parts.

new macbooks suck. they have charging issues, no real ports, bad cooling, ect.

The new iphones are fast sure but 1500$ for a phone is crazy. I'd take a 500$ phone and a 1k camera any day.

 

 

if apple went back to 2015 skip the mac pro taking 7 years they'd be a good company but they've gone down the drain.

quick note I daily a 6s and then a 5s before. My gf uses a 2013 15 and used to use a 2015 13. I used 2010 mac pros in school for 3 years and did major work on them.


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8 minutes ago, Arika S said:

keyboard and now trackpad.

Hilarious, since Android has had this since like what? Literally the start of Android.


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I have never used an Apple-device, I can't comment on how they feel like to use or anything like that. For me, personally, their application-policies are the thing that prevents me from buying any of their devices, like e.g. I wouldn't be able to use the real Firefox on the iPads or iPhones. No, the only Firefox you can use is the bastardized thing where Apple forces them to use Apple's web-engine instead of Firefox's own, for example. Also, Apple just won't allow some perfectly legit apps on their app-store, like e.g. Geforce Now.

 

It should be my decision what apps I want to use or not to use and I am not willing to compromise on my ability to use e.g. Firefox, since I use it on every other device I own.


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4 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I have never used an Apple-device, I can't comment on how they feel like to use or anything like that. For me, personally, their application-policies are the thing that prevents me from buying any of their devices, like e.g. I wouldn't be able to use real Firefox on the iPads or iPhones. No, the only Firefox you can use it the bastardized thing where Apple forces them to use Apple's web-engine instead of Firefox's own, for example. Also, Apple just won't allow some perfectly legit apps on their app-store, like e.g. Geforce Now.

 

It should be my decision what apps I want to use or not to use and I am not willing to compromise on my ability to use e.g. Firefox, since I use it on every other device I own.

I've used an iPad 3rd gen Retina, iPad 2017 and iPad 2019. I've also used some LG and Huawei tablets. I can't really notice much of a difference. I mean sure, the Retina display is faster but I watch YouTube and read email on both, one just Costa five times more

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12 minutes ago, zicru said:

Now, admittedly, my personality kind of attributed to this, and over the years the hatred grew, being fueled by other videos aside from LTT. 

One day, I decided to stop being the hater. I realised what I was doing and I needed a change.

So your hatred was your hobby and you realized it's bad and decided to change it,but that doesn't change the facts.

18 minutes ago, zicru said:

Now, it's true that I never really owned a flagship, but I would often have the phone right below it ( usually Samsung's like A5, later A9 ). And while they were snappy, every so often they would just stutter, and it drove me crazy ( I know, it's not a big deal for many people, but it was for me ). 

When you have a lot of apps that run in the background things like that happen...

A lot of Android apps tend to stay open in the background,even when not needed - That's how Whatsapp let you get calls

It's possible to change settings of background apps - for example you can set it to no background apps at all.

27 minutes ago, zicru said:

Long story short, my mic and my camera were malfunctioning

Can happen with any device,if the mic and camera both malfunctioned at the same time - it's probably a software wise problem and not hardware.

 

33 minutes ago, zicru said:

This is when I realised that the MacOS is probably the OS for me

Solution = Hackintosh

34 minutes ago, zicru said:

but most of all a very new found need - reliability.

???

I know Windows 10 is not reliable,Just because it's popular You don't have to use it.

I use Windows Server 2019 and Windows 7 in dual boot and they are extremely reliable.

And if you talk hardware reliability - Apple has a really bad track record: The butterfly keyboards,failing GPUs,corrupt T2 chip firmware and more.

As for PCs hardware reliability - It depends on the specific model and vendor.

39 minutes ago, zicru said:

Slowly but surely, I went from an Apple hater to an Apple sheep.

Being a fan-boy is not good,buy what's best for you,

I used to buy only AMD GPU in the past decade - Until the driver shenanigans went out of control,then i went NVIDIA and ever since i don't have problems.

But what do you do if Apple won't let you fix your own device?,Will you let them control your device?,

After all Apple dictate what apps you can and can't install from the app store,Will you let this happen or say good buy and buy from the competetion?

How much abuse will it take for you to stop being a fan boy?


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28 minutes ago, Arika S said:

It’s so fast most PC laptops can’t catch up.

Even the dual-core $1000 Macbook Air can't touch it 🤣

But my 7 years old quad core laptop can sweeps the floor with it,It is an upgradeable CPU that i can easily change :)


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I think OP is confusing hate with criticizing.

 

One is emotional, the other is rational.

 

There's also preference, and use cases to think about.


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6 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I think OP is confusing hate with criticizing.

uhh no. there is a very real pattern. for example, whenever they mention thermals they mention MacBooks, but ZenBooks are just as bad if you put an i9 in them. as are most other laptops that aren't thicc gaming laptops. 

 

7 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

There's also preference, and use cases to think about.

when you are a reviewer you can't factor preference into things. that's not how it works. 


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1 minute ago, Twilight said:

when you are a reviewer you can't factor preference into things

I would argue you can never really be totally objective 

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27 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I think OP is confusing hate with criticizing.

 

One is emotional, the other is rational.

 

There's also preference, and use cases to think about.

Yep. Linus and those at LTT do have fair points. 


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Just my two cents.

 

I'm not an Apple user, but my parents are. So, they want a bigger SSD than they have now on their macbook air or whatever. That really should be something super simple, but their SSDs are proprietary for no reason (aside from making the devices harder to upgrade without paying apple), so it's 5x more annoying and expensive to do the upgrade. My dad wanted memory foam tips for his airpods pro, but surprise surprise, they use this weird fitting mechanism so I can't use the KZ memory foam tips I use on pretty much all of my IEMs. So I had to buy separate special made tips, which are considerably more expensive, and are useless for anything aside from use with the airpod pros.

 

Apple products have directly made my life harder and more annoying (in a very minor way, but I'm exaggerating for effect), which is why I dislike them. This is most likely a permanent thing.

 

But, I do realise that these products have merits. They're simple to use, are aesthetically designed well, and the software is quite reliable (the hardware is not). But these products are advertised and priced as premium products, they're some of the most expensive in their respective categories, so it's to be expected that they do well. They're priced the way they are, so it's not an achievement that they're good, it's just an expected thing. So when Apple gets something wrong, which they do a lot, they get a lot of flak for it. And they should, if they can't take the heat and design a high-class product, they shouldn't be charging high class prices. So I generally think it's fair that Apple products are reviewed with more scrutiny than other products.

 


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7 minutes ago, ibabyslapper said:

Just my two cents.

 

I'm not an Apple user, but my parents are. So, they want a bigger SSD than they have now on their macbook air or whatever. That really should be something super simple, but their SSDs are proprietary for no reason (aside from making the devices harder to upgrade without paying apple), so it's 5x more annoying and expensive to do the upgrade. My dad wanted memory foam tips for his airpods pro, but surprise surprise, they use this weird fitting mechanism so I can't use the KZ memory foam tips I use on pretty much all of my IEMs. So I had to buy separate special made tips, which are considerably more expensive, and are useless for anything aside from use with the airpod pros.

 

 

 

Apple products have directly made my life harder and more annoying (in a very minor way, but I'm exaggerating for effect), which is why I dislike them. This is most likely a permanent thing.

 

 

 

But, I do realise that these products have merits. They're simple to use, are aesthetically designed well, and the software is quite reliable (the hardware is not). But these products are advertised and priced as premium products, they're some of the most expensive in their respective categories, so it's to be expected that they do well. They're priced the way they are, so it's not an achievement that they're good, it's just an expected thing. So when Apple gets something wrong, which they do a lot, they get a lot of flak for it. And they should, if they can't take the heat and design a high-class product, they shouldn't be charging high class prices. So I generally think it's fair that Apple products are reviewed with more scrutiny than other products.

 

 

 

What macs dot hey have? Because they have these things you can slap an NVME ssd into those systems:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=macbook+pro+ssd+adapter
 

Works on MBAs 2013-2017 and MBP 2013-2015. 


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1 minute ago, Pickles - Lord of the Jar said:

What macs dot hey have? Because they have these things you can slap an NVME ssd into those systems:

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=macbook+pro+ssd+adapter
 

Works on MBAs 2013-2017 and MBP 2013-2015. 

It was a Macbook Air, but this is a story from a few years ago it's already been done.


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Just now, ibabyslapper said:

It was a Macbook Air, but this is a story from a few years ago it's already been done.

Ah okay. I just recently found those adapters. Anything past that I want to slap Apple so hard in the head. Especially with the 2016+ MBPs. The newer systems are basically unfixable. It sucks. 


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1 hour ago, Twilight said:

when you are a reviewer you can't factor preference into things. that's not how it works. 

Reviews contain facts and opinions, it's not their problem if you can't differentiate between the two.

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uhh no. there is a very real pattern. for example, whenever they mention thermals they mention MacBooks, but ZenBooks are just as bad if you put an i9 in them. as are most other laptops that aren't thicc gaming laptops. 

 

So LTT shouldn't criticize Apple about thermals because there are other manufacturer's making the same mistake ??? Seems like an emotional response, not a logical one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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???? This is called LinusTechTips, not UnbiasedTechTips, he said many times, his reviews are his OPINION, and so, he has bias and preferences that will flavor his reviews. But that doesn't mean his, or anyone complaints are unfounded. There's a difference between a complete biased opinion that obviously omitted things, vs an opinion and complaint that's articulated.

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Being my age, and knowing the history to present of the company, there's really nothing to dislike. 

Just like any company, they have good and bad products and people have choices. One of the number one issues in the human matrix thoughts of society. Free choices. With that comes opinion. 

Opinion and emotion drives people's choices. 

 

Well, I remember Apple always being on the leading edge of technology. It doesn't matter to me that today, it's in your pocket, where yesterday, it was monochrome and bulky. 

 

Some people hate Windows and prefer Linux. Some people like Ford and Hate Dodge.

 

Just as long as the opinions stay respectful, and the acknowledgment remains the company has done amazing things in the last 45  years or so being founded in 1976. Look at the innovation that's out there now. Crazy to think how far they've come along now. 

 

Can you believe that? My first flight simulator was done on an old apple with a monochrome screen lol....... 

 

I just don't like their software products, but carry respect for the implementation with the hardware though.   


 

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I worked for Apple and even I hate Apple and can say the hate is welcome.  Come on just go watch a Louis Rossmann video once or twice, or all of them.  He's not wrong at all.


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4 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

???? This is called LinusTechTips, not UnbiasedTechTips, he said many times, his reviews are his OPINION (and so, he has bias and preferences).

This. 100%.

Look for echo chamber style channels if you want to hear unending praise towards Apple.

2 minutes ago, Hakemon said:

I worked for Apple and even I hate Apple and can say the hate is welcome.  Come on just go watch a Louis Rossmann video once or twice, or all of them.  He's not wrong at all.

Some people don't believe Louis because "I never had issues, so he's lying, wrong, etc."

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